History Headscratchers / AgeOfApocalypse

26th Feb '15 8:25:51 PM Rhapsody
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** The AoA was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.

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** The AoA [=AoA=] was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.



* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.

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* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA.[=AoA=]. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.
2nd Nov '14 7:45:58 AM Anicomicgeek
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**** According to a canon comic book series [[RecursiveAdaptation spun off]] from the ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.

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**** According to a canon comic book series [[RecursiveAdaptation spun off]] from the ''WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}}'' ''WesternAnimation/XMen'' Animated Series, the M'Kraan Crystal was fractured, and destroyed the alternate universe of the 1990s Marvel cartoons. So, I think that when the M'Kraan Crystal is destroyed, it only takes with it its respective universe.



* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA versions of those heroes and villains.

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* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA [=AoA=] versions of those heroes and villains.
4th Oct '14 12:51:39 PM Fleet
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** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.

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** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.atoner.
* The Black Legion. Any idea what they actually are? Not only are most of them weird fusions of heroes and villains, but they don't match the AoA versions of those heroes and villains.
18th Jul '14 10:25:17 PM sethonan
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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.

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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.excesses.
** Also, he's a mercenary, and pretty genre savvy too. He intuitively knows that if they are going to exterminate humans not for profit, down the line they might start getting rids of "undesirables". He's bloodthirsty FOR BATTLE, and if there is a buck to be made, well sure, why not? The plans Apocalypse have just go into complete monster territory. All of his portrayals picture him as a blood templar, not someone who is down to do some genocide for the kicks. Also, while Logan goes to become the extremist version of his 90's self in the comics; Creed gets to become the 80's Logan for this series. An atoner.
4th Feb '14 3:43:37 PM OneEyedDragon
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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special". Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.

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** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. is,. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special".special and gets me noticed" and thus, doesn't truly think of himself as evil (though he'll play it for effect), just a normal man pushed over the edge by a world that didn't give him the love he used to crave and now barely feels. Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.
4th Feb '14 3:33:45 PM OneEyedDragon
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* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.

to:

* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.be.
** Sabretooth operates on AtLeastIAdmitIt- he thinks that deep down, everyone is just as bad as he is, and he is taking his psycho frustrations out on everyone and using the excuse that the world pushed him over the edge / now he sees what human (and mutant) nature is really like. In other words part of his identity is that "I do evil things, most people don't; acting evil makes me special". Someone actually managing to KillAllHumans (or coming close enough) means that there 1) there are a lot less people left to kill (ie. take his problems out on), and 2) he won't get to be as monstrous as he likes to think he is ('cause in a post-apocalyptic hellhole, he's not as scary or special as he is in civilization). Basically he's filled with self-loathing and avoiding his guilt and insecurities by acting like he's pure evil (he's doing a good job, I'll grant) when deep down he feels worthless and damned already, probably felt like he was damned before he did anything worth being damned for. He's ''afraid'' of an actual CrapsackWorld because he can't role-play the Boogeyman anymore and further he might just genuinely think Apocalypse is worse than he (he has a case there, you have to admit). Now he's forced to look in the mirror and realize "no, I'm not an uber-force of evil; I'm just a murderous loser who needs to scare people". And he doesn't like it, so- possibly slowly- he changes. Helps that bad as he was in those days, he probably still hadn't committed his worst excesses.
4th Aug '13 8:50:39 PM Gojirob
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*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?

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*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?route?
* Ok, I liked Sabretooth AoA. I liked him better than I like most current X-Men. But I can think of no reason why he was who he was in this. The retold story of Cape Citadel in X-Men V1-1 had him revolted by the villains' plan to actually nuke everything. I just can't see that. Creed has been a complete asshole for longer than we are even really sure of, and would even in the early days relish that kind of carnage. The only explanation I can find for him being that radically different is that somehow, Charles Xavier's very life prevented something that would have cooled down his taste for innocent blood. But for the life of me, I can't see what that might be.
13th Jan '13 3:16:20 AM WookMuff
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** The AoA was the result of time travel, not a 'natural' universe, and as such it overwrote the 616 universe (originally, until it was retconned). That is why the M'Kraan was gonna mess up both universes.



** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).

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** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).invasions).
*** According to What If? 81, Galactus would have rocked up after the defeat of Apocalypse. I guess he just took the scenic route?
13th Nov '12 12:30:11 PM Nightmask
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** Forget the Lucifer, what happened when ''Galactus'' came to Earth?

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** Forget the Lucifer, what happened when ''Galactus'' came to Earth?Earth?
** The Watcher found someone else to oppose Galactus and acquire the Ultimate Nullifier while Apocalypse hadn't had time to fully destroy things yet, and Lucifer probably got offed by someone else in an untold tale (like all the many invasions and things that got stopped off-camera, like the Kree and Skrull invasions).
27th Oct '12 7:28:10 AM TheConductor
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*** In theory, the M'Kraan Crystal could only destroy HALF of all universes, because the other half would be universes where the people worked out how to stop it.
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