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* Guts gives The Count a particularly brutal death, even for an Apostle, stabbing his severed head repeatedly and forcing his daughter to watch his death throes. Makes sense, since Guts saw [[spoiler:The Count devour Pippin, one of his best friends, and he vividly remembers ''everything'' that happened during the Eclipse.]]
* The King [[MeaningfulRename renames]] the Band of the Hawk "The White Phoenix Knights." Later, [[spoiler: Griffith dies and is reborn as Femto, while the Band of the Hawk is slaughtered and recreated.]]

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* Guts gives The Count a particularly brutal death, even for an Apostle, stabbing his severed head repeatedly and forcing his daughter to watch his death throes. Makes sense, since Guts saw [[spoiler:The The Count devour Pippin, one of his best friends, and he vividly remembers ''everything'' that happened during the Eclipse.]]
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* The King [[MeaningfulRename renames]] the Band of the Hawk "The White Phoenix Knights." Later, [[spoiler: Griffith dies and is reborn as Femto, while the Band of the Hawk is slaughtered and recreated.]]



* This is something that I learned from a birds of prey show at our local Renaissance faire (convenient, ay?). In the middle ages, both hawks (Accipitriformes) and falcons (Falconiformes) were trained for the hunt. You wouldn't think that there was much difference in the use of the two birds aside from general phylogenetic differences, but did you know that social class had a lot to do with the ownership of hawks and falcons? Hawks were usually owned by those of the peasantry because they were larger (therefore, considered more "bulky") and caught and killed their prey more "sloppily", tearing into the flesh more severely. Falcons, on the other hand, were only allowed to be owned by the aristocracy and royalty, because they were smaller, swifter, and killed their prey with more precision, making the kill/trophy a lot more presentable. When I was watching the display, I just couldn't help but think back to good 'ol ''Berserk'' and our favorite BadassCrew. There has been some translation debate (correct me if I'm wrong since I read both the Dark Horse translations and The Hawks' online scanlations) because the crew was first known as the Band of the Hawk, but after [[spoiler: Griffith's reincarnation]], they are referred to as the Band of the Falcon. If the name change is official, I wouldn't be surprised, since Griffith started out as a guy leading a group of misfit mercenaries, but when he came back, his battle actions are more strategic, he's as regal as can be, and has even been dubbed [[MessianicArchetype the Messiah]] [[spoiler: all this while being a humungous BitchInSheepsClothing!]], surely befitting of the new title of a falcon.

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* This is something that I learned from a birds of prey show at our local Renaissance faire (convenient, ay?). In the middle ages, both hawks (Accipitriformes) and falcons (Falconiformes) were trained for the hunt. You wouldn't think that there was much difference in the use of the two birds aside from general phylogenetic differences, but did you know that social class had a lot to do with the ownership of hawks and falcons? Hawks were usually owned by those of the peasantry because they were larger (therefore, considered more "bulky") and caught and killed their prey more "sloppily", tearing into the flesh more severely. Falcons, on the other hand, were only allowed to be owned by the aristocracy and royalty, because they were smaller, swifter, and killed their prey with more precision, making the kill/trophy a lot more presentable. When I was watching the display, I just couldn't help but think back to good 'ol ''Berserk'' and our favorite BadassCrew. There has been some translation debate (correct me if I'm wrong since I read both the Dark Horse translations and The Hawks' online scanlations) because the crew was first known as the Band of the Hawk, but after [[spoiler: Griffith's reincarnation]], reincarnation, they are referred to as the Band of the Falcon. If the name change is official, I wouldn't be surprised, since Griffith started out as a guy leading a group of misfit mercenaries, but when he came back, his battle actions are more strategic, he's as regal as can be, and has even been dubbed [[MessianicArchetype the Messiah]] [[spoiler: all this while being a humungous BitchInSheepsClothing!]], Messiah]], surely befitting of the new title of a falcon.



** What's more is that Macbeth cannot be killed by anyone of natural birth ("Of woman born") and Guts' birth is far from natural seeing as he was [[spoiler: born from a hanged woman on gallows ground]]. Macduff becomes obsessed with killing Macbeth and ending his evil and having the vengeance he needs

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** What's more is that Macbeth cannot be killed by anyone of natural birth ("Of woman born") and Guts' birth is far from natural seeing as he was [[spoiler: born from a hanged woman on gallows ground]].ground. Macduff becomes obsessed with killing Macbeth and ending his evil and having the vengeance he needs




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* [[spoiler: Joachim is offered soup by a goat demon and by Nina to enter their crazy cult. The soup is made out of babies. The biggest horror is when it hits you that this cult regularly participates in sex orgies. Where do the babies come from? [[UpToEleven From the sex orgy.]]]]

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* [[spoiler: Joachim is offered soup by a goat demon and by Nina to enter their crazy cult. The soup is made out of babies. The biggest horror is when it hits you that this cult regularly participates in sex orgies. Where do the babies come from? [[UpToEleven From the sex orgy.]]]]]]



* What happens [[spoiler: to Casca]] is already [[TearJerker unimaginably horrific]], there is no question. In fact, one would be hard pressed to figure out a way to make it worse, though I'm sure Miura could do it if he put [[FanDisservice his mind]] to it. Which is why, when imaging Guts' feelings of agony, guilt, and hopelessness, it becomes an [[UpToEleven order of magnitude more horrifying]] when we consider how he must feel when he failed to prevent happening the exact same thing that happened to him as a child. Then he is almost coerced by [[spoiler: his evil half]] to do the exact same thing. Excuse me, but I have some sand in my eyes.
** Just the fact that [[spoiler: Casca]] was [[spoiler: raped]] by [[{{Satan}} THE epitome of what we interpret as "evil"]] - yeah, this troper thinks that Miura has done it. Period. Pass that tissue, please.

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* What happens [[spoiler: to Casca]] Casca is already [[TearJerker unimaginably horrific]], there is no question. In fact, one would be hard pressed to figure out a way to make it worse, though I'm sure Miura could do it if he put [[FanDisservice his mind]] to it. Which is why, when imaging Guts' feelings of agony, guilt, and hopelessness, it becomes an [[UpToEleven order of magnitude more horrifying]] when we consider how he must feel when he failed to prevent happening the exact same thing that happened to him as a child. Then he is almost coerced by [[spoiler: his evil half]] half to do the exact same thing. Excuse me, but I have some sand in my eyes.
** Just the fact that [[spoiler: Casca]] Casca was [[spoiler: raped]] raped by [[{{Satan}} THE epitome of what we interpret as "evil"]] - yeah, this troper thinks that Miura has done it. Period. Pass that tissue, please.



*** [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil explains that hell came into being by people needing a justification for life being so scrappy. Since "god" came into being to CREATE more misery, it means there's no GOOD deity watching over these people, no heaven awaiting the righteous who SOMEHOW avoid a horrifying death sending them to hell... Midland is a CrapsackWorld for a very good reason.]]

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*** [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil explains that hell came into being by people needing a justification for life being so scrappy. Since "god" came into being to CREATE more misery, it means there's no GOOD deity watching over these people, no heaven awaiting the righteous who SOMEHOW avoid a horrifying death sending them to hell... Midland is a CrapsackWorld for a very good reason.]]



* In volume 6, when Griffith calls Guts to his study and hands him that pornographic book, take a look at the illustrations in the book. The illustration on the right shows two people in a position that is similar to how [[spoiler: Guts made love to Casca, which can make you think that Guts actually learned something from a book]]. On the other hand, and the other page, we see two people in a position that is almost a mirror image of how [[spoiler: Griffith raped Casca as Femto. So what's also freaky is that Griffith might have also learned a thing or two from that book...]]

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* In volume 6, when Griffith calls Guts to his study and hands him that pornographic book, take a look at the illustrations in the book. The illustration on the right shows two people in a position that is similar to how [[spoiler: Guts made love to Casca, which can make you think that Guts actually learned something from a book]]. book. On the other hand, and the other page, we see two people in a position that is almost a mirror image of how [[spoiler: Griffith raped Casca as Femto. So what's also freaky is that Griffith might have also learned a thing or two from that book...]]



** When you think about it, [[spoiler: Griffith's rape of Casca is pretty much a twisted {{foil}} to Guts and Casca's love scene.]] In fact, this might not only be a visual literary device, but [[spoiler: Griffith might have purposely done certain "things" to Casca to taunt and torture she and Guts even more, since he might possibly be omniscient.]]

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** When you think about it, [[spoiler: Griffith's rape of Casca is pretty much a twisted {{foil}} to Guts and Casca's love scene.]] scene. In fact, this might not only be a visual literary device, but [[spoiler: Griffith might have purposely done certain "things" to Casca to taunt and torture she and Guts even more, since he might possibly be omniscient.]]



* Femto, now being a member of the Godhand and having insight in causality may actually have gained a form of omniscience revealing to him the fact that [[spoiler: Guts was ruined by his childhood rape experience and Casca was the one who cured his trauma.]] It makes sence because Femto seems impossible to catch off guard unless it's needed in the grander scheme of things. This would also make what he did to Casca [[MoralEventHorizon EVEN WORSE]] then it would have been by itself.
** It may also be possible that Femto also knew Casca was pregnant and [[spoiler:that the resulting FetusTerrible would serve as a vessel for him to reincarnate in this physical world as Griffith]]. This would also make what Femto did a GambitRoulette, for how utterly convoluted it would've been to have ''all'' the pieces needed (Namely the aforementioned FetusTerrible and the [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Behelit Apostle]]) in place ''at the exact time'' of the ceremony to begin, which happen exactly each '''1000 years'''! It seems that by turning into a demon, Femto took his ChessMaster skills to a whole new level.
** As anyone ever thought of the possibility that Griffith knew that [[spoiler: Casca would go insane as a result of being raped by him (possibly being a chance that his demonic seed is literally poisoning her body and is a direct cause to her insanity)]] and was in fact, RevengeByProxy? In other words, "[[IfICantHaveYou If I can't have either of you,]] [[StarCrossedLovers neither of you can be together!]]" Diabolical indeed.

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* Femto, now being a member of the Godhand and having insight in causality may actually have gained a form of omniscience revealing to him the fact that [[spoiler: Guts was ruined by his childhood rape experience and Casca was the one who cured his trauma.]] trauma. It makes sence because Femto seems impossible to catch off guard unless it's needed in the grander scheme of things. This would also make what he did to Casca [[MoralEventHorizon EVEN WORSE]] then it would have been by itself.
** It may also be possible that Femto also knew Casca was pregnant and [[spoiler:that that the resulting FetusTerrible would serve as a vessel for him to reincarnate in this physical world as Griffith]].Griffith. This would also make what Femto did a GambitRoulette, for how utterly convoluted it would've been to have ''all'' the pieces needed (Namely the aforementioned FetusTerrible and the [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Behelit Apostle]]) in place ''at the exact time'' of the ceremony to begin, which happen exactly each '''1000 years'''! It seems that by turning into a demon, Femto took his ChessMaster skills to a whole new level.
** As anyone ever thought of the possibility that Griffith knew that [[spoiler: Casca would go insane as a result of being raped by him (possibly being a chance that his demonic seed is literally poisoning her body and is a direct cause to her insanity)]] insanity) and was in fact, RevengeByProxy? In other words, "[[IfICantHaveYou If I can't have either of you,]] [[StarCrossedLovers neither of you can be together!]]" Diabolical indeed.



* This is actually on the ley lines of fridge horror and fridge brilliance, but concerning Griffith's imprisonment and torture, Griffith's became crippled on account of his tendons beings severed (not to mention that he most likely suffered massive muscular damage), but the [[FatalFlaw actions that led up to his imprisonment]] was on account of his haughty and prideful nature. What's the supposed [[SevenDeadlySins punishment]] for pride in Hell? The breaking wheel, which breaks the victim's limbs, deeming them horribly crippled (if not just flat out dead). For the actual horror part, [[spoiler: who is the patron demon of pride? [[{{Satan}} Lucifer,]] in which Femto, Griffith's Godhand ego, is essentially.]]
* Whenever i see a glorious picture of the PowerTrio in the good old days, commanding an army, being unbeatable and wearing their shiny armor and wind blown capes i somehow get hit by the realization that [[spoiler: all three of them are taken up the rear by some disgusting creature at one point.]] That's one thought you can only have about this series!
* The Child, obviously, is composed of both Guts' and Casca's genetic material... but he's also got some of [[spoiler: Griffith's genetic material after what he did to Casca]]... meaning that [[spoiler: Griffith is technically the Child's parent as well.]] I do NOT want to see how this custody battle from hell is going to end.

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* This is actually on the ley lines of fridge horror and fridge brilliance, but concerning Griffith's imprisonment and torture, Griffith's became crippled on account of his tendons beings severed (not to mention that he most likely suffered massive muscular damage), but the [[FatalFlaw actions that led up to his imprisonment]] was on account of his haughty and prideful nature. What's the supposed [[SevenDeadlySins punishment]] for pride in Hell? The breaking wheel, which breaks the victim's limbs, deeming them horribly crippled (if not just flat out dead). For the actual horror part, [[spoiler: who is the patron demon of pride? [[{{Satan}} Lucifer,]] in which Femto, Griffith's Godhand ego, is essentially.]]
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* Whenever i see a glorious picture of the PowerTrio in the good old days, commanding an army, being unbeatable and wearing their shiny armor and wind blown capes i somehow get hit by the realization that [[spoiler: all three of them are taken up the rear by some disgusting creature at one point.]] point. That's one thought you can only have about this series!
* The Child, obviously, is composed of both Guts' and Casca's genetic material... but he's also got some of [[spoiler: Griffith's genetic material after what he did to Casca]]... Casca... meaning that [[spoiler: Griffith is technically the Child's parent as well.]] well. I do NOT want to see how this custody battle from hell is going to end.



** Femto's conversation with [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] implies that Griffith's rise to power has been orchestrated for countless generations, his entire ancestry carefully arranged to eventually produce him, specifically, so that he would be the ideal candidate to become [[spoiler: Femto]] into the first place. For a being that exists outside of time and is the only real godlike figure in the story, that's not the fridge horror part. The fridge horror part is the fact that this not only means that the Band of the Hawk only ever existed be the cobbles of Griffith's road, it means all its soldiers, and their entire lives, were orchestrated in the same way and for the same reason. All the awful things they experience, particularly Guts and Casca's childhoods, were all just devised to be the meal that fattened Griffith for the slaughter. And the ''worst'' part? This is implied to have happened before, with Void and Skull Knight, ''who saved Guts and Casca from the Eclipse''. So much suffering, designed to explain suffering itself, just to keep escalating in a horrible, horrible upward spiral. If [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] exists to provide a reason for the suffering of humanity because that's what humanity needs, it's only natural that we ''want'' everything to be part of a divine plan, and the God Hand makes references to this more than once... but they never said the divine plan leads to humanity's redemption.

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** Femto's conversation with [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil implies that Griffith's rise to power has been orchestrated for countless generations, his entire ancestry carefully arranged to eventually produce him, specifically, so that he would be the ideal candidate to become [[spoiler: Femto]] Femto into the first place. For a being that exists outside of time and is the only real godlike figure in the story, that's not the fridge horror part. The fridge horror part is the fact that this not only means that the Band of the Hawk only ever existed be the cobbles of Griffith's road, it means all its soldiers, and their entire lives, were orchestrated in the same way and for the same reason. All the awful things they experience, particularly Guts and Casca's childhoods, were all just devised to be the meal that fattened Griffith for the slaughter. And the ''worst'' part? This is implied to have happened before, with Void and Skull Knight, ''who saved Guts and Casca from the Eclipse''. So much suffering, designed to explain suffering itself, just to keep escalating in a horrible, horrible upward spiral. If [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil exists to provide a reason for the suffering of humanity because that's what humanity needs, it's only natural that we ''want'' everything to be part of a divine plan, and the God Hand makes references to this more than once... but they never said the divine plan leads to humanity's redemption.



* The creeping horror of [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] and the concept of causality, a creature that seems to have the ability to perceive time not as a linear flow, but as a chain of events that can be followed both forward and backward. If [[spoiler: humanity needs a god to justify their suffering and that god is as much a product of the past as the future, creating suffering to provide a reason for the pain of humans]], where did suffering really originate? If such a creature uses the suffering it causes to press people into its service, do those servants really have free will, or are they just progressing along a chain made of links forged by the creature? Is it still free will if they were compelled through torture? [[spoiler: Are the various emotionless/sociopathic/philiac traits it lends to its servants the closest thing it can give to a blessing? The ability to enjoy or the inability to feel pain?]] Or worse, is it the other way around and the God Hand are the only beings with true sentience and free will, while the rest of the world exists solely to suffer?

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* The creeping horror of [[spoiler: The Idea of Evil]] Evil and the concept of causality, a creature that seems to have the ability to perceive time not as a linear flow, but as a chain of events that can be followed both forward and backward. If [[spoiler: humanity needs a god to justify their suffering and that god is as much a product of the past as the future, creating suffering to provide a reason for the pain of humans]], humans, where did suffering really originate? If such a creature uses the suffering it causes to press people into its service, do those servants really have free will, or are they just progressing along a chain made of links forged by the creature? Is it still free will if they were compelled through torture? [[spoiler: Are the various emotionless/sociopathic/philiac traits it lends to its servants the closest thing it can give to a blessing? The ability to enjoy or the inability to feel pain?]] pain? Or worse, is it the other way around and the God Hand are the only beings with true sentience and free will, while the rest of the world exists solely to suffer?



** Griffith confronting Guts on his leaving. In ''Anime/Berserk1997'', he doesn't seem like himself at all. He looks very psychotic, [[HellishPupils his eyes look almost like [[spoiler: Femto's after his resurrection in the mortal world]]]]. He doesn't even bother trying to change Guts' mind, and his attacking Guts instead of waiting Guts to strike so he can counterattack like he always does all feel out of character for him.
** [[spoiler: Griffith's bedding Charlotte, especially in the movie. In the movie, unlike the first anime, Griffith comes into her room seemingly on a whim, but then comes to his senses and decides to leave... only for Charlotte to hug him and cry on his chest. In fact, his whole behavior after Guts leave could be the Behelit subtly manipulating him into ''getting himself tortured and crippled, as well as making the King of Midland become a pedophile''.]]
* Griffith's [[DullEyesOfUnhappiness creepy eyes]] when he's in bed with Charlotte. They're almost exactly like [[spoiler: Femto's when he's raping Casca]]. The implications are unsettling, not just because it's ''fucked up'', but because with Charlotte, it was consensual sex. Either Griffith's sexual predilections just have that effect on him and he goes to a dark place during sex, or [[spoiler: he's being affected by his own horrible destiny through Causality.]] Either way, it's friggin' terrifying to think about.

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** Griffith confronting Guts on his leaving. In ''Anime/Berserk1997'', he doesn't seem like himself at all. He looks very psychotic, [[HellishPupils his eyes look almost like [[spoiler: Femto's Femto's]] after his resurrection in the mortal world]]]].world. He doesn't even bother trying to change Guts' mind, and his attacking Guts instead of waiting Guts to strike so he can counterattack like he always does all feel out of character for him.
** [[spoiler: Griffith's bedding Charlotte, especially in the movie. In the movie, unlike the first anime, Griffith comes into her room seemingly on a whim, but then comes to his senses and decides to leave... only for Charlotte to hug him and cry on his chest. In fact, his whole behavior after Guts leave could be the Behelit subtly manipulating him into ''getting himself tortured and crippled, as well as making the King of Midland become a pedophile''.]]
pedophile''.
* Griffith's [[DullEyesOfUnhappiness creepy eyes]] when he's in bed with Charlotte. They're almost exactly like [[spoiler: Femto's when he's raping Casca]].Casca. The implications are unsettling, not just because it's ''fucked up'', but because with Charlotte, it was consensual sex. Either Griffith's sexual predilections just have that effect on him and he goes to a dark place during sex, or [[spoiler: he's being affected by his own horrible destiny through Causality.]] Causality. Either way, it's friggin' terrifying to think about.



* [[spoiler:The Idea of Evil is essentially if God gave people what they ''wanted'' rather than what they ''needed''.]]
* [[spoiler: Rosine is the EnfanteTerrible of all the apostles. Because Rosine is a ChildByRape her [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe father]] [[AbusiveParents hates and abuses her]]. This [[BreakTheCutie abuse combined with her innocent desire to belong and to be loved]] eventually [[DrivenToVillainy drives her to despair, to fall into escapist fantasy, and to choose to become an apostle to realize that fantasy]]. What she does as an apostle is horrible but [[AmbiguousInnocence her culpability for her actions is questionable]] because of her [[FreudianExcuse childhood]] and [[ChildrenAreInnocent young age for an apostle]]. During her final battle with Guts Rosine repeatedly [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes repeatedly saves her friend]] Jill [[KickTheDog whom Guts repeatedly endangers in order to outmaneuver the apostle]]. Rosine gives up her fantasy upon meeting Puck and learning of real fairies and has but is ultimately denied a potential HeelFaceturn. Rosine even manages to begin [[DyingAsYourself reverting to her pre-apostle self]] as she genuinely regrets the choices she had made and wishes to just be a child with a family that loves her. The horror is that this now vulnerable child reverting back to her pre-apostle form was likely [[FateWorseThanDeath dragged down into a personal hell of eternal torment at the hands of all of her victims, including her father]].]]

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* [[spoiler:The The Idea of Evil is essentially if God gave people what they ''wanted'' rather than what they ''needed''.]]
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* [[spoiler: Rosine is the EnfanteTerrible of all the apostles. Because Rosine is a ChildByRape her [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe father]] [[AbusiveParents hates and abuses her]]. This [[BreakTheCutie abuse combined with her innocent desire to belong and to be loved]] eventually [[DrivenToVillainy drives her to despair, to fall into escapist fantasy, and to choose to become an apostle to realize that fantasy]]. What she does as an apostle is horrible but [[AmbiguousInnocence her culpability for her actions is questionable]] because of her [[FreudianExcuse childhood]] and [[ChildrenAreInnocent young age for an apostle]]. During her final battle with Guts Rosine repeatedly [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes repeatedly saves her friend]] Jill [[KickTheDog whom Guts repeatedly endangers in order to outmaneuver the apostle]]. Rosine gives up her fantasy upon meeting Puck and learning of real fairies and has but is ultimately denied a potential HeelFaceturn. Rosine even manages to begin [[DyingAsYourself reverting to her pre-apostle self]] as she genuinely regrets the choices she had made and wishes to just be a child with a family that loves her. The horror is that this now vulnerable child reverting back to her pre-apostle form was likely [[FateWorseThanDeath dragged down into a personal hell of eternal torment at the hands of all of her victims, including her father]].]]



* The circumstances of Guts' birth signified he was doomed to be unlucky from the start, but they're even more horrifying when you realize [[spoiler: coffin births, [[NauseaFuel where the woman's body expels ''everything'' in her body, fetus included]],]] were a somewhat uncommon but still recorded occurrence before the prevalence of 19th century embalming practices and formaldehyde.
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* The circumstances of Guts' birth signified he was doomed to be unlucky from the start, but they're even more horrifying when you realize [[spoiler: coffin births, [[NauseaFuel where the woman's body expels ''everything'' in her body, fetus included]],]] included]], were a somewhat uncommon but still recorded occurrence before the prevalence of 19th century embalming practices and formaldehyde.
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* Apparently, having sex with Casca [[SexualHealing completely heals]] the bleeding abdominal wound that she had given Guts just moments earlier.

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* Apparently, having sex with Casca [[SexualHealing [[IntimateHealing completely heals]] the bleeding abdominal wound that she had given Guts just moments earlier.



* So, Guts and Casca did the duty, and Guts succeeded in knocking Casca up. Congrats. They're expecting... [[DudeNotFunny a demon baby!]] But seriously, Guts and Casca conceive, they go to Wyndam to rescue Griffith, which took about four days, and then they had to get back to wherever they were going in the first place, which we'll say took about the same amount of time. So Casca has been pregnant for a week at this point. Then the Eclipse happens, and horrible, horrible things happen that result in Guts and Casca being AsleepForDays - four, actually. And then, no more than a few hours after have a grande mal FreakOut, Guts witnesses Casca miscarrying their child, which is in its embryonic form. Overall, Casca has only been pregnant for not even an entire two weeks. Now, human embryogenesis is a lot more complicated than how we would comprehend it (sperm and egg meet up, hook up, and start dividing away all in about twenty minutes), and I'm not sure how much time must elapse for fertilization to be successful and how long cleaving of the zygote takes, but I'm pretty sure that you don't get a six week old embyro in under two weeks. ... Unless of course [[spoiler: Femto's demonic semen induces super fast gestation and development]] which just brings in more NauseaFuel on our part.

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* So, Guts and Casca did the duty, and Guts succeeded in knocking Casca up. Congrats. They're expecting... [[DudeNotFunny a demon baby!]] But seriously, Guts and Casca conceive, they go to Wyndam to rescue Griffith, which took about four days, and then they had to get back to wherever they were going in the first place, which we'll say took about the same amount of time. So Casca has been pregnant for a week at this point. Then the Eclipse happens, and horrible, horrible things happen that result in Guts and Casca being AsleepForDays - four, actually. And then, no more than a few hours after have a grande mal FreakOut, Guts witnesses Casca miscarrying their child, which is in its embryonic form. Overall, Casca has only been pregnant for not even an entire two weeks. Now, human embryogenesis is a lot more complicated than how we would comprehend it (sperm and egg meet up, hook up, and start dividing away all in about twenty minutes), and I'm not sure how much time must elapse for fertilization to be successful and how long cleaving of the zygote takes, but I'm pretty sure that you don't get a six week old embyro in under two weeks. ... Unless of course [[spoiler: Femto's demonic semen induces super fast gestation and development]] development which just brings in more NauseaFuel on our part.



* Here's the thing about the whole [[spoiler: merging of the worlds so that dragons, merpeople and other creatures exist in the world of Berserk]]. Initially, I thought that it was very unlike Miura to include such cliched concepts in the unique world of Berserk which contained such a different mythos than other western works of fiction with the Apostles and God-hand etc... but then somebody told me that it was SUPPOSED to be cliche because since [[spoiler: the Idea of evil was brought about by the collective consciousness of humanity wanting a reason for their suffering]], it made sense that [[spoiler: tthe creatures of the astral realm should also be conjured by humanity's consciousness and made physical by Femto's actions]]. So it's best not to think of Berserk becoming a generic fantasy story but just being invaded by the [[spoiler: dreams of the people living in Berserk's world]].

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* Here's the thing about the whole [[spoiler: merging of the worlds so that dragons, merpeople and other creatures exist in the world of Berserk]].Berserk. Initially, I thought that it was very unlike Miura to include such cliched concepts in the unique world of Berserk which contained such a different mythos than other western works of fiction with the Apostles and God-hand etc... but then somebody told me that it was SUPPOSED to be cliche because since [[spoiler: the Idea of evil was brought about by the collective consciousness of humanity wanting a reason for their suffering]], suffering, it made sense that [[spoiler: tthe the creatures of the astral realm should also be conjured by humanity's consciousness and made physical by Femto's actions]]. actions. So it's best not to think of Berserk becoming a generic fantasy story but just being invaded by the [[spoiler: dreams of the people living in Berserk's world]].world.
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* The circumstances of Guts' birth signified he was doomed to be unlucky from the start, but they're even more horrifying when you realize [[spoiler: coffin births, [[NauseaFuel where the woman's body expels ''everything'' in her body, fetus included]],]] were a somewhat uncommon but still recorded occurrence before the prevalence of 19th century embalming practices and formaldehyde.
3rd Apr '17 5:12:56 PM Agent_B
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* This is something that I learned from a birds of prey show at our local Renaissance faire (convenient, ay?). In the middle ages, both hawks (Accipitriformes) and falcons (Falconiformes) were trained for the hunt. You wouldn't think that there was much difference in the use of the two birds aside from general phylogenetic differences, but did you know that social class had a lot to do with the ownership of hawks and falcons? Hawks were usually owned by those of the peasantry because they were larger (therefore, considered more "bulky") and caught and killed their prey more "sloppily", tearing into the flesh more severely. Falcons, on the other hand, were only allowed to be owned by the aristocracy and royalty, because they were smaller, swifter, and killed their prey with more precision, making the kill/trophy a lot more presentable. When I was watching the display, I just couldn't help but think back to good 'ol ''Berserk'' and our favorite BadassCrew. There has been some translation debate (correct me if I'm wrong since I read both the Dark Horse translations and The Hawks' online scanlations) because the crew was first known as the Band of the Hawk, but after [[spoiler: Griffith's reincarnation]], they are referred to as the Falcons. If the name change is official, I wouldn't be surprised, since Griffith started out as a guy leading a group of misfit mercenaries, but when he came back, his battle actions are more strategic, he's as regal as can be, and has even been dubbed [[MessianicArchetype the Messiah]] [[spoiler: all this while being a humungous BitchInSheepsClothing!]], surely befitting of the new title of a falcon.

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* This is something that I learned from a birds of prey show at our local Renaissance faire (convenient, ay?). In the middle ages, both hawks (Accipitriformes) and falcons (Falconiformes) were trained for the hunt. You wouldn't think that there was much difference in the use of the two birds aside from general phylogenetic differences, but did you know that social class had a lot to do with the ownership of hawks and falcons? Hawks were usually owned by those of the peasantry because they were larger (therefore, considered more "bulky") and caught and killed their prey more "sloppily", tearing into the flesh more severely. Falcons, on the other hand, were only allowed to be owned by the aristocracy and royalty, because they were smaller, swifter, and killed their prey with more precision, making the kill/trophy a lot more presentable. When I was watching the display, I just couldn't help but think back to good 'ol ''Berserk'' and our favorite BadassCrew. There has been some translation debate (correct me if I'm wrong since I read both the Dark Horse translations and The Hawks' online scanlations) because the crew was first known as the Band of the Hawk, but after [[spoiler: Griffith's reincarnation]], they are referred to as the Falcons.Band of the Falcon. If the name change is official, I wouldn't be surprised, since Griffith started out as a guy leading a group of misfit mercenaries, but when he came back, his battle actions are more strategic, he's as regal as can be, and has even been dubbed [[MessianicArchetype the Messiah]] [[spoiler: all this while being a humungous BitchInSheepsClothing!]], surely befitting of the new title of a falcon.
26th Mar '17 10:57:19 AM DivineDeath
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* [[spoiler: So Berserk 343 is only furthering the LighterAndSofter movement the series has made with the cute dream sequence and Casca's situation finally being dealt with? WRONG! The two women performing the ritual to rescue Casca both have intensive feeling for Guts and, whilst subtle and hidden, have some resentment towards Casca and would wish to have Guts for themselves. But they would get over their feeling and fix Casca so the one they love can be happy. Well... [[GrimDark This]] [[DarkFantasy isn't]] [[CosmicHorrorStory one]] [[CrapSackWorld of those]] [[GodIsEvil series.]]]]
20th Mar '17 6:08:26 AM Agent_B
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* The name of the Purple Rhino Knights might seem incredibly [[{{Narm}} narmy]] at first glance. But remember: during medieval times, purple was the rarest and most expensive dye, and was hence associated with royalty. Therefor, associating the [[TheEmpire Tudor Empire's]] most esteemed and powerful army with it (and coloring the armor appropriately) seems pretty fitting.

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* The name of the Purple Rhino Knights might seem incredibly [[{{Narm}} narmy]] at first glance. But remember: during medieval times, purple was the rarest and most expensive dye, and was hence associated with royalty. Therefor, associating the [[TheEmpire Tudor Chuder Empire's]] most esteemed and powerful army with it (and coloring the armor appropriately) seems pretty fitting.
18th Jan '17 3:23:17 PM wedward
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* Berserk 347 ends with Schierke and Farnese entering the deeper layers of Casca's consciousness as part of the Queen of the Flower Storm's ritual... with the last panel showing a black sun. Meaning that the two are about to experience the [[OhCrap fifth Eclipse]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck first-hand]].
4th Jan '17 8:49:13 PM RaisenRhaasen
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** Aparently, that was an old battlefield.

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** Aparently, Apparently, that was an old battlefield.



* Here's the thing about the whole [[spoiler: merging of the worlds so that dragins, merpeople and other creatures exist in the world of Berserk]]. Initially, I thought that it was very unlike Miura to include such cliched concepts in the unique world of Berserk which contained such a different mythos than other western works of fiction with the Apostles and God-hand etc... but then somebody told me that it was SUPPOSED to be cliche because since [[spoiler: the Idea of evil was brought about by the collective consciousness of humanity wanting a reason for their suffering]], it made sense that [[spoiler: tthe creatures of the astral realm should also be conjured by humanity's consciousness and made physical by Femto's actions]]. So it's best not to think of Berserk becoming a generic fantasy story but just being invaded by the [[spoiler: dreams of the people living in Berserk's world]].

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* Here's the thing about the whole [[spoiler: merging of the worlds so that dragins, dragons, merpeople and other creatures exist in the world of Berserk]]. Initially, I thought that it was very unlike Miura to include such cliched concepts in the unique world of Berserk which contained such a different mythos than other western works of fiction with the Apostles and God-hand etc... but then somebody told me that it was SUPPOSED to be cliche because since [[spoiler: the Idea of evil was brought about by the collective consciousness of humanity wanting a reason for their suffering]], it made sense that [[spoiler: tthe creatures of the astral realm should also be conjured by humanity's consciousness and made physical by Femto's actions]]. So it's best not to think of Berserk becoming a generic fantasy story but just being invaded by the [[spoiler: dreams of the people living in Berserk's world]].
4th Jan '17 1:44:26 AM trixus
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* Becoming an Apostle doesn't hardened the heart, it just adds bloodlust to all the other emotions. Also all sacrifices shown are loved one that turned against the Apostle so not only is the chosen human desperate but angry at the person he sacrificed. So why are the Apostles so sadistic if their hearts never hardened? Because they just killed their MoralityPet and while some like the Count and Rosie found another one the other Apostles have nothing left but anger, grief and bloodlust to go on. Basically they are what would happen to Guts if the Berserker Armor makes him kill Casca.
10th Nov '16 4:35:28 AM Farnham
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* Berserk 347 ends with Schierke and Farnese entering the deeper layers of Casca's consciousness as part of the Queen of the Flower Storm's ritual... with the last panel showing a black sun. Meaning that the two are about to experience the [[OhCrap fifth Eclipse]] [[ThisIsGonnaSuck first-hand]].
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