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6th Jan '17 7:16:55 AM SeptimusHeap
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28th Oct '16 5:27:38 PM Scsigs
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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, & turns them from the SilentMajority they would be into them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling he'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire somehow than help. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.

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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, & turns them from the SilentMajority they would be into them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. mindsets. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them him about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling he'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire somehow than help. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.
28th Oct '16 5:21:45 PM Scsigs
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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.

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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, & turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns be into them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd he'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire somehow than help somehow.help. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.
28th Oct '16 5:19:35 PM Scsigs
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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a think. Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.

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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a think. thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.
28th Oct '16 5:18:18 PM Scsigs
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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Piewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a think. Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.

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* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Piewdiepie Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a think. Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.
28th Oct '16 5:06:44 PM Scsigs
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** He didn't say "Hey Carly Shay" it was more like "uhhh hi". In any case, Mitch says that Freddie used to like Carly in this universe but gave up becuse she was in a long term relationship with Nevel, so she probably didn't talk to Freddie often anymore.

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** He didn't say "Hey Carly Shay" it was more like "uhhh hi". In any case, Mitch says that Freddie used to like Carly in this universe but gave up becuse because she was in a long term relationship with Nevel, so she probably didn't talk to Freddie often anymore.



*** [[WordOfGod Dan Schneider]] talked about this in a LifeJournal post (now dead). The elevator in the Shay's apartment is a cargo elevator; you must have authorisation or a special key to use it to access their loft. They have this elevator because Bushwell Plaza used to be a commercial building and was later converted into an apartment building. And no, not all of the apartments have them; only the lofts do.

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*** [[WordOfGod Dan Schneider]] talked about this in a LifeJournal post (now dead). The elevator in the Shay's apartment is a cargo elevator; you must have authorisation authorization or a special key to use it to access their loft. They have this elevator because Bushwell Plaza used to be a commercial building and was later converted into an apartment building. And no, not all of the apartments have them; only the lofts do.



* In a universe where Apple (the company that popularised the i- prefix, such as iPod, iPhone, and iPad) is replaced by Pear, a company that uses the Pear- prefix (such as PearPod, PearPhone, and PearBook), how does the name iCarly make any sense?

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* In a universe where Apple (the company that popularised popularized the i- prefix, such as iPod, iPhone, and iPad) is replaced by Pear, a company that uses the Pear- prefix (such as PearPod, PearPhone, and PearBook), how does the name iCarly make any sense?



*** Confirmed in Istart a fan war that icarly forums do exist but they dont seem to be an official part of the website when Adam says "yeah I was poking around some forums online", whether these forums existed when Nevel hacked the icarly site is another question.

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*** Confirmed in Istart iStart a fan war that icarly iCarly forums do exist but they dont don't seem to be an official part of the website when Adam says "yeah I was poking around some forums online", whether these forums existed when Nevel hacked the icarly iCarly site is another question.



In the episode mentioned above, Carly and Freddie are trapped inside Ms. Brigg's closet. Sam (on the phone) tells them to "give her sixty seconds, then go for the door." Sam follows up by calling Ms. Briggs and feeds her a load about being from the Federal Bereau of Milk. Now, the entire thing with the FBM is excusable due in no small part to RuleOfFunny. But Sam called Ms. Briggs on the phone. ''How, exactly, did Sam have her phone number?'' She called her immidiately after she was done talking to Carly and Freddie. I don't think Sam is likely to have an evil teacher on speed dial.

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In the episode mentioned above, Carly and Freddie are trapped inside Ms. Brigg's closet. Sam (on the phone) tells them to "give her sixty seconds, then go for the door." Sam follows up by calling Ms. Briggs and feeds her a load about being from the Federal Bereau of Milk. Now, the entire thing with the FBM is excusable due in no small part to RuleOfFunny. But Sam called Ms. Briggs on the phone. ''How, exactly, did Sam have her phone number?'' She called her immidiately immediately after she was done talking to Carly and Freddie. I don't think Sam is likely to have an evil teacher on speed dial.



* Why the hell did ''EVERYONE'' hate on Freddie for "killing" Fred? Even his family turned against him. Is Dan trying to teach kids "If you have a different opinion than everyone else, you will suffer for it"? It's as if he's oblivious that kid shows like iCarly actually do have an influence on the children demographic. Also, why is Fred's popularity so exaggerated? If Dan did his research, he would've discovered Fred's huge Hatedom! I really don't see how he could be oblivious to it everyday - people are also commenting on Fred's videos and saying mean, hateful things like that he should kill himself. Freddie and iCarly should've gotten a ''lot'' of positive attention for getting rid of Fred. In fact, there would've been more positive reaction than negative reaction in real life. Talk about CriticalResearchFailure...

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* Why the hell did ''EVERYONE'' hate on Freddie for "killing" Fred? Even his family turned against him. Is Dan trying to teach kids kids, "If you have a different opinion than everyone else, you will suffer for it"? It's as if he's oblivious that kid shows like iCarly actually do have an influence on the children demographic. Also, why is Fred's popularity so exaggerated? If Dan did his research, he would've discovered Fred's huge Hatedom! I really don't see how he could be oblivious to it everyday - people are also commenting on Fred's videos and saying mean, hateful things like that he should kill himself. Freddie and iCarly should've gotten a ''lot'' of positive attention for getting rid of Fred. In fact, there would've been more positive reaction than negative reaction in real life. Talk about CriticalResearchFailure...



[[WMG: And another Thing About "iMeet Fred"...]]
* As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & actually thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience apparently has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Piewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over the top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly, or Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's really not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict set up sees to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a think. Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their own logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least in-character for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, turns them from the SilentMajority they would be, & turns them into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindset. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell them about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling He'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire than help somehow. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this be real life & Lucas still be relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible.



* In "iGive Away a Car", how can they have a car giveway contest and give away a "new car that travels at 30 miles per hour" to a person who doesn't even have a driver's license, or isn't old enough to drive? Highly illogical. Aren't these kinds of contests only for people that are 18 and up? The iCarly contest is intended for the webshow audience (mostly children and teens).

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* In "iGive Away a Car", how can they have a car giveway giveaway contest and give away a "new car that travels at 30 miles per hour" to a person who doesn't even have a driver's license, or isn't old enough to drive? Highly illogical. Aren't these kinds of contests only for people that are 18 and up? The iCarly contest is intended for the webshow audience (mostly children and teens).



** Completely agree with you on your first question, but at first, Shelby was not coming into the fight to beat anyone senseless. After Carly insulted her grandmother, she wanted to beat Carly's face in to defend her. I don't think her fans or the general public would've been upset with Shelby for winning in a fight against Carly. iCarly is popular in their universe, but certainly not as popular as a young, hot, vicious martial arts fighter (in a world where martial arts fights are popular and their competitors' are celebrities). Her fans would want her to win the fight. The comparison with Uwe Boll dosen't really work because Boll didn't fight fair by not bothering to give his opponents proper training.

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** Completely agree with you on your first question, but at first, Shelby was not coming into the fight to beat anyone senseless. After Carly insulted her grandmother, she wanted to beat Carly's face in to defend her. I don't think her fans or the general public would've been upset with Shelby for winning in a fight against Carly. iCarly is popular in their universe, but certainly not as popular as a young, hot, vicious martial arts fighter (in a world where martial arts fights are popular and their competitors' are celebrities). Her fans would want her to win the fight. The comparison with Uwe Boll dosen't doesn't really work because Boll didn't fight fair by not bothering to give his opponents proper training.



** The judges could easily have been fans of the iCarly webshow (like every minor character on this show seems to be) or just happen to know Sam is "famous". Its not like judges pain stakingly weigh all factors before coming up with a decision for a minor beauty pagent. They have a very attractive girl who is an "internet celebrity" and did fairly well in her talent. I don't think its strange at all that she won.

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** The judges could easily have been fans of the iCarly webshow (like every minor character on this show seems to be) or just happen to know Sam is "famous". Its not like judges pain stakingly pain-stakingly weigh all factors before coming up with a decision for a minor beauty pagent.pageant. They have a very attractive girl who is an "internet celebrity" and did fairly well in her talent. I don't think its strange at all that she won.



*** Most of Carly's furniture comes from a company called Jellio including the lamp that set on fire, Carly has something the company calls a Candelier, the mini version costs $2,400 but Carly more than likely has the big one which is listed as up on request, so its probably about $5,000, her ice cream bench costs $950, the cupcake table costs $750, she has at least 9 lamps which cost $125 each so that's another $1125, she has a pear pad which is basically an ipad which would cost at least $500. Were already up to $8325 and thats barely made a dent on the stuff in her room, the computer and tv screen looked super expensive, all her clothes had to be bought, her bed, the table with the boat in it. Her room is expensive.

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*** Most of Carly's furniture comes from a company called Jellio including the lamp that set on fire, Carly has something the company calls a Candelier, the mini version costs $2,400 but Carly more than likely has the big one which is listed as up on request, so its probably about $5,000, her ice cream bench costs $950, the cupcake table costs $750, she has at least 9 lamps which cost $125 each so that's another $1125, she has a pear pad which is basically an ipad iPad which would cost at least $500. Were already up to $8325 and thats barely made a dent on the stuff in her room, the computer and tv screen looked super expensive, all her clothes had to be bought, her bed, the table with the boat in it. Her room is expensive.



** She may had been watching the show that the two kdis that looked like Drake and Josh had. In that episode of D&J the main chracters themselves watched it at the end.

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** She may had been watching the show that the two kdis kids that looked like Drake and Josh had. In that episode of D&J the main chracters themselves watched it at the end.



** Spencer and Jack Black get into a constume/fanboy contest about who has the best costume or knoweldge of some fictional show.

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** Spencer and Jack Black get into a constume/fanboy contest about who has the best costume or knoweldge knowledge of some fictional show.



Ok this bugs me. In IGet Pranky Drake and Josh is a TV show within the show itself, that's fine, but THEN we get the cameos in IStart A Fan War. How does this work!? Is Drake and Josh a show in the setting or not?

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Ok this bugs me. In IGet iGet Pranky Drake and Josh is a TV show within the show itself, that's fine, but THEN we get the cameos in IStart iStart A Fan War. How does this work!? Is Drake and Josh a show in the setting or not?



* ''iHire an Idiot and a Pretty Boy Hardworker'' seems long for an episode. It also ruins the main premise of the episode that the girls hire a moron, which triggers Freddie to go "rogue" and hire is own idiot without the girls' approval.

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* ''iHire an Idiot and a Pretty Boy Hardworker'' Hard Worker'' seems long for an episode. It also ruins the main premise of the episode that the girls hire a moron, which triggers Freddie to go "rogue" and hire is own idiot without the girls' approval.



Why cant they make up their mind? hasnt he had three or four different names? early on in the series his name was confirmed to be Gibby (his little brother is called Guppy) but now it looks like its been downgraded to a nickname, replaced with an overly long one.

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Why cant they make up their mind? hasnt Hasn't he had three or four different names? early on in the series his name was confirmed to be Gibby (his little brother is called Guppy) but now it looks like its been downgraded to a nickname, replaced with an overly long one.



* The biggest issue is probably their ability to stream the webshow live. Everything else can probably be handwaved by "Freddie spending the techfoot money on stuff for the webshow" or possibly some kind of sponsorship in-universe that is limited. Or advertising. As for the computers in his room? Most computer nerd type kids gain access and scrounge up alot of old computers. He's just taken time to get them all working, rather than junking them as he's got better ones. If I kept all the computers I had till I was 18, I'd have about 10.

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* The biggest issue is probably their ability to stream the webshow live. Everything else can probably be handwaved by "Freddie spending the techfoot money on stuff for the webshow" or possibly some kind of sponsorship in-universe that is limited. Or advertising. As for the computers in his room? Most computer nerd type kids gain access and scrounge up alot a lot of old computers. He's just taken time to get them all working, rather than junking them as he's got better ones. If I kept all the computers I had till I was 18, I'd have about 10.



** Because it's ''worse'' than Sam's typical behaviour, beating him with a tennis raqcuet and then throwing him out of a treehouse because of his opinion? Also, many people still ship Seddie anyway, and prefer to ignore it or claim it as 'RuleOfFunny'.

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** Because it's ''worse'' than Sam's typical behaviour, beating him with a tennis raqcuet racquet and then throwing him out of a treehouse because of his opinion? Also, many people still ship Seddie anyway, and prefer to ignore it or claim it as 'RuleOfFunny'.
20th Oct '16 1:10:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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What the hell was that about? It was Gibby's prized possession, and they pretty much stole it from him. No, Gibby screwing up doesn't make it okay. Just because it's the final season doesn't give Schneider the excuse to [[TheyJustDidntCare stop caring]].

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What the hell was that about? It was Gibby's prized possession, and they pretty much stole it from him. No, Gibby screwing up doesn't make it okay. Just because it's the final season doesn't give Schneider the excuse to [[TheyJustDidntCare stop caring]].caring.
20th Oct '16 10:37:52 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** TheyJustDidntCare.



** Another weird thing is that I could have sworn that one of his lines in iOMG referred to him moving to the school which makes it doubly an issue. Can probably file this down to TheyJustDidntCare.

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** Another weird thing is that I could have sworn that one of his lines in iOMG referred to him moving to the school which makes it doubly an issue. Can probably file this down to TheyJustDidntCare.
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** Dan Schneider had to be aware that Fred had both a Fandom and a Hatedom, so he probably used "world famous" Schneider-verse to put that episode in a world where Fred is unanimously adored by everyone. The man got One Direction on his show, and even the latter has its Hatedom.
17th Jun '16 2:56:52 AM Doug86
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** The writers and Jennette apparently have been "toning down" her behaviour in the final season knowing she has to carry the show (well, kind of, since Nick added ArianaGrande to the cast because they know Sam can't carry a show after what happened during the ShippingWars in ''iCarly''). They could have fooled me.

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** The writers and Jennette apparently have been "toning down" her behaviour in the final season knowing she has to carry the show (well, kind of, since Nick added ArianaGrande Music/ArianaGrande to the cast because they know Sam can't carry a show after what happened during the ShippingWars in ''iCarly''). They could have fooled me.
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