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** Why do we have to assume that? It's not at all unreasonable to think that Connelly is playing a character three to five years older than her real age -- actresses do it all the time, especially when they're as agelessly beautiful as someone like Jennifer Connelly. Penny could very easily have been college-aged during her first relationship with Mav, which would make her about nineteen or twenty to his mid-twenties -- a bit eyebrow-raising today, sure, but hardly condemnable.
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* The mission would have been cakewalk for the F-35 anyway, jamming or not. Growlers would jam the radar sites while F-35s take out the [=SAMs=], deal with fighters from standoff range, and use their own built-in targeting pods to hit the ventilation shaft. Or even just clear the way for heavy bombers to drop bunker busters.
** There's a plausible argument that the pilot workload necessary to fly the course and make the attack while simultaneously lasing the target, is too much for a single pilot to do, hence the requirement for the 2-seat Foxtrot on the mission... except that Maverick went and did just that.
*** That may be true, but Maverick seems to be the only pilot skilled enough to pull it off. And since he seemingly doesn't have experience with the F-35, him and the rest of the team are stuck with the Hornets.
*** The whole point of using Growlers and F-35s would be to avoid the need for super-skills altogether, and --as the movie itself put it-- the need for ''two'' miracles to occur. With the air defenses disabled and/or destroyed, laser-guided bombs could be dropped from hundreds or even thousands of feet up, hitting the target much more reliably than the F-18s had to with a targeting window of only a few seconds. There was literally no advantage to using F-18s for this mission; it only put the pilots needlessly at risk.
** Stealth and jamming have their limits against [=SAMs=], trying to take out that many launchers could result in heavy losses for the Navy even with both of those factors in play. And that of course could lead to the already dangerous rogue nation learning the F-35's secrets from its wreckage. The canyon run may be more risky for each individual pilot, but it's less risky for the Navy overall.
!!FridgeLogic
* The mission would have been cakewalk for the F-35 anyway, jamming or not. Growlers would jam the radar sites while F-35s take out the [=SAMs=], deal with fighters from standoff range, and use their own built-in targeting pods to hit the ventilation shaft. Or even just clear the way for heavy bombers to drop bunker busters.
** There's a plausible argument that the pilot workload necessary to fly the course and make the attack while simultaneously lasing the target, is too much for a single pilot to do, hence the requirement for the 2-seat Foxtrot on the mission... except that Maverick went and did just that.
*** That may be true, but Maverick seems to be the only pilot skilled enough to pull it off. And since he seemingly doesn't have experience with the F-35, him and the rest of the team are stuck with the Hornets.
*** The whole point of using Growlers and F-35s would be to avoid the need for super-skills altogether, and --as the movie itself put it-- the need for ''two'' miracles to occur. With the air defenses disabled and/or destroyed, laser-guided bombs could be dropped from hundreds or even thousands of feet up, hitting the target much more reliably than the F-18s had to with a targeting window of only a few seconds. There was literally no advantage to using F-18s for this mission; it only put the pilots needlessly at risk.
** Stealth and jamming have their limits against [=SAMs=], trying to take out that many launchers could result in heavy losses for the Navy even with both of those factors in play. And that of course could lead to the already dangerous rogue nation learning the F-35's secrets from its wreckage. The canyon run may be more risky for each individual pilot, but it's less risky for the Navy overall.
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** Why do we have to assume that? It's not at all unreasonable to think that Connelly is playing a character three to five years older than her real age -- actresses do it all the time, especially when they're as agelessly beautiful as someone like Jennifer Connelly. Penny could very easily have been college-aged during her first relationship with Mav, which would make her about nineteen or twenty to his mid-twenties -- a bit eyebrow-raising today, sure, but hardly condemnable. \n\n!!FridgeLogic\n* The mission would have been cakewalk for the F-35 anyway, jamming or not. Growlers would jam the radar sites while F-35s take out the [=SAMs=], deal with fighters from standoff range, and use their own built-in targeting pods to hit the ventilation shaft. Or even just clear the way for heavy bombers to drop bunker busters.\n** There's a plausible argument that the pilot workload necessary to fly the course and make the attack while simultaneously lasing the target, is too much for a single pilot to do, hence the requirement for the 2-seat Foxtrot on the mission... except that Maverick went and did just that.\n*** That may be true, but Maverick seems to be the only pilot skilled enough to pull it off. And since he seemingly doesn't have experience with the F-35, him and the rest of the team are stuck with the Hornets.\n*** The whole point of using Growlers and F-35s would be to avoid the need for super-skills altogether, and --as the movie itself put it-- the need for ''two'' miracles to occur. With the air defenses disabled and/or destroyed, laser-guided bombs could be dropped from hundreds or even thousands of feet up, hitting the target much more reliably than the F-18s had to with a targeting window of only a few seconds. There was literally no advantage to using F-18s for this mission; it only put the pilots needlessly at risk.\n** Stealth and jamming have their limits against [=SAMs=], trying to take out that many launchers could result in heavy losses for the Navy even with both of those factors in play. And that of course could lead to the already dangerous rogue nation learning the F-35's secrets from its wreckage. The canyon run may be more risky for each individual pilot, but it's less risky for the Navy overall.
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** Why do we have to assume that? It's not at all unreasonable to think that Connelly is playing a character three to five years older than her real age -- actresses do it all the time, especially when they're as agelessly beautiful as someone like Jennifer Connelly. Penny could very easily have been college-aged during her first relationship with Mav, which would make her about nineteen or twenty to his mid-twenties -- a bit eyebrow-raising today, sure, but hardly condemnable.
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** As for what that third Felon was doing out at sea, it was probably trying to intercept the retreating Dagger Squad. When he didn't catch them in time, he turned his attention to Maverick and Rooster, which further gave Hangman the chance to angle in on him.
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* Beyond that, the closer to the battle group the dogfight got, the more susceptible the Felon would be to any ECM the carrier group might try to employ to mask Hangman's approach, both from the surface ships and any planes in the air. Additionally, the F/A-18E is a "4.5th Generation" fighter, which incorporates "low-observable" design features that make it more difficult to detect on radar when compared to something like a Tomcat.
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* How does Hangman get the drop on the third Felon? We see earlier in the film that the Super Hornets have trouble spotting bogies that are behind them. Assuming the Felon has a similar blindspot, Hangman might have shut off his own radar and let the Hawkeye crew vector him in behind the Felon while the pilot was distracted trying to run down Maverick and Rooster. Once he was in position, he could loose a heat-seeking Sidewinder at the Felon without giving him the warning of a radar lock.
* Beyond that, the closer to the battle group the dogfight got, the more susceptible the Felon would be to any ECM the carrier group might try to employ to mask Hangman's approach, both from the surface ships and any planes in the air. Additionally, the F/A-18E is a "4.5th Generation" fighter, which incorporates "low-observable" design features that make it more difficult to detect on radar when compared to something like a Tomcat.
* Beyond that, the closer to the battle group the dogfight got, the more susceptible the Felon would be to any ECM the carrier group might try to employ to mask Hangman's approach, both from the surface ships and any planes in the air. Additionally, the F/A-18E is a "4.5th Generation" fighter, which incorporates "low-observable" design features that make it more difficult to detect on radar when compared to something like a Tomcat.
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* Penny Benjamin. If we assume Penny is roughly the same age as the actress playing her (Jennifer Connelly), that means Mav was messing around with a girl who was, at the oldest, 16-years-old and possibly younger than that depending when it was the two of them "went ballistic." Top that off with her being an admiral's daughter, and it's a wonder he didn't get into A LOT more trouble than he did back in the day.
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* Penny Benjamin. If we assume Penny is roughly the same age as the actress playing her (Jennifer Connelly), that means Mav was messing around with a girl who was, at the oldest, 16-years-old and possibly younger than that depending on when it was the two of them "went ballistic." Top that off with her being an admiral's daughter, and it's a wonder he didn't get into A LOT more trouble than he did back in the day.
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* Penny Benjamin. If we assume Penny is roughly the same age as the actress playing her (Jennifer Connelly), that means Mav was messing around with a girl who was, at the oldest, 16-years-old and possibly younger than that depending when it was the two of them "went ballistic." Top that off with her being an admiral's daughter, and it's a wonder he didn't get into A LOT more trouble than he did back in the day.
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* Penny Benjamin. If we assume Penny is roughly the same age as the actress playing her (Jennifer Connelly), that means Mav was messing around with a girl who was, at the oldest, 16-years-old and possibly younger than that depending when it was the two of them "went ballistic." Top that off with her being an admiral's daughter, and it's a wonder he didn't get into A LOT more trouble than he did back in the day.
