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*** It's completely under the radar, but in the issue before the classic Galactus trilogy in ComicBook/FantasticFour, Maximus the Mad sets off a machine that the ComicBook/SilverSurfer appears to "hear" (in quotes because, you know, space). The subtext is that Maximus intentionally drew Galactus to Earth, [[OmnicidalManiac hoping to destroy the humans]] while Attilan was safe behind the negative zone barrier. So, in AoA, that didn't happen, and it took longer for Galactus to notice Earth on his own.
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*** Time Travel in the Marvel Universe explicitly doesn't work that way. Every time you travel through time you create an alternate universe and all changes you make to the timeline end up there. The base 616 universe remains unchanged. Villains like Kang actually weaponize this for things like infinite resurrections and self-team-ups. Of course, every time travel story that comes out insists that "this one actually changed the real timeline!" to preserve the drama, only to quietly 'retcon' it later by assigning an alternate universe number. In this case the Age of Apocalypse stories all happened on Earth-295.
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* How is Sugar-man's tongue able to kill Vincente despite the fact that he was in a gaseous form?!? a quote from TheOtherWiki : [[AC:On their way to find Illyana Rasputin, they unfortunately ran in to Sugar Man. Although they attempted to shoot the maniac, he stabbed the pair with his razor-sharp tongue, almost killing Husk and delivering a fatal blow to Vincente, ''even though he was in his gaseous form at the time.'']] I call shenanigans. This has irked me for more than a bloody decade.

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* How is Sugar-man's tongue able to kill Vincente despite the fact that he was in a gaseous form?!? a quote from TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki : [[AC:On their way to find Illyana Rasputin, they unfortunately ran in to Sugar Man. Although they attempted to shoot the maniac, he stabbed the pair with his razor-sharp tongue, almost killing Husk and delivering a fatal blow to Vincente, ''even though he was in his gaseous form at the time.'']] I call shenanigans. This has irked me for more than a bloody decade.
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** The AoA was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.

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** The AoA [=AoA=] was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.



* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.

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* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA.[=AoA=]. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.
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**** According to a canon comic book series [[RecursiveAdaptation spun off]] from the ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.

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**** According to a canon comic book series [[RecursiveAdaptation spun off]] from the ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.



* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA versions of those heroes and villains.

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* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA [=AoA=] versions of those heroes and villains.
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** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.

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** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.atoner.
* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA versions of those heroes and villains.
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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.

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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.excesses.
** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.
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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special". Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.

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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special".special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.
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* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.

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* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.be.
** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special". Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.
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*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?

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*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?route?
* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.
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** The AoA was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.



** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).

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** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).invasions).
*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?
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** Forget the Lucifer, what happened when ''Galactus'' came to Earth?

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** Forget the Lucifer, what happened when ''Galactus'' came to Earth?Earth?
** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).
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*** In theory, the M'Kraan Crystal could only destroy HALF of all universes, because the other half would be universes where the people worked out how to stop it.
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**** Those are different watchers.
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* What happened to the lucifer invansion?

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* What happened to the lucifer invansion?invansion?
** Forget the Lucifer, what happened when ''Galactus'' came to Earth?
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** The folks at Marvel eventually got the memo and in the 2005 miniseries Cyclops turned out to be alive. Havok was killed by Wolverine.
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*** So he should have been screwed at birth, seeing as how the vulva and the vagina are made of skin. Of course, she could have had a c section...


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* If you look at the final battle in the final publication of the arc, you'll notice that Cyclops and Havok shoot and kill each other. And no, not with guns or crossbows, but with their ''powers''. For those not in the know: this is freaking impossible!!!
* How is Sugar-man's tongue able to kill Vincente despite the fact that he was in a gaseous form?!? a quote from TheOtherWiki : [[AC:On their way to find Illyana Rasputin, they unfortunately ran in to Sugar Man. Although they attempted to shoot the maniac, he stabbed the pair with his razor-sharp tongue, almost killing Husk and delivering a fatal blow to Vincente, ''even though he was in his gaseous form at the time.'']] I call shenanigans. This has irked me for more than a bloody decade.
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** If all things are possible via alternate universes, then logically there's a universe that will prevent this from happening.
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**** Ouch. I think you just killed a piece of my childhood with that reveal.
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**** According to a canon comic book series spun off from the Series/{{X-Men}} Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.

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**** According to a canon comic book series [[RecursiveAdaptation spun off off]] from the Series/{{X-Men}} ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.
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** Plus as we've seen in the comics when the Carol Danvers personality was in control Rogue's powers actually do have an on/off switch she just for some psychological reason has a mental block she can't otherwise overcome. So as a mother her instincts would have had it shut down for at least the duration of her pregnancy where her fetus was concerned.

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** Plus as we've seen in the comics when the Carol Danvers personality was in control Rogue's powers actually do have an on/off switch she just for some psychological reason has a mental block she can't otherwise overcome. So as a mother her instincts would have had it shut down for at least the duration of her pregnancy where her fetus was concerned.concerned.
* What happened to the lucifer invansion?
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* how was Charles born? no really, Rogue repeatedly says that she can not touch him, so how did he touch her for 9 months?

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* how How was Charles born? no No really, Rogue repeatedly says that she can not touch him, so how did he touch her for 9 months?
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** Her power works on skin contact. Skin is on the outside, babies come from the inside.

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** Her power works on skin contact. Skin is on the outside, babies come from the inside.inside.
** Plus as we've seen in the comics when the Carol Danvers personality was in control Rogue's powers actually do have an on/off switch she just for some psychological reason has a mental block she can't otherwise overcome. So as a mother her instincts would have had it shut down for at least the duration of her pregnancy where her fetus was concerned.
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* how was Charles born? no really, Rogue repeatedly says that she can not touch him, so how did he touch her for 9 months?

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* how was Charles born? no really, Rogue repeatedly says that she can not touch him, so how did he touch her for 9 months?months?
** Her power works on skin contact. Skin is on the outside, babies come from the inside.

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* how was Charles born? no really, Rouge repeatedly says she can not touch him so how was he born?
** Who the heck is "Rouge"? A mutant who can cause makeup to appear on people?

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* how was Charles born? no really, Rouge Rogue repeatedly says that she can not touch him him, so how was did he born?
** Who the heck is "Rouge"? A mutant who can cause makeup to appear on people?
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**If a multiverse is made up of all possible universes, and there are universes that can cause the destruction of the entire multiverse, then it stands to reason those universes are not technically possible, because the multiverse still exists. Or, as has been already said: [[AWizardDidIt A Watcher did it]].
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* how was Charles born? no really, Rouge repeatedly says she can not touch him so how was he born?

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* how was Charles born? no really, Rouge repeatedly says she can not touch him so how was he born?born?
** Who the heck is "Rouge"? A mutant who can cause makeup to appear on people?
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**** So 90's cartoon Spider-Man is dead? That's depressing.

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**** So 90's cartoon Spider-Man is dead? That's depressing.depressing.
* how was Charles born? no really, Rouge repeatedly says she can not touch him so how was he born?
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**** According to a canon comic book series spun off from the Series/{{X-Men}} Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.

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**** According to a canon comic book series spun off from the Series/{{X-Men}} Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.universe.
**** So 90's cartoon Spider-Man is dead? That's depressing.
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***Or maybe they would have pressed "delete" when the other existences were in danger. Watchers adopt a watch and see attitude.

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***Or maybe they would have pressed "delete" when the other existences were in danger. Watchers adopt a watch and see attitude.attitude.
****According to a canon comic book series spun off from the Series/{{X-Men}} Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.

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