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*** If that was true you'd think he would have seen his death coming.
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*** If that was true you'd think he would have seen his death coming.coming.
* In earlier episodes Lisbon tells Jane that if he kills Red John she will arrest him, because she can´t let that happen. In a much later episode she speaks with Jane and tells him, that she changed her mind and she has no problem if Red John gets murdered by Jane, and Red John doesn´t deserve to get a trial, or something like that. I don´t know the episode and her exact words, but she said she changed her mind. Jane doesn´t really believe her and thinks that Lisbon only pretends to change her mind. I always wondered if Lisbon was serious about her change of mind, or if she was just faking it.
* In earlier episodes Lisbon tells Jane that if he kills Red John she will arrest him, because she can´t let that happen. In a much later episode she speaks with Jane and tells him, that she changed her mind and she has no problem if Red John gets murdered by Jane, and Red John doesn´t deserve to get a trial, or something like that. I don´t know the episode and her exact words, but she said she changed her mind. Jane doesn´t really believe her and thinks that Lisbon only pretends to change her mind. I always wondered if Lisbon was serious about her change of mind, or if she was just faking it.
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** It may be that he thought Wagner wasn't quite as cheap an imitation as the other too were, having a better motive if nothing else (WellIntentionedExtremist versus a couple of psychos doing it ForTheEvulz- he spared their friend since while he was involved, he was also not very bright and clearly forced into it), and greater restraint. Also, while he may hate "cheap imitations", that isn't why he killed them- he did it to save Jane, who made his life interesting. Wagner got caught and would either be executed (he later tries to make a deal to get off death row) or would at least spend a very long time in prison; those two were going to murder Jane and completely get away with everything. He hates cheap imitations, but he usually likes to have a slightly better reason for killing you, especially if there is risk involved.
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** It may be that he thought Wagner wasn't quite as cheap an imitation as the other too two were, having a better motive if nothing else (WellIntentionedExtremist versus a couple of psychos doing it ForTheEvulz- he spared their friend since while he was involved, he was also not very bright and clearly forced into it), and greater restraint. Also, while he may hate "cheap imitations", that isn't why he killed them- he did it to save Jane, who made his life interesting. Wagner got caught and would either be executed (he later tries to make a deal to get off death row) or would at least spend a very long time in prison; those two were going to murder Jane and completely get away with everything. He hates cheap imitations, but he usually likes to have a slightly better reason for killing you, especially if there is risk involved.
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** It's also possible that he did legitimately have psychic powers.
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** It's also possible that he did legitimately have psychic powers.powers.
*** If that was true you'd think he would have seen his death coming.
*** If that was true you'd think he would have seen his death coming.
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** He probably learned what Lorelei told Jane and was capable of deducing those identities through his network of disciples.
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** He probably learned what Lorelei told Jane and was capable of deducing those identities through his network of disciples.disciples.
** It's also possible that he did legitimately have psychic powers.
** It's also possible that he did legitimately have psychic powers.
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** It may be that he thought Wagner wasn't quite as cheap an imitation as the other too were, having a better motive if nothing else (WellIntentionedExtremist versus a couple of psychos doing it ForTheEvulz- he spared their friend since while he was involved, he was also not very bright and clearly forced into it), and greater restraint. Also, while he "can't stand" cheap imitations, that isn't why he killed them- he did it to save Jane, who made his life interesting. Wagner got caught and would either be executed (he later tries to make a deal to get off death row) or would at least spend a very long time in prison; those two were going to murder Jane and completely get away with everything. He hates cheap imitations, but he usually likes to have a slightly better reason for killing you, especially if there is risk involved.
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** It may be that he thought Wagner wasn't quite as cheap an imitation as the other too were, having a better motive if nothing else (WellIntentionedExtremist versus a couple of psychos doing it ForTheEvulz- he spared their friend since while he was involved, he was also not very bright and clearly forced into it), and greater restraint. Also, while he "can't stand" cheap imitations, may hate "cheap imitations", that isn't why he killed them- he did it to save Jane, who made his life interesting. Wagner got caught and would either be executed (he later tries to make a deal to get off death row) or would at least spend a very long time in prison; those two were going to murder Jane and completely get away with everything. He hates cheap imitations, but he usually likes to have a slightly better reason for killing you, especially if there is risk involved.
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** It may be that he thought Wagner wasn't quite as cheap an imitation as the other too were, having a better motive if nothing else (WellIntentionedExtremist versus a couple of psychos doing it ForTheEvulz- he spared their friend since while he was involved, he was also not very bright and clearly forced into it), and greater restraint. Also, while he "can't stand" cheap imitations, that isn't why he killed them- he did it to save Jane, who made his life interesting. Wagner got caught and would either be executed (he later tries to make a deal to get off death row) or would at least spend a very long time in prison; those two were going to murder Jane and completely get away with everything. He hates cheap imitations, but he usually likes to have a slightly better reason for killing you, especially if there is risk involved.
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* How does Red John guess who Jane suspected he was? This has never been explained.
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* How does Red John guess who Jane suspected he was? This has never been explained.explained.
** He probably learned what Lorelei told Jane and was capable of deducing those identities through his network of disciples.
** He probably learned what Lorelei told Jane and was capable of deducing those identities through his network of disciples.
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*** InUniverse: If Wagner gets killed, Jane would investigate the prison officials responsible. OutOfUniverse: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
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*** InUniverse: If Wagner gets killed, Jane would investigate the prison officials responsible. OutOfUniverse: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
* How does Red John guess who Jane suspected he was? This has never been explained.
* How does Red John guess who Jane suspected he was? This has never been explained.
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**** Federal law trumps state.
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** In season 6, Rigsby confides in Cho that the only reason he proposed to Sarah was because they had a child together; while he obviously cared for her, he wasn't in love with her. He's also become self aware enough to realize why she would be hurt by his faking the dead, and understand her reasoning. So with the child being the most important aspect of the relationship to him, there's no reason for him to get upset.
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*** Though now that we know that [[spoiler:Red John is basically running a whole organization of dirty cops and CBI agents]], why he isn't dead is even ''more'' suspicious.
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*** Though now that we know that [[spoiler:Red John is basically running a whole organization of dirty cops and CBI agents]], why he isn't dead is even ''more'' suspicious.suspicious.
*** InUniverse: If Wagner gets killed, Jane would investigate the prison officials responsible. OutOfUniverse: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
*** InUniverse: If Wagner gets killed, Jane would investigate the prison officials responsible. OutOfUniverse: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
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** Wagner is in prison.
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** Wagner is in prison.prison.
*** Though now that we know that [[spoiler:Red John is basically running a whole organization of dirty cops and CBI agents]], why he isn't dead is even ''more'' suspicious.
*** Though now that we know that [[spoiler:Red John is basically running a whole organization of dirty cops and CBI agents]], why he isn't dead is even ''more'' suspicious.
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**** And yet, in Season 6, they can apparently be shut down completely by a federal judge.
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** Or, more prosaically, she was hooked up to an IV drip. That would take care of eating and drinking.
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*** She may assume that when she eats, drinks, uses the toilet or sleeps, she's just vividly ''reminiscing'' about when she was alive and had to do such things.
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*** Think of them as a made-up West Coast version of the Texas Rangers, which are a separate agency from the Texas state police.
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*** Think of them as a made-up West Coast version of the Texas Rangers, which are a separate agency from the Texas state police.Rangers.
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*** Think of them as a made-up West Coast version of the Texas Rangers, a real-life state-level law enforcement service.
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*** Think of them as a made-up West Coast version of the Texas Rangers, which are a real-life state-level law enforcement service.separate agency from the Texas state police.
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*** Think of them as a made-up West Coast version of the Texas Rangers, a real-life state-level law enforcement service.
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* Okay, so in the Season 2 finale, we meet Red John, who murders two killers who have engaged in "cheap imitations" of his own particular style. Just one of many ways, evidently, to get on this serial killer's bad side. So then, why isn't Dr. Linus Wagner dead?
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* Okay, so in the Season 2 finale, we meet Red John, who murders two killers who have engaged in "cheap imitations" of his own particular style. Just one of many ways, evidently, to get on this serial killer's bad side. So then, why isn't Dr. Linus Wagner dead?dead?
** Wagner is in prison.
** Wagner is in prison.
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** They broke up because Rigsby faked his own death (rather gruesomely) without letting her in on the plan. She spent 1-3 days fearing that the father of her infant son had been killed. When he revealed himself as alive, I assume she was so upset with him for doing that to her that she broke up with him. As for Rigsby not being upset, maybe their relationship is getting better offscreen, with a chance to rebuild, or he is just happy that she still allows him custody of their son.
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** They broke up because Rigsby faked his own death (rather gruesomely) without letting her in on the plan. She spent 1-3 days fearing that the father of her infant son had been killed. When he revealed himself as alive, I assume she was so upset with him for doing that to her that she broke up with him. As for Rigsby not being upset, maybe their relationship is getting better offscreen, with a chance to rebuild, or he is just happy that she still allows him custody of their son.son.
* Okay, so in the Season 2 finale, we meet Red John, who murders two killers who have engaged in "cheap imitations" of his own particular style. Just one of many ways, evidently, to get on this serial killer's bad side. So then, why isn't Dr. Linus Wagner dead?
* Okay, so in the Season 2 finale, we meet Red John, who murders two killers who have engaged in "cheap imitations" of his own particular style. Just one of many ways, evidently, to get on this serial killer's bad side. So then, why isn't Dr. Linus Wagner dead?
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* Is anyone else wondering why Rigsby and Sarah broke up? As an addition to this, Rigsby didn't seem too brokenhearted after getting dumped by THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD.
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* Is anyone else wondering why Rigsby and Sarah broke up? As an addition to this, Rigsby didn't seem too brokenhearted after getting dumped by THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD.CHILD.
** They broke up because Rigsby faked his own death (rather gruesomely) without letting her in on the plan. She spent 1-3 days fearing that the father of her infant son had been killed. When he revealed himself as alive, I assume she was so upset with him for doing that to her that she broke up with him. As for Rigsby not being upset, maybe their relationship is getting better offscreen, with a chance to rebuild, or he is just happy that she still allows him custody of their son.
** They broke up because Rigsby faked his own death (rather gruesomely) without letting her in on the plan. She spent 1-3 days fearing that the father of her infant son had been killed. When he revealed himself as alive, I assume she was so upset with him for doing that to her that she broke up with him. As for Rigsby not being upset, maybe their relationship is getting better offscreen, with a chance to rebuild, or he is just happy that she still allows him custody of their son.
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** How does she ''drink'', then? She thought she was dead.
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** How does she ''drink'', then? She thought she was dead.dead.
* Is anyone else wondering why Rigsby and Sarah broke up? As an addition to this, Rigsby didn't seem too brokenhearted after getting dumped by THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD.
* Is anyone else wondering why Rigsby and Sarah broke up? As an addition to this, Rigsby didn't seem too brokenhearted after getting dumped by THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD.
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** Not to be gross, but that doesn't mean she has to do anything active about it. It'll happen eventually no matter what. Happens to people in RealLife, remember?
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** Not to be gross, but that doesn't mean she has to do anything active about it. It'll happen eventually no matter what. Happens to people in RealLife, remember?remember?
** How does she ''drink'', then? She thought she was dead.
** How does she ''drink'', then? She thought she was dead.
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* How exactly could Kristina be that catatonic? Yes, I know, Red John is a sick dude who could just fuck with your head, but she's still human, all right. Every so often, she has to ''piss.''
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* How exactly could Kristina be that catatonic? Yes, I know, Red John is a sick dude who could just fuck with your head, but she's still human, all right. Every so often, she has to ''piss.''''
** Not to be gross, but that doesn't mean she has to do anything active about it. It'll happen eventually no matter what. Happens to people in RealLife, remember?
** Not to be gross, but that doesn't mean she has to do anything active about it. It'll happen eventually no matter what. Happens to people in RealLife, remember?
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*** HollywoodLaw.
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*** HollywoodLaw.HollywoodLaw.
* How exactly could Kristina be that catatonic? Yes, I know, Red John is a sick dude who could just fuck with your head, but she's still human, all right. Every so often, she has to ''piss.''
* How exactly could Kristina be that catatonic? Yes, I know, Red John is a sick dude who could just fuck with your head, but she's still human, all right. Every so often, she has to ''piss.''
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*** I know that much, but they don't seem to have the same jurisdiction as the real life CHP. They seem to be closer to the FBI, except only in California.
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*** I know that much, but they don't seem to have the same jurisdiction as the real life CHP. They seem to be closer to the FBI, except only in California.California.
*** HollywoodLaw.
*** HollywoodLaw.
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** It's a California state police agency.
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** It's a California state police agency.agency.
*** I know that much, but they don't seem to have the same jurisdiction as the real life CHP. They seem to be closer to the FBI, except only in California.
*** I know that much, but they don't seem to have the same jurisdiction as the real life CHP. They seem to be closer to the FBI, except only in California.
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* What is the CBI's jurisdiction?
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* What is the CBI's jurisdiction?jurisdiction?
** It's a California state police agency.
** It's a California state police agency.
