History Fridge / Dragonball

4th Sep '17 10:14:30 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** No, Gero was afraid of 16 because 16 was good. 16 was obedient to 17 and 18, to an extent, because he thought they were decent people and he only wanted to kill Goku, but he wouldn't do anything for them that did not interest him. When 16 figures out Cell is a no good bastard, 16 immediately tries to kill Cell and doesn't let anyone stop him. Gero himself is a no good bastard directly responsible for Cell's existence. 16 would immediately try to kill him. ''Then'' he would have tried to kill Goku. 16 literally puts Cell's death ahead of Goku's.



*** Maybe not killed him permanently then, but did something to ensure when all the other villains escaped Broly was still too stuck to get out.



** Humans and saiyans are definitely in the same genus then, and this all depends on if you define species as "capable of producing fertile offspring" or "regularly produce fertile offspring".



** Well, Jaco says the universe is made up hundreds of thousands of galaxies, or maybe "countless", depending on Anime or Manga, so yes, that part of cosmology is true, but (east)Kaioshin says that before Majin Buu killed them there were ''five'' Daikaio/Grand Kais. So, going by four quadrant kais answering to one grand kai, that would be one grand kai for each galaxy, five out of...hundreds or thousands and or too many to bother counting. It could be that there are only five populated galaxies, or it could be that East Supreme specifically oversaw five Grand Kais, and assuming that was mirrored there are...twenty populated galaxies out of hundreds of thousands and or too many to bother counting? That's a lot of lifeforms from a human perspective, but celestially speaking most of the Dragon World, or at least universe seven, seems pretty lifeless.



** It was confirmed in JacoTheGalacticPatrolman that Saiyans have longer childhoods than humans, staying cute and child-liked before spurting to their full adult height. Since Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are hybrids, their growth could be more erratic with Gohan growing in-between that of a human and a Saiyan while Goten and Trunks grow more closer to a purebred.

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** It was confirmed in JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman that Saiyans have longer childhoods than humans, staying cute and child-liked before spurting to their full adult height. Since Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are hybrids, their growth could be more erratic with Gohan growing in-between that of a human and a Saiyan while Goten and Trunks grow more closer to a purebred.



** A simpler explanation: Goku couldn't turn Super Saiyan the first two times he used the Spirit Bomb. He was also worn out from over-using Kaio-ken both times, whereas with Buu he got a recharge from the DragonBalls.

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** A simpler explanation: Goku couldn't turn Super Saiyan the first two times he used the Spirit Bomb. He was also worn out from over-using Kaio-ken both times, whereas with Buu he got a recharge from the DragonBalls.Dragon Balls.



** Also, despite the name "super saiyan god", it's not an extension or improvement of the super saiyan form the way 1, 2 and 3 are. Super saiyan used to be something saiyans could do, but was lost to the point it was a legend they were ''trying'' to bring back, Goku being the first in a thousand years. Super saiyan god was something they hadn't done in an even longer amount of time. The fact that it was even called "super saiyan" was just a result of history being corrupted into legend and the legend itself corrupting. This also explains why in the flashback super saiyan god disappears while Goku just powers down, it's possible super saiyan god was literally a created god with a limited lifespan, but the latter day saiyans, having no idea and just used to transformation, cause it to manifest in Goku instead, believing that's how it should work. They ''made'' connect to the actual super saiyan transformation, and the corrupted legend became reality.



* More about Snake Way, ''it's longer than the planet Earth''. There's no food, water or shelter. Anyone attempting to reach the end of it would die, either from starvation, dehydration or exposure... unless they are already dead! That's exactly why ''dead'' Goku never had the problems with Super Saiyan 3 that living Goku did. He never realized while running snake way or training in the after life that he was literally pushing himself to death.



* Something noted first in the WMG section, but it makes so much sense it just has to go here. You know how Hercule kept saying Videl wasn't allowed to date anyone who couldn't beat him in a fight? Presumably this had kicked off as soon as she started to get interested in boys. While he would never publicly admit it, he knew there was exactly one boy in the world who fit that description and was anywhere near her age: the kid who really beat Cell. Thing is, though, he never actually found out that the kid's name was Gohan—he and the TV crew though gohan (rice) was their lunch order. Later, he thought that everybody from the Cell Games was dead because they seemed to have dropped off the face of the planet, until they showed up at the Tournament 7 years later, and he doesn't recognize Gohan right away, either. Hercule was actually a Gohan/Videl shipper the whole time, but he didn't know it.

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* Something noted first in the WMG section, but it makes so much sense it just has to go here. You know how Hercule kept saying Videl wasn't allowed to date anyone who couldn't beat him in a fight? Presumably this had kicked off as soon as she started to get interested in boys. While he would never publicly admit it, he knew there was exactly one boy in the world who fit that description and was anywhere near her age: the kid who really beat Cell. Thing is, though, he never actually found out that the kid's name was Gohan—he and the TV crew though thought gohan (rice) was their lunch order. Later, he thought that everybody from the Cell Games was dead because they seemed to have dropped off the face of the planet, until they showed up at the Tournament 7 years later, and he doesn't recognize Gohan right away, either. Hercule was actually a Gohan/Videl shipper the whole time, but he didn't know it.



** Goku also knocks Bad Lunch on her ass and (inadvertently) stops Roshi from groping her while she's at this disadvantage. She might have come to respect Goku's strength and strength of character.



* How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fight groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even ''thousands'' of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses. In a way, Goku was by far the worst possible opponent on Earth for such a technique.

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* How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fight fighting groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even ''thousands'' of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses. In a way, Goku was by far the worst possible opponent on Earth for such a technique.



** Yajirobe was right!



* There's some fridge horror in Seventeen and Eighteen's names. We know they were originally human, and almost certainly wouldn't have been named Android Number Seventeen, and Android Number eighteen. We also know they hated Gero, and rebelled against them. So why is it they always use the numbers he assigned to them? That even after she marries Krillin, he still only calls her Eighteen? Whatever Dr. Gero did to the twins either made them forget their own names, or made them feel so distanced from their previous lives that they no longer feel any reason but to use the names he assigned them.

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* There's some fridge horror in Seventeen and Eighteen's names. We know they were originally human, and almost certainly wouldn't have been named Android Number Seventeen, and Android Number eighteen.Eighteen. We also know they hated Gero, and rebelled against them. So why is it they always use the numbers he assigned to them? That even after she marries Krillin, he still only calls her Eighteen? Whatever Dr. Gero did to the twins either made them forget their own names, or made them feel so distanced from their previous lives that they no longer feel any reason but to use the names he assigned them.



*** Lapis lazuli is a blue metamorphic rock. It's a MeaningfulName because the blue eyed twins were turned into killer androids. If Lapis or lazuli are numbers in another language, then that's just a PunnyName on top of it.



** Buu's incorporated organic beings into his makeup through absorption, so it would be moot.



** At the very least, even without the benefit of hindsight, saving Dende was critical. Even if the dragon balls were lost with the Earth, he could still negotiate with those on Namek if their holders proved uncooperative. Besides him, Goku would be the only option and he's one of the three beings capable of holding off Buu if the need arises, so he might not have the time.



* Dr Gero's mosquito robots took DNA from every major arc except for the Namek arc, and Freeza/King Cold when they arrived to Earth. Cell, the product of this, is one of the most daunting foes the Z-Fighters have faced and inherited all their techniques. Had Dr Gero manage to follow them to Namek, he would've had accessed to Guldo's DNA and thus [[TimeStandsSkill his time-stop]]. And since Cell doesn't need to breathe, the only thing limiting Guldo's power (having to hold his breath) is gone and can use it as long as he wishes. You know how [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders The World]] is a terrifying ability the heroes were barely able to overcome? [[OhCrap Now imagine a foe that lack Dio's time limit]].

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* Dr Gero's mosquito robots took DNA from every major arc except for the Namek arc, and Freeza/King Cold when they arrived to Earth. Cell, the product of this, is one of the most daunting foes the Z-Fighters have faced and inherited all their techniques. Had Dr Gero manage to follow them to Namek, he would've had accessed to Guldo's DNA and thus [[TimeStandsSkill his time-stop]]. And since Cell doesn't need to breathe, the only thing limiting Guldo's power (having to hold his breath) is gone and can use it as long as he wishes. You know how [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders The World]] is a terrifying ability the heroes were barely able to overcome? [[OhCrap Now imagine a foe that lack lacks Dio's time limit]].




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** Cell has techniques, but not power. He had to gain that by draining people and absorbing androids. Still, the thought of a Cell dedicated to training means he could achieve something similar to Freeza's golden form. It would just take him longer, probably on a timescale much closer to the saiyans.

31st Aug '17 11:05:00 AM HalcyonDayz
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* In early ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Bulma and Roshi ask Baba if she can see the outcome of the fight against the Saiyans. Specifically, they ask whether the earth is intact one year from now. There was no apparant reason for her not to see the outcome, except for not spoiling the fight, of course. Then this troper realized that, if Roshi and Bulma asked her about this only a month or so before the fight, then the reason she couldn't see the a year ahead into the future anymore was because of Cell travelling to the past before that point. Remember that Cell arrived a year before Trunks, and the Freeza saga lasted barely over a month, with only a years time between then and Trunks arriving. Once time travel becomes involved, Baba can't see the future anymore! Must have hurt her business.

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* In early ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', Bulma and Roshi ask Baba if she can see the outcome of the fight against the Saiyans. Specifically, they ask whether the earth is intact one year from now. There was no apparant apparent reason for her not to see the outcome, except for not spoiling the fight, of course. Then this troper realized that, if Roshi and Bulma asked her about this only a month or so before the fight, then the reason she couldn't see the a year ahead into the future anymore was because of Cell travelling to the past before that point. Remember that Cell arrived a year before Trunks, and the Freeza saga lasted barely over a month, with only a years time between then and Trunks arriving. Once time travel becomes involved, Baba can't see the future anymore! Must have hurt her business.



* By the time he was in his Perfect form, Cell was already stronger than any of the Z-Fighters and it took SSJ2 Gohan to take him down; and like Frieza, he's never trained a day in his life. He ''also'' has Frieza genes and thus his potential, combined with potential from the cells inherited from other Z-Fighters. Thought Golden Frieza was powerful? Imagine what Cell could become if he trained for four months. Hell, even if he trained during the nine-day wait for the Cell games(or just decided to call things off so he could reach his potential)? Like with Frieza, the universe is really lucky {{Pride}} is his FatalFlaw.

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* By the time he was in his Perfect form, Cell was already stronger than any of the Z-Fighters and it took SSJ2 [=SSJ2=] Gohan to take him down; and like Frieza, he's never trained a day in his life. He ''also'' has Frieza genes and thus his potential, combined with potential from the cells inherited from other Z-Fighters. Thought Golden Frieza was powerful? Imagine what Cell could become if he trained for four months. Hell, even if he trained during the nine-day wait for the Cell games(or just decided to call things off so he could reach his potential)? Like with Frieza, the universe is really lucky {{Pride}} is his FatalFlaw.
9th Jul '17 3:06:14 AM EDP
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* How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fight groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even ''thousands'' of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses.

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* How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fight groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even ''thousands'' of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses.
weaknesses. In a way, Goku was by far the worst possible opponent on Earth for such a technique.
** Related to it, Nappa has little trouble keeping up with Krillin and Piccolo when they use a similar technique against him in an anime filler. As he conquered planets for a living, Nappa was even more used to fight multiple weaker opponents, as his job required him to face entire armies on a regular basis.
9th Jul '17 3:00:46 AM EDP
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* How was Goku able to figure out the weaknesses of Tien's Multi-Form Technique while being attacked by it when the smarter Piccolo could not while he was watching their fight? Easy: Goku, differently from Piccolo (and the other spectators), is used to fight groups of opponents from his battles against the Red Ribbon, and tracking four opponents on an open ring at short distance is easier than tracking hundreds or even ''thousands'' of soldiers in the middle of various terrains (including the urban terrain of their HQ) at all kinds of distances, so after the initial surprise he could just fall back on those old instinct to keep up with the four Tiens while he analyzed their strengths and weaknesses.
8th Jul '17 12:59:49 PM EDP
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** That also explains how and why Goku whips out a [[WrestlerInAllOfUs Boston Crab]] when fighting Tenshinhan: he wasn't taught any move by the Turtle Hermit, but his first teacher was another of his students who may have learned the skills, or at least the idea, from him, and Goku, after not using them out of personal preference, saw how effective they were against that same opponent.

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** That also explains how and why Goku whips out a [[WrestlerInAllOfUs Boston Crab]] when fighting Tenshinhan: he wasn't taught any move by the Turtle Hermit, but his first teacher was another of his students who may have learned the skills, or at least the idea, from him, and Goku, after not using them out of personal preference, saw how effective they were against that same opponent.opponent-and indeed, the Boston Crab almost wins him the fight.
** They're also used in the 23rd Tenkaichi to show Tenshinhan's growth during the timeskip: at one point during their rematch, Goku whips out the grappling moves again starting from the Boston Crab, but Tien this time holds his own and [[ItOnlyWorksOnce manages to keep Goku from completing the Boston Crab]].
4th Jul '17 12:27:13 PM EDP
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* In his fight with Tien in the 23rd Tournament, Tao Pai Pai is both unable and unwilling to attack until his opponent's stance doesn't show at least one opening. He's also an assassin with a stated preference for one-hit kills... And Tien's stance had no openings that could be used for these.
25th Jun '17 2:12:28 PM EDP
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* In the 21st tournament two of Krillin's past bullies from the Orinji Temple, who had not made it to the finals, mock Giran, who did make it, for drinking milk and not alcohol... When Giran is about to have his fight with Goku in a few minutes: it was a hint that Giran, for how boorish he acted, was a better martial artist than the two monks and [[HiddenDepths smarter than he looked]], as he would not drink something that was going to dull his reflexes before a fight but something that gave him some energy.
18th Apr '17 10:27:51 AM TheFuzzyKnight
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** Parenting is a struggle for those who grew up in abusive environments. Often the initial reaction to a child's behavior is the same reaction their parents would have. It takes a conscious effort to check that reaction and choose a different response. In a series with so many fantastic elements, Vegeta's efforts to be better than his father are poignantly ''real''.
15th Apr '17 5:56:05 AM SomeoneElse17
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** Even Goku Black, the black-clad evil double of Goku seen in the Future Trunks saga of ''Dragon Ball Super'', doesn't quite fall into the straightforward "Goku as a villain" stock trope. He calls Trunks "Saiyan" as if he himself isn't one and wears a green Potara-like earring as well as possesses a Ring of Time. He seems to be able to actively manipulate smoke clouds in ways no one else has been seen doing to this point in the series, and his eyes glow a bright menacing red[[note]]in ''Dragon Ball'', red glowing eyes are usually reserved for one of four uses; intentionally-vague "flashback" scenes, Shenron or a counterpart granting a wish, or as an indicator of demonic activity and/or brainwashing[[/note]] when he's covered under smoke. Indeed, he may not even be a Saiyan at all. He does away with the smoke tactic after his face is shown on-screen, but is still vastly different from Goku due to his Kai artifacts, no-nonsense murderous snobbishness, and an AxCrazy belief in his own OmniscientMoralityLicense to declare that HumansAreTheRealMonsters similar to that of a rogue Supreme Kai apprentice named Zamasu in Universe 10. [[spoiler:Then it turns out that he (A) is tag team partners with the version of Zamasu from Trunks' future, and (B) is an alternate version of present Zamasu himself who successfully kills his master to become a Kai, wishes on the Super Dragon Balls to ''steal Goku's body'', and ''kills Goku and his family in cold blood before recruiting his future self. He's not so much "the anti-Goku" as opposed to "a SatanicArchetype who successfully pulled a permanent Ginyu."]]]]

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** Even Goku Black, the black-clad evil double of Goku seen in the Future Trunks saga of ''Dragon Ball Super'', doesn't quite fall into the straightforward "Goku as a villain" stock trope. He calls Trunks "Saiyan" as if he himself isn't one and wears a green Potara-like earring as well as possesses a Ring of Time. He seems to be able to actively manipulate smoke clouds in ways no one else has been seen doing to this point in the series, and his eyes glow a bright menacing red[[note]]in ''Dragon Ball'', red glowing eyes are usually reserved for one of four uses; intentionally-vague "flashback" scenes, Shenron or a counterpart granting a wish, or as an indicator of demonic activity and/or brainwashing[[/note]] when he's covered under smoke. Indeed, he may not even be a Saiyan at all. He does away with the smoke tactic after his face is shown on-screen, but is still vastly different from Goku due to his Kai artifacts, no-nonsense murderous snobbishness, and an AxCrazy belief in his own OmniscientMoralityLicense to declare that HumansAreTheRealMonsters similar to that of a rogue Supreme Kai apprentice named Zamasu in Universe 10. [[spoiler:Then it turns out that he (A) is tag team partners with the version of Zamasu from Trunks' future, and (B) is an alternate version of present Zamasu himself who successfully kills his master to become a Kai, wishes on the Super Dragon Balls to ''steal Goku's body'', and ''kills Goku and his family in cold blood before recruiting his future self.self''. He's not so much "the anti-Goku" as opposed to "a SatanicArchetype who successfully pulled a permanent Ginyu."]]]]"]]
20th Mar '17 2:49:01 AM JackWhitehead
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** His tendency to spare his enemies goes back to him letting Piccolo Jr. live at the end of ''Dragon Ball.'' It's a dramatic departure from his earlier attitude of killing his enemies without hesitation. What happened in the interim? He lived with God for three years! Kami didn't just made Goku stronger physically, he refined him spiritually.




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* The passing of the torch at the end of the Cell arc (temporary though it may have been) is even more poignant when you take into account Cell's genetic makeup. Specifically, he is a combination of the last three [[ArcVillain arc villains]] (Piccolo, Vegeta and Freeza) that was created by the story's first true ArcVillain, the Red Ribbon Army. By killing Cell and saving the world Gohan not only takes his father's place as savior of the world, he does it by defeating all of the major enemies Goku defeated in his lifetime. It's the ultimate rite-of-passage.
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