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** This is explained as soon as it is lampshaded. Sissel wonders why he still fell after [[spoiler: Jeego]] died, but then Cabanela plays the rest of the tape to show the black cat push him to the ground. [[spoiler: This makes sense when we realize that the cat is posessed, and Yomiel has reason to make his body fall to the ground.]]

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** This is explained as soon as it is lampshaded. Sissel wonders why he still fell after [[spoiler: Jeego]] died, but then Cabanela plays the rest of the tape to show the black cat push him to the ground. [[spoiler: This makes sense when we realize that the cat is posessed, possessed, and Yomiel has reason to make his body fall to the ground.]]



* Why didn't Sissel agree to [[spoiler: Let Lynne get crushed so they could retry the final mission? Since this was before her first death, her soul wouldn't be awake, and characters have been shown to not be aware of what happened to them if they were not a part of the Ghost Trick. Plus, she was unconscious at the time, she wouldn't remember betting crushed anyways and would probably chalk it up to being a really bad nightmare. Or they could just redo Yomiel's death and have Yomiel helping the entire time.]]

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* Why didn't Sissel agree to [[spoiler: Let let Lynne get crushed so they could retry the final mission? Since this was before her first death, her soul wouldn't be awake, and characters have been shown to not be aware of what happened to them if they were not a part of the Ghost Trick. Plus, she was unconscious at the time, she wouldn't remember betting crushed anyways and would probably chalk it up to being a really bad nightmare. Or they could just redo Yomiel's death and have Yomiel helping the entire time.]]



** That, and given how most of the stages involving the police turn out, the guards don't seem the brightest bunch.



* Why did Jowd's family keep a ''loaded'' firearm as a decoration? Generally if you're having a gun as decoration, wouldn't unload it before?

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* Why did Jowd's family keep a ''loaded'' firearm as a decoration? Generally if you're having a gun as decoration, wouldn't unload it before?before?
** It's possible that in addition to making her hook up the gun to the contraption, [[spoiler:Yomiel]] manipulated Kamila into loading it.
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** I wondered that, too. Did they not have any relatives who could take her in? My fanwank is that [[spoiler:maybe Kamila was just staying with Lynne over the weekend, or decided to move in with Lynne rather recently; they bonded over the Jowd case and came to be like sisters, and Kamila ended up spending a lot of time at her place, until Lynne ultimately invited her to stay for good. It seems to fit with Lynne's character and I can see how they'd become so close, considering what links them.]]

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** I wondered that, too. Did they not have any relatives who could take her in? My fanwank is that [[spoiler:maybe Kamila was just staying with Lynne over the weekend, or decided to move in with Lynne rather recently; they bonded over the Jowd case and came to be like sisters, and Kamila ended up spending a lot of time at her place, until Lynne ultimately invited her to stay for good. It seems to fit with Lynne's character and I can see how they'd become so close, considering what links them.]]]]
* Why did Jowd's family keep a ''loaded'' firearm as a decoration? Generally if you're having a gun as decoration, wouldn't unload it before?
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** Actually, this troper thinks that the device was simply one of those lights worn by miners and cave explorers. This would make sense, since he was [[spoiler:digging a hole out of the prison the entire time.]]
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** Actually, the people who were unconscious ''do'' end up remembering, even if that memory is hazy. Lynne's memory had to be jogged the first time by Sissel, but she does admit to remembering being shot when he asks her, and gives specific details that she couldn't have known without actually having that memory. [[spoiler:Sissel, being present for that, knew that it was possible that little Lynne would remember her own death, and wasn't willing to take that chance]].



* How does Lynne go from [[spoiler: being a young girl involved in a hostage situation that Jowd witnessed]] to [[spoiler: living in an apartment with-and apparently being the caretaker of-his daughter? Obviously Kamila needs someone to look after her while her dad's in jail, but I never understood why Lynne was that person.]] It's about the only thing I never got about this game and I keep wondering if it was explained somewhere and I managed to miss it.

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* How does Lynne go from [[spoiler: being a young girl involved in a hostage situation that Jowd witnessed]] to [[spoiler: living in an apartment with-and apparently being the caretaker of-his daughter? Obviously Kamila needs someone to look after her while her dad's in jail, but I never understood why Lynne was that person.]] It's about the only thing I never got about this game and I keep wondering if it was explained somewhere and I managed to miss it.it.
** I wondered that, too. Did they not have any relatives who could take her in? My fanwank is that [[spoiler:maybe Kamila was just staying with Lynne over the weekend, or decided to move in with Lynne rather recently; they bonded over the Jowd case and came to be like sisters, and Kamila ended up spending a lot of time at her place, until Lynne ultimately invited her to stay for good. It seems to fit with Lynne's character and I can see how they'd become so close, considering what links them.]]
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** It's pitch-black, and they concentrate on using their night-vision goggles on looking for suspicious prisoner movement. While a trapdoor opening could count as suspicious movement too, they'd have to be looking ''down'' at the floor to spot it, and it always opens when they're right on top of it, so it always catches them off guard. It's likely the surprise and the thump make it difficult to spot the exact place where the trapdoor is.
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* Why do those guards never learn not to fall through the trapdoor after the first time they do it?

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* Why do those guards never learn not to fall through the trapdoor after the first time they do it?it?
* How does Lynne go from [[spoiler: being a young girl involved in a hostage situation that Jowd witnessed]] to [[spoiler: living in an apartment with-and apparently being the caretaker of-his daughter? Obviously Kamila needs someone to look after her while her dad's in jail, but I never understood why Lynne was that person.]] It's about the only thing I never got about this game and I keep wondering if it was explained somewhere and I managed to miss it.
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* Why didn't [[spoiler: Yomiel's body]] have a core that Sissel could go into [[spoiler: at the beginning of the game]]?
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* Why didn't Sissel agree to [[spoiler: Let Lynne get crushed so they could retry the final mission? Since this was before her first death, her soul wouldn't be awake, and characters have been shown to not be aware of what happened to them if they were not a part of the Ghost Trick. Plus, she was unconscious at the time, she wouldn't remember betting crushed anyways and would probably chalk it up to being a really bad nightmare. Or they could just redo Yomiel's death and have Yomiel helping the entire time.]]

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* Why didn't Sissel agree to [[spoiler: Let Lynne get crushed so they could retry the final mission? Since this was before her first death, her soul wouldn't be awake, and characters have been shown to not be aware of what happened to them if they were not a part of the Ghost Trick. Plus, she was unconscious at the time, she wouldn't remember betting crushed anyways and would probably chalk it up to being a really bad nightmare. Or they could just redo Yomiel's death and have Yomiel helping the entire time.]]]]
* Why didn't [[spoiler: Yomiel's body]] have a core that Sissel could go into [[spoiler: at the beginning of the game]]?
* Why do those guards never learn not to fall through the trapdoor after the first time they do it?
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* [[spoiler:If animals can get powers of the dead too, then why don't we ever see the ghosts of any tiny animals such as insects? There must have been some that died within the radiation.]]
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** An alternate explanation: they just go back to the moment when the person ''would have'' died if their fate had not been changed. Most of the time, it might as well be the present, but this time... nope.

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** An alternate explanation: they just go back to the moment when the person ''would have'' died if their fate had not been changed. Most of the time, it might as well be the present, but this time... nope.nope.
* Why didn't Sissel agree to [[spoiler: Let Lynne get crushed so they could retry the final mission? Since this was before her first death, her soul wouldn't be awake, and characters have been shown to not be aware of what happened to them if they were not a part of the Ghost Trick. Plus, she was unconscious at the time, she wouldn't remember betting crushed anyways and would probably chalk it up to being a really bad nightmare. Or they could just redo Yomiel's death and have Yomiel helping the entire time.]]
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* [[spoiler:If animals can get powers of the dead too, then why don't we ever see the ghosts of any tiny animals such as insects? There must have been some that died within the radiation.]]



** An alternate explanation: they just go back to the moment when the person ''would have'' died if their fate had not been changed. Most of the time, it might as well be the present, but this time... nope.

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** An alternate explanation: they just go back to the moment when the person ''would have'' died if their fate had not been changed. Most of the time, it might as well be the present, but this time... nope.
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Personally, while I don't think that any of that ''excuses'' him -- Yomiel himself said it best, that nothing he could do would be enough to excuse him -- I think that what he did after going back to the past, along with willingly spending ten years in jail to pay for the crimes that he still did commit in the changed timeline, ''and'' the fact that they [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned a happy ending]] and no one but the four of them would ever remember all of that suffering, it's [[{{YMMV}} conceivably]] enough to ''forgive'' him. Not forgive his actions, but to forgive Yomiel himself.]] Or at least put the past where it belongs and move on.\\

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Personally, while I don't think that any of that ''excuses'' him -- Yomiel himself said it best, that nothing he could do would be enough to excuse him -- I think that what he did after going back to the past, along with willingly spending ten years in jail to pay for the crimes that he still did commit in the changed timeline, ''and'' the fact that they [[EarnYourHappyEnding earned a happy ending]] and no one but the four of them would ever remember all of that suffering, it's [[{{YMMV}} conceivably]] conceivably enough to ''forgive'' him. Not forgive his actions, but to forgive Yomiel himself.]] Or at least put the past where it belongs and move on.\\
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*** [[spoiler:It's stated by Yomiel that powers change over time. I guess this means Sissel's powers had limits at first, so he could only manipulate certain objects, like Yomiel who couldn't immediatly possess people but could later on.]]

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*** [[spoiler:It's stated by Yomiel and future!Missile that powers change over time. I guess this means Sissel's powers had limits at first, so he could only manipulate certain objects, like Yomiel who couldn't immediatly possess people but could later on.]]
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*** [[spoiler:It's stated by Yomiel that powers change over time. I guess this means Sissel's powers had limits at first, so he could only manipulate certain objects, like Yomiel who couldn't immediatly possess people but could later on.]]
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** We're talking about the powers of the dead here. It doesn't have to make sense. (This actually explains almost everything on this page.)


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** It doesn't need to be the new present, if only because defining what the "present" is while time travel is involved is [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble hard.]] They probably go back to the point when a major change happens, in much the same way that, as an example, making Kamila drop the headphones into the fish tank counts as a fate change, but making the doughnut cart roll across the room doesn't. The "major change" just has to be something bigger, like averting a death, or [[spoiler:changing who is hit by the Temsik meteor shard.]]
** An alternate explanation: they just go back to the moment when the person ''would have'' died if their fate had not been changed. Most of the time, it might as well be the present, but this time... nope.
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** This is explained as soon as it is lampshaded. Sissel wonders why he still fell after [[spoiler: Jeego]] died, but then Cabanela plays the rest of the tape to show the black cat push him to the ground. [[spoiler: This makes sense when we realize that the cat is posessed, and Yomiel has reason to make his body fall to the ground.]]


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** In-universe, it doesn't make sense, but the recurring theme is obviously theater, so everything in the world revolves around what the audience is able to see, without using closeups. Ever. There are many parts where sissel could accomplish more if he could adjust his view. For example, when [[spoiler:saving Lynne]] in The Chicken Kitchen, Sissel can't see inside a case because it is locked. Yet he sees through walls all the time. If I had a closeup perspective and had the same perspective inside the case, then [[spoiler: he could have found Kamila much sooner.]]

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** Escaping interrogation would have shat all over his case for [[spoiler:not being a spy]], so it's possible that he was never able to clear his name [[spoiler:in the new timeline, even though he had been cleared in the game's timeline]]. Even if he ''was'' found not-guilty of that, he still would have been charged with theft ([[spoiler:of a ''weapon'']]), hostage-taking ([[spoiler:of a ''child'']]), threatening a police officer, resisting arrest... [[spoiler:saving Lynne]] doesn't change that. All of it could easily add up to 10 years, especially given that he would have been tried in an ''AceAttorney'' KangarooCourt.

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** Escaping interrogation would have shat all over his case for [[spoiler:not being a spy]], so it's possible that he was never able to clear his name [[spoiler:in the new timeline, even though he had been cleared in the game's timeline]]. Even if he ''was'' found not-guilty of that, he still would have been charged with theft ([[spoiler:of a ''weapon'']]), hostage-taking ([[spoiler:of ([[spoiler: a ''child'']]), threatening a police officer, resisting arrest... [[spoiler:saving Lynne]] doesn't change that. All of it could easily add up to 10 years, especially given that he would have been tried in an ''AceAttorney'' KangarooCourt.


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**[[spoiler: How bout this: He fled police interrogation, took a hostage, and --this is the big thing-- they probably think that he shot Jowd in the leg. He was holding a gun and suddenly something flies into his pursuer's leg and he starts bleeding. It's not a stretch to get that much jailtime, especially when one considers he was probably in court a few years.]]
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* Which objects have cores for you to possess seems really arbitrary. Was any explanation ever given for why you can possess a police officer's nightstick, but not his badge, or his hat, or wallet, or etc? One puzzle requires you to possess a shirt on a clothesline, but you can never possess any clothing that anyone is wearing. Except for body armor being worn by prison guards. Huh? Is there any logic behind those cores in inanimate objects?

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* Which objects have cores for you to possess seems really arbitrary. Was any explanation ever given for why you can possess a police officer's nightstick, but not his badge, or his hat, or wallet, or etc? One puzzle requires you to possess a shirt on a clothesline, but you can never possess any clothing that anyone is wearing. Except for body armor being worn by prison guards. Huh? Is there any logic behind those cores in inanimate objects?objects?
*[[spoiler: Why is Sissel's name still Sissel after the ten years? The explanation given is that Jowd names him that, but as shown by every other example of time travel in the game, the characters that remember the adventure would immediately go back to the new present. Therefore, Jowd of the "Ten Years Ago" incident would not know that Sissel's name is Sissel, and the only way he could name him after Yomiel's Sissel would be to change his name after having him for ten years.]]
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* In the first chapter, how did Sissel's/[[spoiler: Yomiel's]] get to the bottom floor of the junkyard? The assassin Jeego originally kicked his corpse down there after killing Lynne, but when Sissel changed her fate by killing Jeego, he also prevented the corpse from being knocked down. Yet when you return to the present, it's still been moved, but now without a cause. The game even lampshades this paradox, but it's never explained.

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* In the first chapter, how did Sissel's/[[spoiler: Yomiel's]] corpse get to the bottom floor of the junkyard? The assassin Jeego originally kicked his corpse down there after killing Lynne, but when Sissel changed her fate by killing Jeego, he also prevented the corpse from being knocked down. Yet when you return to the present, it's still been moved, but now without a cause. The game even lampshades this paradox, but it's never explained.
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*** He was probably afraid that she would resist his control and he would fail to save her. Remember that the last time he tried to possess Lynne, her consciousness resisted so strongly that he messed up [[spoiler: and accidentally killed his beloved pet Sissel, kicking off the entire plot and eventually leading to the creation of an alternate timeline.]]



** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]

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** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]]]
* In the first chapter, how did Sissel's/[[spoiler: Yomiel's]] get to the bottom floor of the junkyard? The assassin Jeego originally kicked his corpse down there after killing Lynne, but when Sissel changed her fate by killing Jeego, he also prevented the corpse from being knocked down. Yet when you return to the present, it's still been moved, but now without a cause. The game even lampshades this paradox, but it's never explained.
* How does missile's ghost power make any sense? He can "swap two objects that have the same shape." Okay, but many of the objects you can switch only have the same shape from the ''point of view of the fourth wall''. For example, switching a trap door and a garbage can lid. Those two things only look the same when viewed as a cross-section from their edge - to any of the characters in the actual game, they look absolutely nothing alike. Yet you can still swap them. Similarly, swapping a spinning tire and a basketball only works if you time it so the swap is performed when the tire is viewed from round side, and not the narrow tread. What's up with that?
* Which objects have cores for you to possess seems really arbitrary. Was any explanation ever given for why you can possess a police officer's nightstick, but not his badge, or his hat, or wallet, or etc? One puzzle requires you to possess a shirt on a clothesline, but you can never possess any clothing that anyone is wearing. Except for body armor being worn by prison guards. Huh? Is there any logic behind those cores in inanimate objects?
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** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]
* Regarding the so-called "impossible move": [[spoiler:Cabanela and the Professor form the theory of a "manipulator" after they re-create the Rube Goldberg machine and cannot find a way to replicate the turn of the Cupid statue: the "impossible move". The problem is that Yomiel can only manipulate ''living'' creatures, and could not have "manipulated" the Cupid in the way Cabanela and the Professor theorise. Furthermore, if Yomiel possessed Kamila and made her sabotage the device, there would still be evidence of the method she used to make the Cupid turn, unless Jowd destroyed it as part of his arrangement of the scene. Is this a genuine plot hole, or a case of Cabanela and the Professor being RightForTheWrongReasons?]]

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** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]
* Regarding the so-called "impossible move": [[spoiler:Cabanela and the Professor form the theory of a "manipulator" after they re-create the Rube Goldberg machine and cannot find a way to replicate the turn of the Cupid statue: the "impossible move". The problem is that Yomiel can only manipulate ''living'' creatures, and could not have "manipulated" the Cupid in the way Cabanela and the Professor theorise. Furthermore, if Yomiel possessed Kamila and made her sabotage the device, there would still be evidence of the method she used to make the Cupid turn, unless Jowd destroyed it as part of his arrangement of the scene. Is this a genuine plot hole, or a case of Cabanela and the Professor being RightForTheWrongReasons?]]
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** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]

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** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]]]
* Regarding the so-called "impossible move": [[spoiler:Cabanela and the Professor form the theory of a "manipulator" after they re-create the Rube Goldberg machine and cannot find a way to replicate the turn of the Cupid statue: the "impossible move". The problem is that Yomiel can only manipulate ''living'' creatures, and could not have "manipulated" the Cupid in the way Cabanela and the Professor theorise. Furthermore, if Yomiel possessed Kamila and made her sabotage the device, there would still be evidence of the method she used to make the Cupid turn, unless Jowd destroyed it as part of his arrangement of the scene. Is this a genuine plot hole, or a case of Cabanela and the Professor being RightForTheWrongReasons?]]
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* Regarding the ending, [[spoiler:how did Missile-prime manage to get back in time to ten years ago on the first iteration? He's explicitly stated to not have the ability to go through phone lines, and without Sissel going around throwing a wrench into people's plans, things should have gone very differently -- most of the other characters involved in the submarine raid would have been dead. He also couldn't have snuck in with Yomiel -- his only other connection to the sub -- since Yomiel has the ability to detect ghosts. So how did he end up in the submarine where Yomiel's body was discarded?]]

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* Regarding the ending, [[spoiler:how did Missile-prime manage to get back in time to ten years ago on the first iteration? He's explicitly stated to not have the ability to go through phone lines, and without Sissel going around throwing a wrench into people's plans, things should have gone very differently -- most of the other characters involved in the submarine raid would have been dead. He also couldn't have snuck in with Yomiel -- his only other connection to the sub -- since Yomiel has the ability to detect ghosts. So how did he end up in the submarine where Yomiel's body was discarded?]]discarded?]]
** [[spoiler:Remember that Yomiel can't see a ghost without actually looking for it; you're able to freely manipulate things when he's standing right next to you without him noticing, as long as it's not something big. Also, Missile can jump from core to core even if they're a good distance away, so finding a path isn't as hard for him as it is for Sissel. As long as he's able to get on the sub with Yomiel, he wouldn't have much of a problem getting to his body.]]
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** Maybe she was dealing with the situation by ignoring it?
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* Why is Kamila so calm [[spoiler: when we first learn she was kidnapped? When Dandy approaches her to kidnap her in the park, she is frightened and tries to resist, but by the time they meet up with Beauty, Kamila is calmly reading a book, seemingly oblivious to her situation.]]

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* Why is Kamila so calm [[spoiler: when we first learn she was kidnapped? When Dandy approaches her to kidnap her in the park, she is frightened and tries to resist, but by the time they meet up with Beauty, Kamila is calmly reading a book, seemingly oblivious to her situation.]]]]
* Regarding the ending, [[spoiler:how did Missile-prime manage to get back in time to ten years ago on the first iteration? He's explicitly stated to not have the ability to go through phone lines, and without Sissel going around throwing a wrench into people's plans, things should have gone very differently -- most of the other characters involved in the submarine raid would have been dead. He also couldn't have snuck in with Yomiel -- his only other connection to the sub -- since Yomiel has the ability to detect ghosts. So how did he end up in the submarine where Yomiel's body was discarded?]]
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** He might be concerned that [[spoiler:they'd have successfully kidnapped her by that point. And either way, he needed to ''prove'' to the minister that his daughter was safe -- his word wouldn't count for anything.]]
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**** No. Sith was merely disagreeing with his methods, not his goal. The impression I get is that [[spoiler:Yomiel's main reason for going along with Sith was so that he would give him a new life to live.]] For him, it was worth killing for, and he wouldn't abandon it just because he doesn't get his revenge the way he wants.
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** After all [[spoiler:he is now a walking Schrödinger's Cat.]]


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** Well of course, a black coat would be more practical as it would ''hide the stains better'' than a white coat.
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** There are several possible reasons. My personal theory, however, is that he wanted Jowd to know that ''he'' was the one to save her. He was probably feeling pretty self-sacrificial at the time too, and that was a route that could easily have resulted in his death -- something that he may have wanted. Also, it might have just not occurred to him to do so. He manipulates his own body a lot (And it seems easier for him to do so -- he manipulated his own corpse with ease during a period where he was otherwise unable to manipulate anything other than small objects and small creatures) so he might have done it simply because there was less chance of the possessee resisting him subconsciously or him just plain losing control.

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** There are several possible reasons. My personal theory, however, is that he wanted Jowd to know that ''he'' was the one to save her. He was probably feeling pretty self-sacrificial at the time too, and that was a route that could easily have resulted in his death -- something that he may have wanted. Also, it might have just not occurred to him to do so. He manipulates his own body a lot (And it seems easier for him to do so -- he manipulated his own corpse with ease during a period where he was otherwise unable to manipulate anything other than small objects and small creatures) so he might have done it simply because there was less chance of the possessee resisting him subconsciously or him just plain losing control.control.
* Why didn't Beauty and Dandy notice [[spoiler: that they had kidnapped Kamila instead of Amelie? They had a recording of Amelie's voice, so they should have realized that something wasn't right when Kamila spoke.]]
* Why is Kamila so calm [[spoiler: when we first learn she was kidnapped? When Dandy approaches her to kidnap her in the park, she is frightened and tries to resist, but by the time they meet up with Beauty, Kamila is calmly reading a book, seemingly oblivious to her situation.]]
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** I don't think they do. Didn't one control readying, and the other moving into the tube and firing? Missile was moving the switch itself, not its connections. Imagine you could replace the switch by your front door with the one in the hall closet. If it is a plot hole, Imma chalk it up to RuleOfFun.

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