History Headscratchers / GhostTrick

4th May '18 3:08:45 AM laytonfan11
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** In fiction in general, animals who are given full blown personalities tend to act like your typical humans when it comes to interpersonal relations, since it would just be rather weird if they didn't. As unrelated an example as it may be, if ''Film/FindingNemo'' was accurate to the breeding process of real clown fish, [[{{Quick}} it would've been an ''entirely'' different type of movie.]]

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** In fiction in general, animals who are given full blown personalities tend to act like your typical humans when it comes to interpersonal relations, since it would just be rather weird if they didn't. As unrelated an example as it may be, if ''Film/FindingNemo'' ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' was accurate to the breeding process of real clown fish, [[{{Quick}} it would've been an ''entirely'' different type of movie.]]
4th May '18 3:06:40 AM laytonfan11
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* Related to the above, why does Sissel seem to generally process the world akin to a human? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.

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* Related to the above, why does Sissel seem to generally process the world akin to a human? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.animal.
** In fiction in general, animals who are given full blown personalities tend to act like your typical humans when it comes to interpersonal relations, since it would just be rather weird if they didn't. As unrelated an example as it may be, if ''Film/FindingNemo'' was accurate to the breeding process of real clown fish, [[{{Quick}} it would've been an ''entirely'' different type of movie.]]
25th Apr '18 2:58:04 AM themerryman
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* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? More to the point why does Sissel process the world like a human would? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.

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* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? More Hell, Sissel's first few lines when he wakes up after dying is about seeing a man "with a gun", and that a "poor woman is about get shot". How does he know what a gun is, that it being pointed at the woman is a bad thing? How does he know what a restaurant is? How does he know what a waitress is, what a chef does, what a detective does, how does he know about concepts like hippies, why does he understand religious & mythical concepts like gods? How does he know what an "troubled family" is like by human standards? Why does he know that the novelist-mother was writing stories? Why does he have a concept of gluttony when cats eat based on instinct? Why does he know what a rock concert is, what "national secrets" are, and why leaking them is a bad thing. Why does he know what a siege is, what curry & rice is, and why it's stupid to hold siege to a police station to get some? Why does he know what a Rube Goldberg machine is? Why does he know what a newspaper is? Why does he know what rocks are--I think you get my point by now.
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to the point above, why does Sissel seem to generally process the world like akin to a human would? human? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.
24th Apr '18 10:35:14 PM themerryman
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* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? More to the point why does Sissel process the world like a human would? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.

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* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? More to the point why does Sissel process the world like a human would? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. This isn't something he could've just subconsciously begun treating like normal either, he just flat out wouldn't know the concepts exist. When a cat sees a human couple, it isn't thinking "oh, so humans must have monogamous relationships", that isn't how the thought process of an animal works. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". Being put off by murder I get, but the ability to process the actual moral conscious side of it is a strictly human ability. There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.
24th Apr '18 10:31:32 PM themerryman
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* Why doesn't Cabenela let the Pigeon Man help Lynne after she gets shot? He was a medical examiner before becoming a superintendent, he would be ''far'' more likely to be helpful in this sort of situation than the fraud doctor (who Cabenela ''knows'' is a fraud at this point).

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* Why doesn't Cabenela let the Pigeon Man help Lynne after she gets shot? He was a medical examiner before becoming a superintendent, he would be ''far'' more likely to be helpful in this sort of situation than the fraud doctor (who Cabenela ''knows'' is a fraud at this point).point).
* As clever and great a plot twist as it was, when you think about it, Sissel being a cat doesn't make too much sense. For starters, how does Sissel know what a railway crossing gate is? Or what telephones are used for? More to the point why does Sissel process the world like a human would? I understand why Sissel assumed he was human, and from that, I can get that he might act a bit more human-esque then normal, considering he'd be subconsciously acting like the humans he's witnessed as a cat, but his personality is exactly like a human's. Just to use an example, he thinks about romance in the typical monogamous way that most people do. As a cat, he shouldn't even understand monogamous relationships, let alone consider it the norm. He knows about concepts like a "wife" and "husband" and marriage in general, but a cat wouldn't understand the idea of two humans being together like that. He also feels the moral weight of concepts like shooting someone, which is something a cat also cannot process. They may be able to feel emotions over things like death (although this is heavily up for the debate), but Sissel should not understand the idea that murdering someone is a "bad thing, no matter the reason". There's a ton of other examples like this too. His personality is just far too close to that of a human, then an animal.
13th Feb '18 2:33:07 PM sheika
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*** Not an answer so much as a little thing to be considered, but [[spoiler:Yomiel wore the Temsik Fragment for ten years. So after it got extracted, a good part of the Fragment's radiation should have sticked around]]. Maybe that changed the rules somewhat?
3rd Jan '18 5:54:33 PM pisoprano
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* Couldn't [[spoiler:Ray have posessed Lynne's corpse in the first timeline to go back before her death and convince Sissel to help, rather than wait ten years?]]

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* Couldn't [[spoiler:Ray have posessed possessed Lynne's corpse in the first timeline to go back before her death and convince Sissel to help, rather than wait ten years?]]years?]]
* Why doesn't Cabenela let the Pigeon Man help Lynne after she gets shot? He was a medical examiner before becoming a superintendent, he would be ''far'' more likely to be helpful in this sort of situation than the fraud doctor (who Cabenela ''knows'' is a fraud at this point).
16th Nov '17 8:18:56 AM Zaltys
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*** [[spoiler: In fact you can clearly see that shoot through Jowd's leg and lands somewhere behind him.]]

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*** [[spoiler: In fact fact, you can clearly see that the fragment shoot through Jowd's leg and lands somewhere behind him.leg.]]
16th Nov '17 8:17:58 AM Zaltys
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*** [[spoiler: In fact you can clearly see that shoot through Jowd's leg and lands somewhere behind him.]]
16th Nov '17 7:50:35 AM Zaltys
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** [[spoiler: Cabanela bribed the fake doc and so Yomiel ended up spending most of the night looking for his body. This did not happen in the first timeline, likely because Cabanela was too occupied with Lynne's death.]]
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