History HoYay / Redwall

* Surely, there was a way for Skipper of Otters to deal with Globby that ''didn't'' involve [[SpankTheCutie spanking him with an oven paddle]]?

* A good majority of the interactions of the heroic duos, ThoseTwoGuys, and ThoseTwoBadGuys end up being described with some oddly chosen words. ''Hopefully'', Brian Jacques chose them unintentionally, but while the constant use of the word "mate" to describe a same-gender friend might be explainable, some uses clearly specifically meant mates in a rather sexual manner. Calling platonic friends "mate" is a very British thing, and non-Brits reading Redwall are often, justifiably, confused by it.

* The FreudWasRight page discusses the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything blatant penis analogy]] with the Sword (even more so than most {{BFS}}s), and points out that this brings a whole new and [[{{Squick}} frankly terrifying]] dimension to [[FoeYay Cluny's recurring nightmare about being stabbed with it]].

* A good majority of the interactions of the heroic duos, ThoseTwoGuys, and ThoseTwoBadGuys end up being described with some oddly chosen words. ''Hopefully'', Brian Jacques chose them unintentionally, but while the constant use of the word "mate" to describe a same-gender friend might be explainable, some uses clearly specifically meant mates in a rather sexual manner. Oddly, Ublaz, who borders on being a VillainousCrossdresser, is less HoYay than self-yay -- even his interactions with Rasconza lack much in the way of subtext, but [[ADateWithRosiePalms you pity whoever was stuck cleaning Ublaz's mirror after the Villain Rant]]. The AccidentalInnuendo isn't limited to this; an entire book is called ''The Sable Quean'', which is a real word, but outside of Scotland tends to mean woman of ill repute. (Vilaya does kind of have a dominatrix thing going, insofar as you can when the book's meant for eight-year-olds ...) A particularly fun quote regarding one pair of ThoseTwoGuys:

* Surely there was a way for Skipper of Otters to deal with Globby that ''didn't'' involve [[SpankTheCutie spanking him with an oven paddle]]?

* A good majority of the interactions of the heroic duos, ThoseTwoGuys, and ThoseTwoBadGuys end up being described with some oddly chosen words. ''Hopefully'' Brian Jacques chose them unintentionally, but while the constant use of the word "mate" to describe a same-gender friend might be explainable, some uses clearly specifically meant mates in a rather sexual manner. Oddly, Ublaz, who borders on being a VillainousCrossdresser, is less HoYay than self-yay -- even his interactions with Rasconza lack much in the way of subtext, but [[ADateWithRosiePalms you pity whoever was stuck cleaning Ublaz's mirror after the Villain Rant]]. The AccidentalInnuendo isn't limited to this; an entire book is called ''The Sable Quean'', which is a real word, but outside of Scotland tends to mean woman of ill repute. (Vilaya does kind of have a dominatrix thing going, insofar as you can when the book's meant for eight-year-olds ...) A particularly fun quote regarding one pair of ThoseTwoGuys:

* In ''The Bellmaker'', Rufe Brush has moments of this with Fatch and Durry equally. His personality also goes from "strong and silent" in an earlier book to timid, cautious, dependent, and generally very {{uke}}.

* A good majority of the interactions of the heroic duos, ThoseTwoGuys, and ThoseTwoBadGuys end up being described with some oddly chosen words. ''Hopefully'' Brian Jacques chose them unintentionally, but while the constant use of the word "mate" to describe a same-gender friend might be explainable, some uses clearly specifically meant mates in a rather sexual manner. Oddly, Ublaz, who borders on being a VillainousCrossdresser, is less HoYay than self-yay -- even his interactions with Rasconza lack much in the way of subtext, but [[ADateWithRosiePalms you pity whoever was stuck cleaning Ublaz's mirror after the Villain Rant]]. The AccidentalInnuendo isn't limited to this; an entire book is called ''The Sable Quean'', which is a real word, but outside of Scotland tends to mean woman of ill repute. (Vilaya does kind of have a dominatrix thing going, insofar as you can when the book's meant for eight-year-olds ...) A particularly fun quote regarding one pair of ThoseTwoGuys:
--> ''"This is the way ter do it mucker," Dingeye breathed excitedly. "Now lerrit go straight. It should go across the 'all, over the passage an' up the stairs."''
** [[InnocentInnuendo For those unfamiliar, they're actually talking about indoor archery.]] This troper, in her teens, had a RunningGag with fellow MinionShipping fandom friends that [[spoiler:Brother Hal]] really died because he overheard that line and the [[NoYay disturbing mental images]] gave him a heart attack before the arrow actually hit him. The pair in question also "clung to each other in panic" after being forcibly stripped and about to be [[ThePigpen given a bath]].
* Badrang and Clogg and Gabool and Graypatch have been described as having "bitter exes" vibes.
* Blaggut's behaviour towards Slipp is faintly reminiscent of [[TheSimpsons Smithers and Burns]], and Blaggut's MookFaceTurn speech reads a tad like a bad breakup.
* In ''The Bellmaker'', Rufe Brush has moments of this with Fatch and Durry equally. His personality also goes from "strong and silent" in an earlier book to timid, cautious, dependent, and generally very {{uke}}.
* Brome and Wulpp. They've known each other for what, ten minutes, and Brome's rocking Wulpp to sleep? [[{{Shotacon}} Brome's about ten at the time]], but it doesn't seem like Wulpp notices this, given that he's also [[PaperThinDisguise completely oblivious to the fact that Brome a.k.a. "Bucktail" is not a rat.]] ("Bucktail" is [[AccidentalInnuendo kind of a suggestive name]], on top of everything else ...)
* Clogg, apart from the "bitter ex" vibe he seems to have with Badrang, definitely seems to have something going on with Ballaw, who appears to be intentionally flirting with him. "D'you 'ear wot he called me? Sweet Cloggo. Ain't that 'andsome!" In the cartoon show, the searats give each other [[AsideGlance and the camera]] some very squicked looks when he says this. GettingCrapPastTheRadar?
* ''Outcast of {{Redwall}}'' features Sunflash the badger and Skarlath the hawk, who save each other's lives and go wandering together for several years. After [[spoiler:Skarlath is shot and killed]] at the end of the book, Sunflash writes a sappy poem to Skarlath, including the line "O Skarlath, there was never one like you". Meanwhile, Sunflash's two otter friends Ruddle and Folrig live out in the middle of nowhere all by themselves, alternate between jokingly insulting each other and calling the other handsome, and take every opportunity to leap on each other and start wrestling/hugging. Also, they use [[HelloSailor a lot of nautical terms]].
* The FreudWasRight page discusses the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything blatant penis analogy]] with the Sword (even more so than most {{BFS}}s), and points out that this brings a whole new and [[{{Squick}} frankly terrifying]] dimension to [[FoeYay Cluny's recurring nightmare about being stabbed with it]].
* Captain Snow and Squire Julian could ''possibly'' have got away with this if not for their species. Even when this troper was a kid, she looked at them and [[http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/pussy.html wondered if they have a beautiful pea-green boat]]. Since it's hard to believe Mr Jacques had never even heard of that poem, it really makes one wonder if he meant it.
* Craklyn and Piknim have a bit of a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship vibe, particularly [[spoiler:when Craklyn sings a lament over Piknim's grave, during which she actually calls her "my beloved"]]. Also earlier on, when they sing alternate verses of a light-hearted love ballad at one another.
* Mokug the hamster was, in his youth, kept as a personal slave by King Sarengo because the king "liked [his] golden fur". {{Squick}}.
* Rinkul's announcement that he intends to recapture Tammo and Midge and "take 'em somewheres nice'n'quiet where I'll [[RapeAsDrama do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" left this troper, at the age of fourteen, re-reading the whole page about four times to be sure it really had said what she thought it said, and then giggling uncontrollably. ([[DanAndMabsFurryAdventures Death by Shonen-Ai!]])
* In the scene where Tam and Doogy are imprisoned and taken out of their cell to see the King and Queen, there's a detailed description of them putting their kilts back on, so apparently they were sitting around naked. Well, they were in a cell, all by themselves, there wasn't much else to do ...
* Surely there was a way for Skipper of Otters to deal with Globby that ''didn't'' involve [[SpankTheCutie spanking him with an oven paddle]]?
* According to one source on a forum, in the Russian version of ''The Taggerung'', the translation made Eefera a girl, leading at least one Russian fan to believe (s)he and Vallug were a couple.
* Does CargoShipping come under the heading of HoYay? Because Gabool completely ignores the "pretty mousemaid" Mariel in favour of pulling the IHaveYouNowMyPretty routine on the bell.
* Vurg and Beau in ''Legend of Luke'' grow very close in the latter half of their story, and occasionally act like an old married couple.

* Clogg, apart from the "bitter ex" vibe he seems to have with Badrang, definitely has something deeply disturbing going on with Ballaw, who appears to be intentionally flirting with him. "D'you 'ear wot he called me? Sweet Cloggo. Ain't that 'andsome!" In the cartoon show, the searats give each other [[AsideGlance and the camera]] some very squicked looks when he says this. GettingCrapPastTheRadar?

* BigBad Cluny allows his spy Shadow to call him by his actual name instead of referring to him as "Chief" as all his other followers do, and Shadow begs Cluny for help as he dies.

* This troper's childhood was largely spent trying to explain away the Ho Yay she saw, as she was fairly self-repressed at that age.
** I'm curious as to how you tried to explain it away now.
** Oh, I don't. As a visitor on this website, how do you imageine I ''could''? I'm much more open to Ho Yay than I was back then.
*** How ''did'' you try to explain it away, I mean?

* BigBad Cluny allows his spy Shadow to call him by his actual name instead of referring to him as "Chief" as all his other followers do, and Shadow begs Cluny for help as he dies.

* Does CargoShipping come under the heading of HoYay? Because Gabool completely ignores the "pretty mousemaid" Mariel in favour of pulling the IHaveYouNowMyPretty routine on the bell.

* According to one source on a forum, in the Russian version of ''The Taggerung'', the translation made Eefera a girl, leading at least one Russian fan to believe (s)he and Vallug were a couple.

*** How ''did'' you try to explain it away, I mean?

* Blaggut's behaviour towards Slipp is faintly reminiscent of [[TheSimpsons Smithers and Burns]].

** [[InnocentInnuendo For those unfamiliar, they're actually talking about indoor archery.]] This troper, in her teens, had a RunningGag with fellow MinionShipping fandom friends that [[spoiler:Brother Hal]] really died because he overheard that line and the [[NoYay disturbing mental images]] gave him a heart attack before the arrow actually hit him.

** Oh, I don't. As a visitor on this website, how do you imageine I ''could''? I'm much more open to Ho Yay than I was back then.

** I'm curious as to how you tried to explain it away now.

* ''Outcast of {{Redwall}}'' features Sunflash the badger and Skarlath the hawk, who save each other's lives and go wandering together for several years. After [[spoiler:Skarlath is shot and killed]] at the end of the book, Sunflash writes a sappy poem to Skarlath, including the line "O Skarlath, there was never one like you".
** Meanwhile, Sunflash's two otter friends Ruddle and Folrig live out in the middle of nowhere all by themselves, alternate between insulting each other and calling the other handsome, and take every opportunity to leap on each other and start wrestling/hugging. Also, they use [[HelloSailor a lot of nautical terms]].

* Craklyn and Piknim have a bit of a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship vibe, particularly [[spoiler:when Craklyn sings a lament over Piknim's grave, during which she actually calls her "my beloved"]].
** Also earlier on, when they sing alternate verses of a light-hearted love ballad at one another.

* Rinkul's announcement that he intends to recapture Tammo and Midge and "take 'em somewheres nice'n'quiet where I'll [[RapeAsDrama do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" left this troper, at the age of fourteen, re-reading the whole page about four times to be sure it really had said what she thought it said, and then giggling uncontrollably.
* In the scene where Tam and Doogy are imprisoned and taken out of their cell to see the King and Queen, there's a detailed description of them putting their kilts back on. Well, they were in a cell, all by themselves, there wasn't much else to do ...
* This troper's childhood was largely spent trying to explain away the Ho Yay she saw, as she was fairly self-repressed at that age.

* ''Outcast of {{Redwall}}'' features Sunflash the badger and Skarlath the hawk, who save each other's lives and go wandering together for several years. After [[spoiler:Skarlath is shot and killed]] at the end of the book, Sunflash writes a sappy poem to Skarlath, including the line "O Skarlath, there was never one like you". Meanwhile, Sunflash's two otter friends live out in the middle of nowhere all by themselves, jokingly insult each other's appearance all the time, and take every opportunity to leap on each other and start wrestling/hugging.

* In the scene where Tam and Doogy are imprisoned and taken out of their cell to see the King and Queen, there's a detailed description of them putting their kilts back on. Well, they are in a cell, all by themselves, there isn't much else to do ...

* In the scene where Tam and Doogy are imprisoned and taken out of their cell to see the King and Queen, there's a detailed description of them putting their kilts back on. Well, they're in a cell, all by themselves, there isn't much to do ...

* In the scene where Tam and Doogy are imprisoned and taken out of their cell to see the King and Queen, there's a detailed description of them putting their kilts back on. What, were they naked up till then or something? Well, they're in a cell, not much to do ...

* Craklyn and Piknim have a bit of a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship vibe, particularly [[spoiler:when Craklyn sings a lament over Piknim's grave, during which she actually calls her "my beloved"]].