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*** well, the original Dragonball ''was'' a homage to ''The Monkey King.''
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** He couldn't have been referring to that timeline, because in that timeline Goku was long dead before they even knew the Androids existed, so the end of the world wasn't "approaching."
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** I believe that the original poster was referring to the Mirai timeline--y'know, the one where there [[ThisIsSparta WAS. NO. CURE.]] Besides, as far as Vegeta being out of character goes, he gets to incinerate Kakarot and fight him afterwards. Yay. No, the real trouble is probably that this thing came out of nowhere and they didn't have time to think that up or find an alternate way to get to New Namek after he died.
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*** I thought it meant "Slow turtle wave" - VoxTheHero
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** So you're saying a plan that requires Vegeta acting out of character (he wants to ''beat'' Goku and wouldn't just kill him if he ''let'' him) and a bunch of back and forthsis less "convoluted" than the initial plan of "just take the medicine that you know will cure you when the symptoms start showing up"? Nothing "convoluted", just bad timing.
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* So Goku is dying of a heart virus and the end of the world is approaching. So... what's keeping him from using istant transmission to teleport himself and the entire crew to Namek, gather the namekian Dragon Balls, have Vegeta vaporize him, then ask Porunga to Restore his body (1st wish) petition Lord Enma to have his body reunited with spirit, ask Porunga to bring him back to life (2nd wish) then have goku teleport back to Namek and bring everybody back to earth. The Virus was destroyed when Vegeta vaporized him, Goku is back at full health, and received a power boost since he pretty much came back from the dead. Convoluted heart virus subplot resolved, and the subsequent complications are averted.
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** Spot on. Thanks for the tip.
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** But he killed villains all the time back then. The first time he showed mercy to a villain was with piccolo jr which happened after e trained with god. Maybethat traning made him more enlightened or something.

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** But he killed villains all the time back then. The first time he showed mercy to a villain after that was with piccolo jr which happened after e he trained with god. Maybethat Maybe that traning made him more enlightened or something.
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**But he killed villains all the time back then. The first time he showed mercy to a villain was with piccolo jr which happened after e trained with god. Maybethat traning made him more enlightened or something.
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* Broly is missing from both the Fusion Reborn movie and the Super 17 saga of GT when all the villains escape from hell (Despite other movie villains appearing in both situations and Broly being one of the most popular movie villains), it just now occurred to me that at the end of the Bio Broly movie Goku and Pikkon got sent to hell to stop Broly from causing trouble...They must have killed him, which would have wiped him out from existence.
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* Piccolo's transition from GoodIsNotNice loner to TeamDad makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then ''[[TheMessiah Kami]]'', it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo ''[[DefrostingIceQueen defrosted]] the way he did.

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* Piccolo's transition from GoodIsNotNice loner to TeamDad makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then ''[[TheMessiah Kami]]'', it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo ''[[DefrostingIceQueen [[DefrostingIceQueen defrosted]] the way he did.

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* Piccolo swore to avenge his father's death at the hands of Goku. I just realized [[HeroicSacrifice he]] ''[[KillUsBoth did]]''.

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* Piccolo swore to avenge his father's death at the hands of Goku.Goku by killing him. I just realized [[HeroicSacrifice he]] ''[[KillUsBoth did]]''.



* This troper thought it was weird at first Gero made cyborgs when he was perfectly capable of making robots, then had a moment of fridge logic: Gero created CELL. To make Cell the most powerful being in the universe Gero needed him to have nigh infinite energy, but couldn't give him an infinite energy generator because Cell was grown from... cells. 17 and 18 NEEDED to be cyborgs in order for Cell to be able to absorb them, since he can't absorb pure machines (shown with 16) I like to think this is correct when 17 himself has an inner monologue pondering the same thing.

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* This troper thought it was weird at first Gero made cyborgs when he was perfectly capable of making robots, then had a moment of fridge logic: Gero created CELL. To make Cell the most powerful being in the universe Gero needed him to have nigh infinite energy, but couldn't give him an infinite energy generator because Cell was grown from... cells. 17 and 18 NEEDED to be cyborgs in order for Cell to be able to absorb them, since he can't absorb pure machines (shown with 16) I like to think this is correct when 17 himself has an inner monologue pondering the same thing.thing.

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** That would be the case, were it not for Tao Pai Pai trying to backstab Goku when he showed mercy.
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* Android 16 was a pacifist and GentleGiant. He was also far more obedient than 17 and 18. So why was Doctor Gero so afraid of him? Perhaps he had a really bad experience with an android that had the exact same personality but a few hundred thousand times less fighting power (one from 8 generations ago).

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* Android 16 was a pacifist and GentleGiant. He was also far more obedient than 17 and 18. So why was Doctor Gero so afraid of him? Perhaps he had a really bad experience with an android that had the exact same personality but a few hundred thousand times less fighting power (one from 8 generations ago).ago).
* This troper thought it was weird at first Gero made cyborgs when he was perfectly capable of making robots, then had a moment of fridge logic: Gero created CELL. To make Cell the most powerful being in the universe Gero needed him to have nigh infinite energy, but couldn't give him an infinite energy generator because Cell was grown from... cells. 17 and 18 NEEDED to be cyborgs in order for Cell to be able to absorb them, since he can't absorb pure machines (shown with 16) I like to think this is correct when 17 himself has an inner monologue pondering the same thing.
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* Goku seems to have a lot of problem with killing in the Saiyan/Namek saga (wanting to let Nappa, Jeice, Recoome and Burter live and letting Vegeta and trying to let Frieza live) the reason that stopped after the Namek saga was because for the first time that Goku had let someone live (Frieza) it didn't turn them good. Every other villain Goku let live in the past became good so Goku wanting to let everyone live, until Frieza proved mercy doesn't make all bad guys good, is understandable.

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* Goku seems to have a lot of problem with killing in the Saiyan/Namek saga (wanting to let Nappa, Jeice, Recoome and Burter live and letting Vegeta and trying to let Frieza live) the reason that stopped after the Namek saga was because for the first time that Goku had let someone live (Frieza) it didn't turn them good. Every other villain Goku let live in the past became good so Goku wanting to let everyone live, until Frieza proved mercy doesn't make all bad guys good, is understandable.understandable.
* Android 16 was a pacifist and GentleGiant. He was also far more obedient than 17 and 18. So why was Doctor Gero so afraid of him? Perhaps he had a really bad experience with an android that had the exact same personality but a few hundred thousand times less fighting power (one from 8 generations ago).
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** Actually they are. The movies World's Strongest, Tree of Might and Lord Slug take place in an alternate timeline where Goku arrived in time to save the other fighters from Vegeta and Nappa. Yamcha and the others never died so there was no need to go to Namek.
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*** This troper thinks the reason he was meant to become perfect was to help him beat Goku, and Cell just kinda went on his own from there. Even more ironic in that case would be that Cell actually wasn't perfect when he killed Goku since he lost Android 18.

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*** This troper thinks the reason he was meant to become perfect was to help him beat Goku, and Cell just kinda went on his own from there. Even more ironic in that case would be that Cell actually wasn't perfect when he killed Goku since he lost Android 18.18.
* Goku seems to have a lot of problem with killing in the Saiyan/Namek saga (wanting to let Nappa, Jeice, Recoome and Burter live and letting Vegeta and trying to let Frieza live) the reason that stopped after the Namek saga was because for the first time that Goku had let someone live (Frieza) it didn't turn them good. Every other villain Goku let live in the past became good so Goku wanting to let everyone live, until Frieza proved mercy doesn't make all bad guys good, is understandable.
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** Actually it can be seen as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only built to achieve perfection.

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** Actually it can be seen as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only built to achieve perfection.perfection.
*** This troper thinks the reason he was meant to become perfect was to help him beat Goku, and Cell just kinda went on his own from there. Even more ironic in that case would be that Cell actually wasn't perfect when he killed Goku since he lost Android 18.
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** Actually it can be shown as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only build to achieve perfection.

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** Actually it can be shown seen as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only build built to achieve perfection.
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* At first, Cell's {{taking you with me}} seems to be just an act of desperation. Here comes the brilliance; using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: killing Goku.

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* At first, Cell's {{taking you with me}} seems to be just an act of desperation. Here comes the brilliance; using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: killing Goku.Goku.
** Actually it can be shown as somewhat ironic (I think I'm using that right) as Cell was the only Android in the entire saga that was NOT built for killing Goku, instead he was only build to achieve perfection.
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* You at first think Cell's {{taking you with me}} is just an act of desperation, but then you realize it. Using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: Kill Goku

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* You at first think At first, Cell's {{taking you with me}} is seems to be just an act of desperation, but then you realize it. Using desperation. Here comes the brilliance; using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: Kill Gokukilling Goku.
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** Not only is he part Vegeta, but part Goku as well. Maybe the Saiyans all have some trait about them that makes them want their enemy at full power when they're defeated.

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** Not only is he part Vegeta, but part Goku as well. Maybe the Saiyans all have some trait about them that makes them want their enemy at full power when they're defeated.defeated.
*You at first think Cell's {{taking you with me}} is just an act of desperation, but then you realize it. Using the move, Cell manages to accomplish the purpose he was built for: Kill Goku
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** More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. Cell's Games are all about to show the other Z he's the perfect warrior, so he had to dispel any doubt about Gohan.

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** More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. Cell's Games are all about to show the other Z he's the perfect warrior, so he had to dispel any doubt about Gohan.Gohan.
** Not only is he part Vegeta, but part Goku as well. Maybe the Saiyans all have some trait about them that makes them want their enemy at full power when they're defeated.
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** More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. Cell's Games are all about to show the other Z he's the perfect warrior, so he had to lift any doubt about Gohan.

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** More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. Cell's Games are all about to show the other Z he's the perfect warrior, so he had to lift dispel any doubt about Gohan.
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* I'm sure to a lot of people this was obvious but it took me a while to figure out that the whole reason Cell tried so hard to get Gohan to turn into a SSJ2 was becuase he had Vegeta's cells, and like Vegeta he wants to prove that he can beat characters while they're at their strongest.

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* I'm sure to a lot of people this was obvious but it took me a while to figure out that the whole reason Cell tried so hard to get Gohan to turn into a SSJ2 was becuase he had Vegeta's cells, and like Vegeta he wants to prove that he can beat characters while they're at their strongest.strongest.
** More likely, it's because he's the literal embodiment of the idea of perfection. Cell's Games are all about to show the other Z he's the perfect warrior, so he had to lift any doubt about Gohan.
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** It gets better. Immediately after that (Goku's body is still warm) he becomes a good guy, shown by training Gohan. As soon as he completes his oath, he starts walking his own path.
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* I'm sure to a lot of people this was obvious but it took me a while to figure out that the whole reason Cell tried so hard to get Gohan to turn into a SSJ2 was becuase he had Vegeta's cells, and like Vegeta he wants to prove that he can beat characters while they're at their strongest.
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* Piccolo swore to avenge his father's death at the hands of Goku. I just realized [[HeroicSacrifice he]] ''[[KillUsBoth did]]''.
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** The manga outright states this at least one time, but your friend was still dead-on.

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** Muten Roshi's signature move is the Kamehameha. In Hawaii [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_Day there]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Kamehameha were]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I five]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_II kings]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_III named]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_IV Kameha]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_V meha]]. Muten Roshi is always shown on a tropical island wearing Hawaiian shirts, and he hangs out with a turtle.--tussl12
*** "Kame" means turtle. Kamehameha roughly means "turtle school attack".

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** * Muten Roshi's signature move is the Kamehameha. In Hawaii [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_Day there]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Kamehameha were]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_I five]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_II kings]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_III named]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_IV Kameha]][[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_V meha]]. Muten Roshi is always shown on a tropical island wearing Hawaiian shirts, and he hangs out with a turtle.--tussl12
*** ** "Kame" means turtle. Kamehameha roughly means "turtle school attack".



** Piccolo's transition from GoodIsNotNice loner to TeamDad makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then ''[[TheMessiah Kami]]'', it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo ''[[DefrostingIceQueen defrosted]] the way he did.
*** And on the subject of Piccolo, why keep the name of his evil counterpart? In Namekian, according to ''Word of God'', Piccolo means "Another World". And since Kami is a title, not a name, Piccolo was probably adopted by the Namekian when he couldn't remember his name. Even deeper, the titles "King Piccolo" and "Kami (Piccolo)" would translate to King and God, respectively, of another world!
** A more Meta Example. My entire expeirience for the anime was greatly enhanced when I stopped looking at it as a fight anime, and started looking at it as Kabuki Theater. Once I did that, the unbearably long {{Power Up}}s and poses and glowing and CallingYourAttacks were completely understandable and even enjoyable. ~vp21ct

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** * Piccolo's transition from GoodIsNotNice loner to TeamDad makes a lot of sense when you take into consideration that he takes on aspects of the personality of those he fused with. Considering fused with Nail and then ''[[TheMessiah Kami]]'', it makes a lot of sense in story why Piccolo ''[[DefrostingIceQueen defrosted]] the way he did.
*** ** And on the subject of Piccolo, why keep the name of his evil counterpart? In Namekian, according to ''Word of God'', Piccolo means "Another World". And since Kami is a title, not a name, Piccolo was probably adopted by the Namekian when he couldn't remember his name. Even deeper, the titles "King Piccolo" and "Kami (Piccolo)" would translate to King and God, respectively, of another world!
** * A more Meta Example. My entire expeirience for the anime was greatly enhanced when I stopped looking at it as a fight anime, and started looking at it as Kabuki Theater. Once I did that, the unbearably long {{Power Up}}s and poses and glowing and CallingYourAttacks were completely understandable and even enjoyable. ~vp21ct~vp21ct
* The existence of the many non-canon movies used to bug me. However, I remembered what Trunks said about the nature of time travel and the existence of multiple timelines. Then I realized- they may not be canon in ''this'' timeline, but they are in ''others''

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