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** Considering Maduin and several other espers communicated to the party as magicite, this could be very likely. Or at minimum, if only certain espers could talk while magicite, they would likely know one another's names.
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** It is unlikely that the empire's military might without magic was ineffective against the espers. We see Edgar's tools, powerful bushido from Cyan, Gau learning how to harness the power of monsters, and so on. It's not unbelievable to think the Empire had some super-powered steam punk tech that simply relied on missile or bullet spam. They could have unleashed monsters to soften up espers, or what we don't see is how much the empire lost just to bag a handful of espers.
** To that point, four espers managed to escape the magitek factory. This troper can't recall if the escape was recent or sometime during the intervening 17 years, but clearly not push overs if they could manage that. Furthermore, some espers may have managed to evade capture but were busy holding off the empire outside the gates, seeing as espers like Golem are available in WoB but not directly linked to the magitek factory in any way. Also a curious idea: Maybe the empire's reliance on magitek made them worse, not better, at battling espers?
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*** I don't know what you guys are talking about. Kefka is not on the train in the CGI cutscenes, it only shows Shadow attacking the robed ghosts.
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** When he's behind their unavailability, as Wiki/ThisVeryWiki speculates.

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** When he's behind their unavailability, as Wiki/ThisVeryWiki Website/ThisVeryWiki speculates.
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*** Yes, but the point is, Locke's defense of her only makes sense if Cyan is accusing her of being evil simply for being an Imperial citizen (ala AllGermansAreNazis.) That's clearly not what Cyan is saying - he says that Celes, specifically and personally, committed specific individual crimes which he feels she needs to account for. Locke's response makes no sense in that context. He doesn't say "yes, she did those things but she's different now", he implies that Cyan is only accusing her of crimes because she's an Imperial citizen through guilt by association, which is nonsense that totally ignores what Cyan actually said.
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** Also, Kefka's Tower is not his "Monument to Nonexistent", that was going to be him destroying (literally) everything.

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** Also, Kefka's Tower is not his "Monument to Nonexistent", Nonexistence", that was going to be him destroying (literally) everything.
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\n**Also, Kefka's Tower is not his "Monument to Nonexistent", that was going to be him destroying (literally) everything.
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* It's possible the Empire ''did'' indoctrinate Terra, but, prior to the start of the game, she started to realize the Empire was evil, ''then'' they put the slave crown on her.

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* It's possible the Empire ''did'' indoctrinate Terra, but, prior to the start of the game, she started to realize the Empire was evil, ''then'' they put the slave crown on her. Alternatively, she was more valuable to them as a lab experiment, and she never had real loyalty to her captors.
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* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to the Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers talked about something in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate. Also, if the Traid were the source of all magic like they say a few times, it would make sense that they were located in the World of Balance, since peole can cast magic there. This also explains why the Espers in the Esper World were able to be captured so easily when Gestahl attacked years ago, when he captured Terra. Their magic was weak since the Triad was in the other world. Though, if the Triad statues were in the World of Balance, I'm unclear why there was a shot of Gestahl and Kefka in front of the Esper Gate.

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* We se see Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to the Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers talked about something in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate. Also, if the Traid were the source of all magic like they say a few times, it would make sense that they were located in the World of Balance, since peole people can cast magic there. This also explains why the Espers in the Esper World were able to be captured so easily when Gestahl attacked years ago, when he captured Terra. Their magic was weak since the Triad was in the other world. Though, if the Triad statues were in the World of Balance, I'm unclear why there was a shot of Gestahl and Kefka in front of the Esper Gate.
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* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to the Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers talked about somehting in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate. Also, if the Traid were the source of ll magic liek they sy a few time,s it would make sense tht they wer elocated in the World of Balance, since peole can cast magic there. This also explains why the Espers in the Esper World were able to be captured so easily when Gestahl attacked years ago, when eh captured Terra. Their magic was wek since the Triad was in the other world. Though, if the Triad statues were in the World of Balance, I'm unclear why there was a shot of Gestahl and Kefka in front of the Esper Gate.

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* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to the Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers talked about somehting something in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate. Also, if the Traid were the source of ll all magic liek like they sy say a few time,s times, it would make sense tht that they wer elocated were located in the World of Balance, since peole can cast magic there. This also explains why the Espers in the Esper World were able to be captured so easily when Gestahl attacked years ago, when eh he captured Terra. Their magic was wek weak since the Triad was in the other world. Though, if the Triad statues were in the World of Balance, I'm unclear why there was a shot of Gestahl and Kefka in front of the Esper Gate.

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* It's possible the Empire ''did'' indoctrinate Terra, but, prior to the start of the game, she started to realize the Empire was evil, ''then'' they put the slave crown on her.



** This line makes me beleive that, at this point in the sotry, Kefka has been given a spell to nullify magic. Basically a suped up form of Rnuic that allow him to sap all the magic from its target, and since Espers are magic beings, having ll their magic taken turns them into magicite.



* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to teh Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers tlked about somehting in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate.

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* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to teh the Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers tlked talked about somehting in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate.gate. Also, if the Traid were the source of ll magic liek they sy a few time,s it would make sense tht they wer elocated in the World of Balance, since peole can cast magic there. This also explains why the Espers in the Esper World were able to be captured so easily when Gestahl attacked years ago, when eh captured Terra. Their magic was wek since the Triad was in the other world. Though, if the Triad statues were in the World of Balance, I'm unclear why there was a shot of Gestahl and Kefka in front of the Esper Gate.

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** But the real answer is: In the original ending, she did die, but it was too much of a downer for the test audiences, so they changed it. Also, Esper doesn't look like a cute monster girl to me. Least, here's the official concept art I found: [[http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/b/bb/Terra_Esper.jpg]] [[http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/14205/417760-6_terra_morph_a.jpg]]

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** But the real answer is: In the original ending, she did die, but it was too much of a downer for the test audiences, so they changed it. Also, Esper doesn't look like a cute monster girl to me. Least, here's the official concept art I found: [[http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/b/bb/Terra_Esper.jpg]] jpg concept]] [[http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/14205/417760-6_terra_morph_a.jpg]]jpg art]] I found.


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* We se Gestahl and Kefka approach the Gate to teh Esper World. We then have a cutscene where the continent lifts up out of the ground. Then we see Gestahl and Kefka on the continent in front of the Warring Triad statues. Were the statues originally in the Esper World, and Gestahl and Kefka did something to them to bring them into the World of Balance? Were they in the World of Balance to begin with? I had thought the game implied the later because of the part where Espers tlked about somehting in the World of Balance giving them a rush of power when they passed through the gate.
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*** It's not that she ''couldn't'', but that it would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. If you're playing along with someone's demands in order to trick them into lowering their guard for a sucker punch, you then proceed with the sucker punch - not make a big scene of having a change of heart and completely ruin the very element of surprise you were trying to achieve.
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* So is Terra's official hair color [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair Green]], or Blonde? I've been wondering that for a long time.

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* So is Terra's official hair color [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair Green]], green, or Blonde? blonde? I've been wondering that for a long time.
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** Also personal fan fiction: The planet Final Fantasy 6 takes place on has a creature of [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Lavos's]] species living deep beneath the surface. It lured Kefka to its Frozen Flame to power him up as part of a ''BatmanGambit'' to damage the planet so it could walk the surface. Just like how 'Baba, Death Gaze, and the 8 Dragons were freed from earthly containment in the main game.

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** Also personal fan fiction: The planet Final Fantasy 6 takes place on has a creature of [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Lavos's]] species living deep beneath the surface. It lured Kefka to its Frozen Flame to power him up as part of a ''BatmanGambit'' to damage the planet so it could walk the surface. Just like how 'Baba, Death Gaze, and the 8 Dragons were freed from earthly containment in the main game. Glad I'm not the only one who sees the sudden jump in Kefka's power level as a glaring plot hole.
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*** Celes 'is' an Imperial citizen - citizens are people that live in a city/country. So by all counts, Locke's quote 'can' also refer to Celes. Do not mistake "citizen" for "civilian" - while "civilians" are "citizens", "citizen" also include the military corps.

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*** Celes 'is' ''is'' an Imperial citizen - citizens are people that live in a city/country. So by all counts, Locke's quote 'can' ''can'' also refer to Celes. Do not mistake "citizen" for "civilian" - while "civilians" are "citizens", "citizen" also include the military corps.
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*** Celes _is_ an Imperial citizen - citizens are people that live in a city/country. So by all counts, Locke's quote _can_ also refer to Celes. Do not mistake "citizen" for "civilian" - while "civilians" are "citizens", "citizen" also include the military corps.

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*** Celes _is_ 'is' an Imperial citizen - citizens are people that live in a city/country. So by all counts, Locke's quote _can_ 'can' also refer to Celes. Do not mistake "citizen" for "civilian" - while "civilians" are "citizens", "citizen" also include the military corps.

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*** Celes _is_ an Imperial citizen - citizens are people that live in a city/country. So by all counts, Locke's quote _can_ also refer to Celes. Do not mistake "citizen" for "civilian" - while "civilians" are "citizens", "citizen" also include the military corps.





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\n** "Seems"? You can't really tell where Kefka was stabbed thanks to the sprites, so he may have been stabbed somewhere that can still leave him jumping around as he did. [[FinalFantasyVIII But then again, people wondered why a mercenary didn't die of an ice shard hitting around their shoulder and a 3D cutscene...]]






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\n*** Especially so in the situation he is in. Think about it. He is TheMole for the Returners, and the Empire is growing stronger by the day. It was but a matter of time before the Empire wisens up to the treachery and deal with him, one matter or another. You could see Edgar being CrazyPrepared in that behavior, but the Empire is willing to poison a whole kingdom to extinction, so it's more Edgar working his intel to prevent anything untowards, and that includes Shadow being hired to kill him.





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*** Espers seems to turn into Magicite after being killed in battle of giving up their life force for a human. Maybe extracting their power weakens their magic (Which would explain why Summons are CoolButInefficient in the game), and their bodies don't have the necessary magic to turn into Magicites?
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** Also personal fan fiction: The planet Final Fantasy 6 takes place on has a creature of [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Lavos's]] species living deep beneath the surface. It lured Kefka to its Frozen Flame to power him up as part of a ''BatmanGambit'' to damage the planet so it could walk the surface. Just like how 'Baba, Death Gaze, and the 8 Dragons were freed from earthly containment in the main game.
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*** [[TheSimpsons Just like in real life.]]

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** [[ShootTheDog My first impression]] was similar to what was made apparent of the Thieve's Guld in FF 9. The Thieve's Guild "sort of" gets disbanded, I think, somewhere around the 3rd disc. Not officially, just in that much of the conflict that was generating their need/profit of thievery had been resolved, especially due to the companionship between Zidane and Garnet. Logically, dramatic, or, rather, heavy emphasis on Thieve's Guild related ties, went by the wayside. Similarly, Banon and Arvis were significant companions of Edgar and Locke, but also weren't the only two others who were part of The Returners, just the two "showcased" for plot effect, so they stand out to the player as, probably [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve omg]] (pardon lol) "the most important" friends-of-Edgar-and-Locke/members-of-The-Returners. Further, Edgar, as royalty, saw a constant "flux" of personel, and probably wrote off the "extravagance" of their companionship by default experience. Locke is technically a hair's breadth from cold-blooded when it comes to getting sidetracked by "goose-chases" by the Floating Continent portion of the game. These two personality traits combined with the direness of the situation lead me to believe, srsly, there was no time to try and find them, have a little pity-pot or back slapping party, and tell them, "Look, screw you guys, we're getting involved with the source of all magic, probably some head's are gonna fly, and probably they will be yours if you insist on following.". Given the likelihood of this scenario, they chose not to search for their friends, also, only to inform them that they themselves would be leaving them promptly, and likely perishing. Ugh, even after all that I realize they could have at least mentioned them and their intentions at some point (there was damn opera for crying out loud) but THAT made me realize, that aside from Celes solitary segment, there really are exactly zero portions of the game where the party gets together to [[BrainBleach solemnly consider any type of anything]]. [[ThreeSecondSilence Waiting]] for Gau on the Veldt does not count.

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** [[ShootTheDog My first impression]] was similar to what was made apparent of the Thieve's Guld in FF 9. The Thieve's Guild "sort of" gets disbanded, I think, somewhere around the 3rd disc. Not officially, just in that much of the conflict that was generating their need/profit of thievery had been resolved, especially due to the companionship between Zidane and Garnet. Logically, dramatic, or, rather, heavy emphasis on Thieve's Guild related ties, went by the wayside. Similarly, Banon and Arvis were significant companions of Edgar and Locke, but also weren't the only two others who were part of The Returners, just the two "showcased" for plot effect, so they stand out to the player as, probably [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve omg]] (pardon lol) "the most important" friends-of-Edgar-and-Locke/members-of-The-Returners. Further, Edgar, as royalty, saw a constant "flux" of personel, and probably wrote off the "extravagance" of their companionship by default experience. Locke is technically a hair's breadth from cold-blooded when it comes to getting sidetracked by "goose-chases" by the Floating Continent portion of the game. These two personality traits combined with the direness of the situation lead me to believe, srsly, there was no time to try and find them, have a little pity-pot or back slapping party, and tell them, "Look, screw you guys, we're getting involved with the source of all magic, probably some head's are gonna fly, and probably they will be yours if you insist on following.". Given the likelihood of this scenario, they chose not to search for their friends, also, only to inform them that they themselves would be leaving them promptly, and likely perishing. Ugh, even after all that I realize they could have at least mentioned them and their intentions at some point (there was damn opera for crying out loud) but THAT made me realize, that aside from Celes solitary segment, there really are exactly zero portions of the game where the party gets together to [[BrainBleach solemnly consider any type of anything]]. [[ThreeSecondSilence Waiting]] Waiting for Gau on the Veldt does not count.
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** I hate to be a pest, but doesn't it rough out to about the same thing? "Phew. The Empire's made me a rich man" makes it sound like, he has plenty, who cares, let the good times roll, so to speak? and "Hmmm . . . Business has been awfully slow lately thanks to the Empire . . ." soooooo, again, no misgivings, will take what he can get. Since he's got virtually no backstory, it is SO purely a matter of semantics. The [[UnwinnableByMistake/FinalFantasy Airship]] wasn't free :/ [[GlobalAirship lol]].

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** I hate to be a pest, but doesn't it rough out to about the same thing? "Phew. The Empire's made me a rich man" makes it sound like, he has plenty, who cares, let the good times roll, so to speak? and "Hmmm . . . Business has been awfully slow lately thanks to the Empire . . ." soooooo, again, no misgivings, will take what he can get. Since he's got virtually no backstory, it is SO purely a matter of semantics. The [[UnwinnableByMistake/FinalFantasy [[UnintentionallyUnwinnable/FinalFantasy Airship]] wasn't free :/ [[GlobalAirship lol]].
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** [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Haha]] you guys. In the same manner of breathing underwater in a capsized row boat, they alternated, keeping the helmet upright. There was no corresponding [[HandWave air supply]] so I can only assume Magicite/Magitech or some such. [[DeaderThanDisco Enchantments]] be damned in FF6 it seems.

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** [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief Haha]] you guys. In the same manner of breathing underwater in a capsized row boat, they alternated, keeping the helmet upright. There was no corresponding [[HandWave air supply]] so I can only assume Magicite/Magitech or some such. [[DeaderThanDisco Enchantments]] Enchantments be damned in FF6 it seems.
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** Most of the townsfolk probably saw the Magitek soldiers go into the mines. Arvis probably followed them in to see what they were up to so he could report to the other Returners. He kept his distance so they wouldn't know he was following them, and by the time he'd caught up to them Wedge and Biggs were gone, Terra was unconscious, and all their mech suits were fried. Arvis figured out what happened, saw the slave crown Terra was wearing, realized she was BrainwashedAndCrazy and not truly responsible for her actions, and took her back to his house for treatment. While he was treating Terra, he also sent word to Edgar and asked him to send Locke to help get Terra out of Narshe.
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* That gate was sealed for a reason. When the Imperials first entered the Esper world, they completely stomped everyone there, easily kidnapping a bunch of them to drain their powers; in fact, this is the source of how the Empore got so powerful (which means that they were just some random city-state before then.) The Empire is vastly more powerful today than it was back then, and there's absolutely no reason to think the Espers have grown in power, so... wouldn't opening the sealed gate just end up giving the Empire a bunch of Espers and Magicite, further empowering them? As, in fact, happened? (This is basically the counterpoint to "how did Kefka beat, drain and capture Espers so easily" near the top of the page - the flip side is "why would anyone think the Empire ''wouldn't'' be able to beat the Espers so easily given that they did it before when they were much weaker and knew far less?")

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* That gate was sealed for a reason. When the Imperials first entered the Esper world, they completely stomped everyone there, easily kidnapping a bunch of them to drain their powers; in fact, this is the source of how the Empore Empire got so powerful (which means that they were just some random city-state before then.) The Empire is vastly more powerful today than it was back then, and there's absolutely no reason to think the Espers have grown in power, so... wouldn't opening the sealed gate just end up giving the Empire a bunch of Espers and Magicite, further empowering them? As, in fact, happened? (This is basically the counterpoint to "how did Kefka beat, drain and capture Espers so easily" near the top of the page - the flip side is "why would anyone think the Empire ''wouldn't'' be able to beat the Espers so easily given that they did it before when they were much weaker and knew far less?")
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*** But that doesn't match what Locke said! He doesn't say she's become a different person or is trying to redeem herself, he says that ''the empire is evil, but not all its citizens are'', as if Celes is simply a random Imperial citizen rather than one of its generals, responsible for (at least according to Cyan) specific, named war crimes.
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**** Even if Celes hadn't left the island, Edgar was already working to get Figero Castle working, and would have met up with Setzer, eventually getting the Falcon. Possibly Sabin would have found them as well. At that point they can unite most of the other heroes (and probably would have found Celes herself.)
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** I always assumed that the party members who stayed behind in Vector had to fight their way out before they took the Blackjack to Thamasa. The Empire's lured the Returners and Narshe guards right where they wanted them and massacred them after Locke and Terra left. Edgar and the rest of the player heroes were probably the only ones who survived, which means that Edgar probably saw Banon and Arvis die when the Empire attacked. He also probably told Locke and Terra off-screen. The game didn't focus on it because the player heroes are the only ones who could prevent Gestahl and Kefka from conquering the world.
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**It is stated in the game that Espers were once humans who got caught in the magical crossfire when the Warring Triad were battling each other. It is plausible a lot of those magic-using monsters were created in the same way from random fauna and flora that were also caught in the magical crossfire and mutated into what they are in the game.
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** I don't think the Empire knew exactly where the Espers were hiding. Locke, Shadow and Terra only learn where the Espers are after Strago tells them. The Empire also needs to draw the Espers out so they can be captured. Who would be better for allaying the Espers' suspicions than Terra?

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