Line #176 Headscratchers/GoldenSun


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4	* ''Headscratchers/GoldenSun1''
5	* ''Headscratchers/GoldenSunTheLostAge''
6	* ''Headscratchers/GoldenSunDarkDawn''
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12	[[WMG: The Interregnum between The Lost Age and Dark Dawn]]
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14	[[folder:Isaac naming his son]]
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16	* Why does someone who has had a deity (possibly capital G) try to kill them and their father name their child "Gift from God"?
17	** Because Matthew is the best name ever and it's ''most definitely'' not biased in saying so! In all seriousness, remember Kraden's talk with Isaac and Felix at the end of TLA? He surmised that more than anything else, the Wise One wanted to test Isaac and co. It's possible he may have forgiven the Wise One for that and seen the, pardon the pun, wisdom in his choices. Either that, or "Matthew" just means something different in Weyard.
18	** It's holding out for it being a MeaningfulName: remember, Isaac was given a portion of the Mars star power from the Wise One himself. You bet that this new kid will probably have inherited some of his (great grand?)father's gift.
19	** The Wise One never actually tried to ''kill'' Isaac. It was a SecretTestOfCharacter. [[spoiler:Also, the Wise One [[DoingInTheWizard isn't a god, but rather a living Philosopher's Stone]].]] [[FlatWhat Yeah]].
20	** The former doesn't make sense at all.
21	** Not even all the stuff about character-testing.
22	** Or because it's ''not'' intended as a MeaningfulName. After all, "Isaac" means "he who laughs", and [[HeroicMime we don't really]] [[SilentProtagonist see Isaac laugh a lot]].
23	** Maybe ''Jenna'' named Matthew.
24	** Isaac's mother's name is Dora, which is short for Theodora and which also "means" god's gift. Matthew may be named after his grandmother. (This is ignoring that Matthew, like most modern names, doesn't itself mean anything. Etymologically it comes from a term meaning gift of Yahweh, not god in general but specifically a god which is not referenced in the golden sun franchise and which is clearly distinct from the wise one. Further, Isaac utilises the power of multiple gods via summoning during the quest, it doesn't make sense that he would become such an antitheist that he would refuse to name his child in a way which incredibly obliquely refers to a god which likely doesn't even exist in his universe.)
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28	[[folder:Promotional art]]
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30	* Why are there only three characters on the promotional art ?
31	** (Of course, if they're children of the heroes of the first two games, it helps to remember that even if you're a YaoiFangirl and have no problem making 4 couples out of the 8 protagonists... there's still only 3 girls. But come on, people can have more than one child!)
32	** Screenshots seem to indicate that there will be at least one GuestStarPartyMember along the way, maybe more, and the fourth permanent member could be someone completely unrelated to the original heroes.
33	** Which means he doesn't get to be in promo art ? That's mean, Camelot.
34	** It wouldn't be the first time. How long did we know about Felix, Jenna, and Sheba before Piers was finally revealed? (Although he was on all the TLA official art.)
35	** In theory, couldn't Piers BE the fourth character for the new game? He's Lemurian, and even if he was banished, surely the king would revoke that. He's probably still the same as he was in Lost Age. It would make sense to have someone along who saved the world last time, as a mentor or whatever, without it being one of their parents.
36	** But that would give us three warrior-style adepts and one mage-style adept. Unless Dark Dawn has a total of eight playable party members, that seems very unlikely. Especially since there's a screenshot showing the HP values of a fourth character named Crown, [[strike: who, based on HP values and the elements of the other three characters, would appear to be a water adept with Ivan and Jenna's fighting style.]]
37	** Crown has officially appeared in gameplay and appears to fight just like Mia.
38	** They didn't even use the same design for Tyrell later, so the guess is they were still working on character designs when that promo art was released.
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42	[[folder:Problem timeline]]
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44	* Why would it take so long for the problems with the release of psynergy take 20-30 years to pop up rather than be a more immediate effect like the Proxians make it sound?
45	** Because Weyard was kinda dying at the time, if you'll recall. Evidently it took 20-30 years for it to be satiated, at which point overflow finally started and there was enough excess psyenergy for problems to start. For the interim period, most of the energy was feeding the planet and repairing the lost and damaged land.
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49	[[folder:Element names]]
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51	* Okay, one question...are the names associated with the elements from something like Taoist beliefs and mythology?
52	** Yes, though some tweeks had to be made with the planetary associations in the change from the east's five element system to the west's four element system.
53	** So that's why Mercury of all planets is associated with water!
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57	[[folder:Doom Dragon replica]]
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59	* You know that Doom Dragon replica on the training ground? That thing was probably the single most traumatic memory for the original cast. Why on earth would they want to be reminded of it?
60	** Well, the parents all lived. That would certainly help in dealing with the trauma. Combination of that and the passage of time contribute to them being able to laugh at it.
61	** The parents that ended up being hacked, burned, water, frozen, tornadoed, and earth-quaked by the kids would find it more traumatic. Isaac: (laughing) "Hey, dad, remember that time we beat the living hell out of you and Jenna and Felix's parents?" Isaac's Dad: (twitching) Yes.
62	** Who's to say the original cast created the Psynergy Training Ground? That thing as a less-than-accurate retelling made by fans who didn't quite understand the original story, with less emphasis on "the dragon was their parents" and more emphasis on "and then they [[RuleOfCool FOUGHT A FRICKIN THREE-HEADED DRAGON]]". They also have the Fire Clan as bad guys, which [[AntiVillain also wasn't really the case]], and there's certainly no memory of the Kraken being an all-important plot-defining event.
63	** The fact that it's never said that the original cast made it pretty much confirms that, especially since the area near where the ground is located has a lot of Isaac & co. [[HeroWorshipper fans]]. Also, bear in mind that the training ground was made for young Adepts. Telling the whole truth at such an early stage in their development would probably ''not'' have encouraged them to use their powers: they'd probably be spooked into never using them out of fear that something similar could happen to them.
64	** It is, literally, TheThemeParkVersion. And one of defining characteristics of that trope is...?
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68	[[folder:Ayuthay]]
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70	* Where the hell was Ayuthay when Felix & Co. were exploring the world during ''The Lost Age''? Their main city claims to be old enough to trace their stonecrafting tradition to the {{Precursors}}, is located on a flat area along the coast a stone's throw from [[spoiler: Champa]]... Where the hell was it during the first two games? Shouldn't we have visited it at some point? This wouldn't bug nearly so much except that it's a ''plot-important location,'' and ''nobody even tries to explain its presence''!
71	** WordOfGod is that is was on the outskirts of the Lamakan Desert (and when you first visit Ayuthay the surrounding land is indeed arid). Given how the desert had unbearable heat and was considered evil, it was probably little more than a small settlement at the time that was cut off from the rest of the world.
72	** FridgeBrilliance: So ''that'''s why they have the Sand Prince stone!
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76	[[folder:Tret the tree]]
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78	* The surprise that Tret is a tree. To recall it being part of the adept training grounds, one of the few things it gets right.
79	** But they never say in the training ground that it's Tret, or even that that part represents Kolima Forest. It's very funny how it was purposely not mentioned so as to freak out newcomers to the series as much as the characters.
80	** They do mention it's Tret in the training grounds. One of the signs you can read for prompting specifically says to burn away Tret's anger so his nice side will show again, or something like that.
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85	[[folder:Resistance Patterns]]
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87	* Why do the playable characters have a different pattern of elemental relationships than [=NPCs=]? Mentioning four examples with Resistance values in brackets. (i) Djinn Dew who uses Mercury attacks (193 Mercury, 100/100 Venus/Jupiter, 25 Mars) (ii) Saturos who uses Mars attacks (175 Mars, 127 Venus, 100 Jupiter, 72 Mercury) (iii) Mercury adept (e.g. Mia) base stats (114 Mercury, 88 Venus, 87 Mars, 86 Jupiter) (iv) Fusion Dragon (consisting of 2x Venus and 1x Mars adept) (195 Venus, 175 Mars, 130 Mercury, 98 Jupiter). This shows (i) and (iv) use the same pattern but the rest are different. It would expect (ii) to be the logical pattern, with Resistance values from highest to lowest as: innate > symbiotic > neutral > weak.
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91	[[folder:Where are there parents?]]
92	No it doesn't mean the old cast from the first game and their respective spouses. Where are Matthew's grandparents? Isaac's mother is probably dead given the time skip but the other three were right there alongside everyone else when Alchemy restored so they should have the immortality or significantly slowed aging too yet the game never refers to them once. Are they hanging out in Vale just unseen or did they decide to go galavanting across the world and have some adventures of their own since old age wasn't kicking in?
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