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** Nobody cares about [[ButTMonkey Yallam]],not even the creators themselves.

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** Nobody cares about [[ButTMonkey Yallam]],not [[ButtMonkey Yallam]], not even the creators themselves. themselves.
* This conversation in Contigo;
-->'''Isaac'''(to Felix): Why did you wait so long to tell me? I would have helped you...
-->'''Kraden''': You wouldn't have done it before, Isaac... It would have meant ''violating the sacred teachings of Vale''.
** While this would imply Isaac is not destined to save the world unless he's aiding Felix, Kraden screwed over by saying this earlier on;
-->'''Kraden''': '''Felix betrayed his hometown, Vale...''' That's why he hasn't been able to face Isaac. Felix had hoped to [[SuperDickery play the villain alone]], without getting Jenna or me involved...
which basically means Felix has already did the same thing as what Isaac is not supposed to do. This raises another question of why did Felix did not bother explaining his motives to Isaac after the latter killed Saturos & Menardi at the first place.


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**** Not even all the stuff about character-testing.

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** Nobody cares about [[ButTMonkey Yallam]],not even the creators themselves.




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** So that's why Mercury of all planets is associated with water!
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****The former doesn't make sense at all.

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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why couldn't she just summon ice to remove the heat?
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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why couldn't she just summon ice to remove the heat?

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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why couldn't she just summon ice to remove the heat?
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** What Fire Adepts in Kibombo? The only Adept I recall seeing in Kibombo is Akafubu, and the only named Psynergy we see him use is Lift... which is a ''Mercury'' Psynergy.
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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why coulden't she jsut summon ice to remove the heat?

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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why coulden't couldn't she jsut just summon ice to remove the heat?

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* Alex had a perfect opportunity to grab the Mars Star from Isaac after Isaac and co.'s fight with Saturos. He would have won and would have taken the star from them. Why do you think he didn't do this after the Saturos fight in Mercury Lighthouse?
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** Maybe Alex said something like, "Hey guys, you should really give that there Jupiter Star to Felix, even if he turns against us I can still make him do whatever I want."
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* Why does Felix have the Jupitar Star from the outset of the game? Saturos clearly didn't trust Felix so why give him the super important artifact that was necessary for their entire quest to succeed? For better or for worse he seemed to trust Alex. I understand how he might be cautious and only want to bring the right star to the top of the tower especially when predicting a fight (he admitted he left the stars with Menardai at Mercury Lighthouse) but why hand it over to the member of their party that is actively being black mailed and showing signs of rebelling? Thins would have made much more sense if Alex had the Jupitar Star and gave it to Felix and co in Champa when he pressures them half way through the game.

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* Why does Felix have the Jupitar Jupiter Star from the outset of the game? Saturos clearly didn't trust Felix so why give him the super important artifact that was necessary for their entire quest to succeed? For better or for worse he seemed to trust Alex. I understand how he might be cautious and only want to bring the right star to the top of the tower especially when predicting a fight (he admitted he left the stars with Menardai at Mercury Lighthouse) but why hand it over to the member of their party that is actively being black mailed and showing signs of rebelling? Thins would have made much more sense if Alex had the Jupitar Jupiter Star and gave it to Felix and co in Champa when he pressures them half way through the game.

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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that he's otherwise manipulative, callous, and power-hungry, this humane side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?

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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that he's otherwise manipulative, callous, and power-hungry, this humane side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?
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** One guess is that because Felix and co wouldn't have finished off Karst and Agatio and that in turn Karst and Agatio would not stop. Healing them and letting them go running off towards Prox ensures the two teams don't kill each other. And where does it say he knew they wouldn't be able to activate Mars Lighthouse? (Personally I think Mars Lighthouse being a final exam dungeon is either gameplay story segregation or The Wise One rearranged things for his "test". On that note the reason Karst and Agatio failed was because The Wise One was working against them not because of the puzzles and Alex clearly had no knowledge of the Wise One's involvement given the ending.)
* Why does Felix have the Jupitar Star from the outset of the game? Saturos clearly didn't trust Felix so why give him the super important artifact that was necessary for their entire quest to succeed? For better or for worse he seemed to trust Alex. I understand how he might be cautious and only want to bring the right star to the top of the tower especially when predicting a fight (he admitted he left the stars with Menardai at Mercury Lighthouse) but why hand it over to the member of their party that is actively being black mailed and showing signs of rebelling? Thins would have made much more sense if Alex had the Jupitar Star and gave it to Felix and co in Champa when he pressures them half way through the game.

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* In the desert, why couldn't Mia, who is shown to be able to summon ''ice'' at will, just cool the party off? They never said the oasis were magic, so why coulden't she jsut summon ice to remove the heat?

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** That's just the elements themselves, as far as anyone's resistance, that varies from individual to individual. Dullahan and Deadbeard both resist Mercury both one is weak to Jupiter and the other to Venus, for example.

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** That's just the elements themselves, as far as anyone's resistance, that varies from individual to individual. Dullahan and Deadbeard both resist Mercury both but one is weak to Jupiter and the other to Venus, for example.
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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that everything else about him screams "power-hungry megalomaniac," this humane side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?

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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that everything else about him screams "power-hungry megalomaniac," he's otherwise manipulative, callous, and power-hungry, this humane side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?
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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that everything else about him screams "power-hungry megalomaniac," the regretful side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?

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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that everything else about him screams "power-hungry megalomaniac," the regretful this humane side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?
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* In Jupiter Lighthouse, why did Alex heal Karst and Agatio? He knows that Felix and co. are the only ones who can solve the lighthouse puzzles, and the recent boss fight clearly proves that K&A aren't powerful enough to strong-arm the party to finish restoring Alchemy, which they already have more than enough reason to keep doing (parents hostage, world dying, etc). Since he has no goal keeping K&A alive serves, the best explanation I can think of is to take him at face value (that he's doing it so that the Proxians won't hurt the families held hostage) but if so they really should have made that clearer; the only I see to support it is that he seems to care about Mia if you mind read him, but given that everything else about him screams "power-hungry megalomaniac," the regretful side of him begs to be investigated. Is there another explanation for his behavior, and if not, why did Camelot ignore an interesting opportunity for exploring Alex's conflicting desires?
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**** In-game lore states that Aqua Rock produces infinite amounts of water.
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** Apparently, the next game will feature the Golden Sun characters' descendants, and given TheLegendOfZelda's take on shifting landmasses over time...

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** Apparently, the next game will feature the Golden Sun characters' descendants, and given TheLegendOfZelda's Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda's take on shifting landmasses over time...
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** That's just the elements themselves, as far as anyone's resistance, that varies from individual to individual. Dullahan and Deadbeard both resist Mercury both one is weak to Jupiter and the other to Venus, for example.
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*** Above is a good enough explanation, but it's really GameplayAndStorySegregation. Your party has access to Dijinn, so there is not guarantee that Garet hasn't slapped on a bunch of water elementals and Ivan is the party's go to fire starter. Programming all the possibilities probably became a headache.

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*** Above is a good enough explanation, but it's really GameplayAndStorySegregation. Your party has access to Dijinn, so there is not no guarantee that Garet hasn't slapped on a bunch of water elementals and Ivan is the party's go to fire starter. Programming all the possibilities probably became a headache.
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*** [[AWizardDidIt Psynergy did it]].

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*** [[AWizardDidIt Psynergy did it]]. Using expensive material you are charged for sounds good
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***** As mentioned, they were the only survivors of the original team that attempted to breach Sol Sanctum. It's possible that one or more of the team were better negotiators and diplomats than S & M; at least before they bought the farm because they weren't great fighters. Perhaps they weren't even the leaders of that group to begin with.

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* Did anyone else think that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter with Himi?

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* Did anyone else think that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter with Himi?
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** Yep! One of the bigger complaints amongst the fans, as far as I know. To be fair, though, she was [[EleventhHourRanger introduced close to the end of the game]], and [[SpotlightStealingSquad Sveta was kind of hogging the plot]].
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* Did anyone else think that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter with Himi?
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** Jenna named Matthew.

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** Jenna Maybe ''Jenna'' named Matthew.



*** Yeah, they mention it's Tret in the training grounds. One of the signs you can read for prompting specifically says to burn away Tret's anger so his nice side will show again, or something like that.

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*** Yeah, they They do mention it's Tret in the training grounds. One of the signs you can read for prompting specifically says to burn away Tret's anger so his nice side will show again, or something like that.
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*** Visitors are mentioned, and it's mentioned that the Vale residents have to keep Psynergy a secret from them. Psynergy is such a huge part of their lifestyle that one would think it hard to hide from visitors, especially with that huge honking crystal in the middle of town, so maybe everyone's creeped out by the apparent LittleTownWithADarkSecret.

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*** Visitors are mentioned, and it's mentioned that the Vale residents have to keep Psynergy a secret from them. Psynergy is such a huge part of their lifestyle that one would think it hard to hide from visitors, especially with that huge honking crystal in the middle of town, so maybe everyone's creeped out by the apparent LittleTownWithADarkSecret.
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*** Probably because everybody in Vale is keeping some kind of weird secrets, and it bugs the visitors too much to stick around and try to pry it out of them. Presumably Kraden's been around for years (his house is present during the prologue) and has earned their trust.

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*** Probably because everybody in Visitors are mentioned, and it's mentioned that the Vale is keeping some kind of weird secrets, and it bugs the visitors too much residents have to stick around and try to pry it out of keep Psynergy a secret from them. Presumably Kraden's been around for years (his house Psynergy is present during the prologue) and has earned such a huge part of their trust.
lifestyle that one would think it hard to hide from visitors, especially with that huge honking crystal in the middle of town, so maybe everyone's creeped out by the apparent LittleTownWithADarkSecret.



*** It's also possible, since the attempted negotiations with Vale happened before the events of the prologue, that Saturos and Menardi were not specifically the ones doing the negotiations-- presumably their diplomat was one of those killed in the failed attack on Sol Sanctum in the prologue.

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*** It's also possible, since the attempted negotiations with Vale happened before the events of the prologue, that Saturos and Menardi were not specifically the ones doing the negotiations-- presumably their diplomat was one of those killed in the failed attack on Sol Sanctum in the prologue.
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** GameplayAndStorySegregation was in fact averted here: after the beacon's been lit, Isaac and Garet's PP are fully refilled when you start the Fusion Dragon fight.



*** Actually, I think it just has something to do with the Proxian ''race'' as a whole. Extreme cold is shown as being extremely debilitating to them in their town. Given that the Mercury Lighthouse is in a frozen region, and Saturos was ''literally'' standing next to the beacon during the fight, he was probably suffering some kind of extreme frostbite. Garet doesn't have that problem because, being from Vale, he's "human" than the draconic Proxians.

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*** Actually, I think it just has something to do with the Proxian ''race'' as a whole. Extreme cold is shown as being extremely debilitating to them in their town. Given that the Mercury Lighthouse is in a frozen region, and Saturos was ''literally'' standing next to the beacon during the fight, he was probably suffering some kind of extreme frostbite. Garet doesn't have that problem because, being from Vale, he's more "human" than the draconic Proxians. Proxians.
**** Probably wrong: Garet is sensitive to the lighting of Venus Lighthouse - he doesn't get PP at each turn while in the Lighthouse like Isaac does, but his PP is refilled for the Fusion Dragon battle just like Isaac's.

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