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29th Mar '16 3:46:36 PM SomeoneElse17
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* During Vegeta's fight with Perfect Cell, Trunks accuses him of using too much energy that will surely destroy the planet. In the final flash's after math, Trunk realizes Vegeta was able to focus most of his energy on Cell, leaving Earth relatively unharmed(indeed, the rockets that launch the space shuttle probably leave more collatoral damage despite Vegeta's attack traveling much faster). The scary thing is, this concept was explained by King Kai back when he taught Goku the spirit bomb. Trunks, even when too weak to stop 17-18, was still several hundred times more powerful than Goku was then. The basic techniques that keep the planets intact, Trunks apparently lived his whole life to that point without knowing them, making him a potentially bigger threat to all life than the Androids through sheer ignorance. Of course Vegeta would know this because he wasn't in the business of destroying planets, but wiping out their native populations and selling them to the highest bidder.

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* During Vegeta's fight with Perfect Cell, Trunks accuses him of using too much energy that will surely destroy the planet. In the final flash's Final Flash's after math, Trunk Trunks realizes Vegeta was able to focus most of his energy on Cell, leaving Earth relatively unharmed(indeed, unharmed (indeed, the rockets that launch the space shuttle probably leave more collatoral collateral damage despite Vegeta's attack traveling much faster). The scary thing is, this concept was explained by King Kai back when he taught Goku the spirit bomb. Spirit Bomb. Trunks, even when too weak to stop 17-18, 17 and 18, was still several hundred times more powerful than Goku was then. The basic techniques that keep the planets intact, Trunks apparently lived his whole life to that point without knowing them, making him a potentially bigger threat to all life than the Androids through sheer ignorance. In fact, after he achieved his ultra-muscular grade Super Saiyan transformation, if Cell had been of near-equal rather than superior in overall power Trunks would've more likely destroyed the Earth than Cell! Of course Vegeta would know this because he wasn't in the business of destroying planets, but wiping out their native populations and selling them to the highest bidder.
28th Feb '16 10:48:20 AM SomeoneElse17
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*** It's mentioned further down the page in response to something unrelated, but ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' also mentioned valid reasoning for this: '''Android 16:''' [[AC:This "Cell" is comprised of 10.78% of Son Goku's DNA. [[PreAssKickingOneLiner These parameters are acceptable.]]]]

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*** It's mentioned further down the page in response to something unrelated, but ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' also mentioned valid reasoning for this: this:
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'''Android 16:''' [[AC:This "Cell" is comprised of 10.78% of Son Goku's DNA. [[PreAssKickingOneLiner These parameters are acceptable.]]]]
28th Feb '16 10:44:04 AM SomeoneElse17
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** The Universe 6 Saiyans are ''outright confirmed'' not to be producing an "Evil Goku" anyway, as not only are all the [=U6=] characters different than anyone we've seen before, Cabbe explains that the [=U6=] Saiyans are mercenaries of good, not evil.
28th Feb '16 6:24:43 AM DoctorSleep
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* Vegeta's callous attitude towards the deaths of his fellow Saiyans feels counter-productive given that they're near-extinct, but that's exactly how mass-consuming lifeforms function in any given ecosystem. If Saiyans didn't have such Darwinian attitudes towards each other, they'd find themselves facing a famine, so it's only natural that Vegeta would rather be the last of his race than have to starve with his weaker comrades.
25th Jan '16 8:45:09 PM Scarper
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*** It's mentioned further down the page in response to something unrelated, but ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' also mentioned valid reasoning for this: '''Android 16:''' [[AC:This "Cell" is comprised of 10.78% of Son Goku's DNA. [[PreAssKickingOneLiner These parameters are acceptable.]]]]


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** To take that thought further and include Newtons Laws of Motion - it's shown often that Ki attacks exert a force on anyone they hit, pushing them around. The third law of motion states (simply): anyone applying a force experiences an equal force in the opposite direction. To stop themselves flying backwards, they need to apply equal forces both forward and backward - one in the form of the Ki blast, and the other with their general flight ability. Any Ki blast that does not move the user is, ''at best'', only half the users maximum output.
2nd Dec '15 6:53:22 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** Further evidence for this is seen earlier in the saga. Goku used the kaioken which lasts for a heartbeat, while Ginyu and Jeice had a small conversation with each other.
2nd Dec '15 12:28:38 AM SomeoneElse17
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*** The point isn't "look how weird those names are", though. It's the fact that ''they never use them'', implying how badly Dr. Gero's experiments must have affected them mentally.
2nd Dec '15 12:16:01 AM SomeoneElse17
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** For decades we've seen alternate timelines and continuities presented in official ''Dragon Ball'' lore—whether canon via the Trunks/Androids/Cell saga, filler, anime movies, ''GT'', and many of the video games. Yet with the exception of Tullece, who just happens to ''look'' like Goku, none have even entertained the possibility of Evil Kakarot…until ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse'' came along. ''Xenoverse'' introduced one of the easiest possible opportunities to see Evil Goku in [[spoiler:Towa and Demigra's [[DemonicPossession Villainous magic]], used to take over and control anyone from prominent villains to Hercule Satan and even the Z-Fighters]]. But then they turn around and make it clear [[spoiler:even Demigra can't possess a god, and since Goku had his ascension in ''Battle of Gods'', he's immune to the Villainous magic]]. [[spoiler:Godhood]] didn't ''have'' to equal [[spoiler:immunity]], though. Nothing about the [[spoiler:God]] concept even hinted at this hypothetical prior to ''Xenoverse''. It was a deliberate creative decision designed to give Goku an out; they ''wanted'' to make people ask if Evil Goku was possible, just so they could say "Yeah, that's not happening." Dick move, right? But then again…

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** For decades we've seen alternate timelines and continuities presented in official ''Dragon Ball'' lore—whether canon via the Trunks/Androids/Cell saga, filler, anime movies, ''GT'', and many of the video games. Yet with the exception of Tullece, who just happens to ''look'' like Goku, none have even entertained the possibility of Evil Kakarot…until ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse'' came along. ''Xenoverse'' introduced one of the easiest possible opportunities to see Evil Goku in [[spoiler:Towa and Demigra's [[DemonicPossession Villainous magic]], used to take over and control anyone from prominent villains to Hercule Satan and even the Z-Fighters]]. But then they turn around and make it clear [[spoiler:even Demigra can't possess a god, and since Goku had his ascension in ''Battle of Gods'', he's immune to the Villainous magic]]. [[spoiler:Godhood]] didn't ''have'' to equal [[spoiler:immunity]], though. Nothing about the [[spoiler:God]] concept even hinted at this hypothetical scenario prior to ''Xenoverse''. It was a deliberate creative decision designed to give Goku an out; they ''wanted'' to make people ask if Evil Goku was possible, just so they could say "Yeah, that's not happening." Dick move, right? But then again…
2nd Dec '15 12:14:49 AM SomeoneElse17
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* People claim that Frieza going from not even Super Saiyan level to being able to take on Super Saiyan God Goku with four months of training in Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF is completely unrealistic, but think about the plot from Frieza's perspective... He is the last hope of his Intergalactic Organization, revived by the Dragon Balls but unable to fight, healed to full power by something, trains for four months straight, and then unlocks a Golden Super Form... In his desire for revenge against Goku, Frieza has gone completely through what would ''normally'' happen to Goku in an arc of DragonBallZ. Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF is written as if ''Frieza'' was the protagonist of DragonBallZ.

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* People claim that Frieza going from not even Super Saiyan level to being able to take on Super Saiyan God Goku with four months of training in Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' is completely unrealistic, but think about the plot from Frieza's perspective... He perspective…He is the last hope of his Intergalactic Organization, revived by the Dragon Balls but unable to fight, healed to full power by something, trains for four months straight, and then unlocks a Golden Super Form... In Form…In his desire for revenge against Goku, Frieza has gone completely through what would ''normally'' happen to Goku in an arc of DragonBallZ. Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF ''Anime/DragonBallZ. ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' is written as if ''Frieza'' was the protagonist of DragonBallZ.''Dragon Ball Z''. [[spoiler:And of course, as Frieza makes a [[{{Understatement}} shitty protagonist]]…[[ForegoneConclusion he fails]] despite his advantages.]]




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* Despite the recent speculation about the Saiyans from Universe 6 that will be introduced in ''[[Anime/DragonBallSuper Super]]'', it's highly unlikely that an Evil Goku/Kakarot will ever appear in official material.
** For decades we've seen alternate timelines and continuities presented in official ''Dragon Ball'' lore—whether canon via the Trunks/Androids/Cell saga, filler, anime movies, ''GT'', and many of the video games. Yet with the exception of Tullece, who just happens to ''look'' like Goku, none have even entertained the possibility of Evil Kakarot…until ''VideoGame/DragonballXenoverse'' came along. ''Xenoverse'' introduced one of the easiest possible opportunities to see Evil Goku in [[spoiler:Towa and Demigra's [[DemonicPossession Villainous magic]], used to take over and control anyone from prominent villains to Hercule Satan and even the Z-Fighters]]. But then they turn around and make it clear [[spoiler:even Demigra can't possess a god, and since Goku had his ascension in ''Battle of Gods'', he's immune to the Villainous magic]]. [[spoiler:Godhood]] didn't ''have'' to equal [[spoiler:immunity]], though. Nothing about the [[spoiler:God]] concept even hinted at this hypothetical prior to ''Xenoverse''. It was a deliberate creative decision designed to give Goku an out; they ''wanted'' to make people ask if Evil Goku was possible, just so they could say "Yeah, that's not happening." Dick move, right? But then again…
** There is a narrative reason ''why'' Akira, Toei, Namco, etc. are so hell bent on Evil Kakarot never happening in official material. The recently-added "Foil" entry under Goku's character page spells it all out. If we really want a ShadowArchetype or EvilCounterpart to Goku that badly, all we need is to look at Tullece. Or Raditz. Or Vegeta. Or Cell. [[OverlyLongGag Or Frieza. Or Majin Buu. Or Android 17. Or Beerus. Or Broly.]] And there's probably more where that came from when it comes to notable antagonists or tweeners who have enough similarities to Goku to make a comparison yet enough stark differences to define that he's purer of heart, more stable-minded, has done more to organically earn his strength, etc. ''Evil Goku is already a narrative device used to help define both Goku's character and that of the foes he and his friends face by showing what sets him apart from said foes. '''Of course''' they don't want to turn that into an actual character: doing so defeats the entire purpose.''
23rd Nov '15 4:45:38 AM EDP
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* Early on, Goku couldn't tell the difference between males and females without [[CrotchGrabSexCheck patting them on the crotch]], yet he could tell that Upa was a boy without that. Strange? No: he saw that girls don't show their chests and Upa wore only an open jacket on it.



* Early on, Goku couldn't tell the difference between males and females without [[CrotchGrabSexCheck patting them on the crotch]], yet he could tell that Upa was a boy without that. Strange? No: he saw that girls don't show their chests and Upa wore only an open jacket on it.

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* Early on, To ride the Kinto Un you need a pure heart. Goku couldn't tell the difference between males and females without [[CrotchGrabSexCheck patting them on the crotch]], yet he could tell that Upa always ride it, and has a large body count since he was a boy without that. Strange? No: he saw that girls don't show their chests and Upa wore only an open jacket on it.child.
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