History Fridge / ApolloJusticeAceAttorney

*** There's a way the information from ''Dual Destinies'' can work with what's presented in [=AJ=]: Kristoph's final breakdown. How he "went Super Saiyan" while screaming Nick's surname, looked disheveled afterward, and then [[LaughingMad laughed himself mad]] when Vera's "Not Guilty" verdict was read. '''''That's what happens to someone with black Psyche-Locks and they are ripped off by force.'''''

* Phoenix's "hobo" persona is basically his version of Diego Armando's Godot persona from ''Trials and Tribulations'', if you think about it: Both men have [[TrademarkFavoriteFood Trademark Favorite Drinks]] [[note]]Diego/Godot's coffee, and Phoenix's grape juice.[[/note]], had their lives ruined by {{Sociopath}}s [[note]]Diego/Godot's by Dahlia Hawthorne, and Phoenix's by Kristoph Gavin.[[/note]], spent roughly half-decades in obscurity [[note]]Diego/Godot in a coma, and Phoenix at the Borscht Bowl Club.[[/note]], started wearing special headgear [[note]]Diego/Godot's BlindWithoutEm visor, and Phoenix's SpyCam hat.[[/note]], became vigilantes of sorts [[note]]Diego/Godot's [[TheHeavy Heavy]] role in 3-5, and Phoenix's AntiHero methods in 4-1 and 4-4.[[/note]], but ultimately found peace [[note]]Diego/Godot's GracefulLoser dialogue at the end of 3-5, and Phoenix deciding to retake the bar exam after 4-4.[[/note]]. Also, a single young girl is involved in both their fall from grace and their redemption[[note]]Vera Misham for Phoenix, Dahlia Hawthorne for Godot[[/note]].

** Meanwhile, the real mastermind behind Phoenix' disbarment was ''a fellow defense attorney.'' It probably never occurred to Nick that there might be someone just as bad as Manfred von Karma on ''his'' side of the court, so Kristoph backstabbing him must have come as a complete blindside.

* Another reason why Kristoph hates the concept of a jury so much (aside from it being possibly able to convict him, and snobbery) is because of demarcation. The reason why extremely good defence attorneys like Kristoph and Wright are famous and necessary in-universe is because the burden of proof is so stacked against the defendant that you have to use the ThePerryMasonMethod to win. But with a Jury, all it takes is one person not being certain of the defendant's guilt to acquit; under a sane legal system, defence attorneys of their caliber are no longer so desirable or remarkable.

** Secondly, the question of why Zak tests people in such a way in the first place. Then it finally hit me, just a little before Apollo said it outright: it's not whether his opponent won or lost, but how they played the game. Their play style gave Zak a way to get their measure.

* Two things, both to do with the first poker game between Zak Gramarye and Phoenix Wright. At first, I asked how Phoenix could beat such a seasoned player, who had previously only lost to someone who literally had a super-power that allowed him to pierce through others' lies... and then I remembered how Nick wings his way through every trial he's ever been involved in. He's a master of bluffing, and ''that's'' how he won. -@/{{Anomaly}}

*** For that matter, this troper found the third case extremely frustrating. It was blindingly obvious that Daryan Crescend was the murderer, but because just the right evidence wasn't on hand, it took forever to pin him down. Then, she realized that ''it was deliberately like that''. The trial was made to make extremely clear just how flawed the current system is, and how the Jury System is much better! Just think, had the Jury System been in effect, the jurists could have figured out Daryan was the murderer just as quickly as the player did and, unlike with the current legal system, they could have him arrested without decisive evidence.

* Guy Eldoon's blond hair looks like noodles. The fact that his eyebrows are black foreshadows the fact that the blond hair isn't real.
** I thought his eyebrows were supposed to look like strips of ''nori'' you get in a bowl of ramen, to continue the noodle theme.

* Some fans tend to make fun of the name Apollo for the title character and even I had thought it a bit over the top until I read the Oresteia, an ancient Greek play wherein the character Orestes is defended in the first ever court presided over by the goddess Athena and defended by, you guessed it, the god Apollo who won the case and earned himself the title, god of justice among other things. For the ancient Athenians, this made the god Apollo the first ever defense attorney. And suddenly the name Apollo Justice becomes a brilliant, high-brow wink to the well-read gamer.

* When you listen to it closely, the prologue song and the song for Drew Studio sound a lot like each other. If you think about it, this make sense. The beginning opens with (probably) Drew (or Vera) drawing the scene of Phoenix playing cards with Shadi. In case 4-4 you actually find out that Drew (again, or Vera) actually had drawn that scene. Listen to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERxANRgACQE this]] first and then [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCE-UCsnpos this]] and you will hear what this troper means.

* At first, this troper was confused as to why Kristoph didn't admit to murdering Drew Misham, even though he was already charged with murdering Shadi Smith. But, as has been implied throughout the series, first-degree murder warrants the death penalty, and probably nothing else. The murder of Shadi Smith was second-degree, meaning that he would be in his fabulous jail room forever. But the murder of Drew Misham was premeditated, just intended for seven years earlier, meaning he could get the death penalty.
** Personally I always thought it was because, had Kristoph actually admitted to the Drew's murder, he'd be simultaneously be admitting to first-degree murder, another attempted murder via Vera's poisoned nail polish, making a request for forged evidence, and pulling the strings behind Wright's disbarment. It wasn't that he was afraid of being charged with the death penalty. He was afraid of being revealed as a fraud and at the same time clearing Wright's name and revealing that he had intentionally ruined him.

* Apollo's Chords of Steel are actually kind of a smart little character trait, once you realize they're probably genetic; his mother's a famous singer, so she's got a powerful voice too. This also explains why Apollo prefers Lamiroir's performances to the Gavinners - this troper can't quite recall, but doesn't he even call her music "nostalgic" at one point?

* Not sure if this goes under Brilliance or Logic, but when Kristoph ordered the forgery, it was well before the poker game. There was a letter sent to the Mishams about how Kristoph deposited $100,000 in their account to buy the forgery. Zak plays poker with Kristoph, Kristoph loses. Kristoph has suddenly wasted $100,000 on a man he can no longer represent. While money was never brought up as a motive, I know I'd be enraged if I lost out on a $100K bet. This troper has NEVER seen the money he lost discussed. A lot of people say that Kristoph is incredibly petty for [[Anime/YuGiOh killing someone over a card game]], but this troper believes part of the motive had to do with wasting money on something he couldn't return or get any true use out of.

* Same troper as above. [[Creator/KenjiroTsuda Kenjiro Tsuda]] voiced Kristoph/Kirihito in the ''Gyakuten Saiban 4'' trailer. This is probably just coincidence until you realize that there was [[Characters/YuGiOhKaibaCorporationAndDeathT someone else he voiced who tried to kill someone over losing a card game and has a younger brother who looks up to him...]]

* This troper wondered why Wocky Kitaki's Japanese name was basically "North, north, north" and Alita Tiala's was "south, south" until she realized that it was to show how different they are. Kitaki is someone who is associated with something antimoral as a profession while Alita is associated with a moral profession. However, while Kitaki is someone who tries to act like a tough gangster with gangster values, he is actually someone who couldn't hurt a fly and was in trouble due to running out early to a gunfight with a knife. Alita is much more passive as she merely didn't tell Kitaki that he still had a bullet in his heart and ended up becoming his fiance so she could inherit his money when he died. While Kitaki was upset with Pal Meraktis when he found out that he still had the bullet in him, it was Alita who had killed him, specifically because Pal was going to reveal that Alita knew about the bullet as well instead of being mad at Pal for putting Kitaki in a dangerous position. Kitaki wears gangster clothes and has DelinquentHair while Alita is dressed in a way to remind you of an angel. So despite both appearing to be one thing, they are actually their respective opposites, with Kitaki being a wannabe gangster who is naive about it and with other people, while Alita is a nurse who hid important news from her fiance so she could make a lot of money when he died. Thus, both are opposites who go into the opposite directions, hence "north, north, north" and "south, south".

* Now this troper has asked themselves the question why Thalassa Gramarye gave up her son, Apollo Justice in the first place, but then I realized: If you compare Lamiroir's and Apollo's ages from their profiles, they are listed as 40 and 22 respectively- Which means that Thalassa had him when she was ''18 years old''. I believe it was stated that she left Troupe Gramarye to marry another performer, but he died a year after Apollo was born. Now imagine being 19 years old with a 1 year-old child, with no way to support it (as she can't perform and watch over him at the same time). Now from what we've seen of Magnifi, he probably wasn't too thrilled that his daughter ran off with someone else and had a child and would have refused to support Apollo, leaving Thalassa with no choice but to leave him at an orphanage. "But why was it different with Trucy?", you might ask. The things is, Zak was ''part of Troupe Gramarye''. Magnifi approved of him as he was his favourite apprentice and when his daughter and his preferred apprentice married and had a daughter, of course he would have no objections as Trucy would be born into the Troupe with parents that he himself "chose", which I think would be realistic considering his manipulative behaviour.

* The beginning of Case 3 ends with a scene showing Machi lying face down and Le Touse's body on top of the concert stage tower. An obvious plausible interpretation is that Machi stumbled upon the murderer trying to arrange Le Touse's body on the tower platform, so they knocked Machi out and sent him up with the body where he wouldn't be found for a while, giving the murderer time to make a quick getaway. This stage tower has no obvious control system attached to it (unlike the ones, say, at construction sites) and is almost certainly controlled from offstage. Importantly, this means that Machi cannot have raised the stage tower, and thus also heavily implies that he was not the murderer. This troper was thus very confused when Machi was named as the defendant, and disappointed that the case never even attempted to explore this angle (who had access to the tower controls, who had the expertise to operate them, were there any fingerprints, etc).

*** Not necessarily. This troper believes it's reasonable to assume that Borginia has laws that forbid delivering two separate punishments for the same crime, like most modern real-life countries do. So, if Machi gets punished by USA's legal system for smuggling the cocoon, it would probably be illegal for Borginian law system to also punish him. If this troper remembers correctly, something like this is actually implied in the game.

* At the start of case 3, Apollo comments on just how much Trucy spent impulse-buying various Gavinners merchandise, and how it seems out of the ordinary consdering how cheap (or simply strapped for cash) Wright seems to be at this point, considering it didn't look like he was too rich in case 2, less than a month ago. Well, they DID just save a mobster's son, and while the [[TheMafia Kitakis]] may be earning the money for Wocky's operation legally, who's to say they wouldn't blow some of that illegal cash they were more and more disinterested in on Apollo's paycheck?
* It actually makes sense Phoenix would be the one to present the jurist system- after all, in the second case of the first game, the gallery of the courtroom are the only reason he was able to keep Redd White on the witness stand and ultimately proof his guilt. Phoenix basically used the jurist system in that case already!

* This troper wondered why Wocky Kitaki's Japanese name was basically "North, north, north" and Alita Tiala's was "south, south" until she realized that it was to show how different they are. Kitaki is someone who is associated with something antimoral as a profession while Alita is associated with a moral profession. However, while Kitaki is someone who tries to act like a tough gangster with gangster values, he is someone who couldn't hurt a fly and was in trouble due to running out early to a gunfight with a knife. Alita is much more passive as she merely didn't tell Kitaki that he still had a bullet in his heart and ended up becoming his fiance so she could inherit his money when he died. While Kitaki was upset with Pal Meraktis when he found out that he still had the bullet in him, it was Alita who had killed him, specifically because Pal was going to reveal that Alita knew about the bullet as well instead of being mad at Pal for putting Kitaki in a dangerous position. Kitaki wears gangster clothes and has DelinquentHair while Alita is dressed in a way to remind you of an angel. So despite both appearing to be one thing, they are actually their respective opposites, with Kitaki being a wannabe gangster who is naive about it and with other people, while Alita is a nurse who hid important news from her fiance so she could make a lot of money when he died. Thus, both are opposites who go into the opposite directions, hence "north, north, north" and "south, south".
* Another reason why Kristoph hates the concept of a jury so much (aside from it being possibly able to convict him, and snobbery) is because of demarcation. The reason why extremely good defence attorneys like Kristoph and Wright are famous and necessary is because the burden of proof is so stacked against the defendant that you have to use the ThePerryMasonMethod to win. But with a Jury, all it takes is one person not being certain of the defendant's guilt to acquit.

* It's mentioned that Vera Misham was nearly kidnapped once while going outside, reducing her to a {{Hikikomori}}. If her art forgery rumors were circulating at the time, it's possible that Kristoph Gavin had the idea then to use her for forged evidence, arranging the attempted kidnapping to set up his atroquinine trap when the time arose.

* Retroactive Fridge Horror occurs after playing ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'' when you discover black psyche-locks are hide secrets so deeply entrenched in a person's heart that the person themselves don't even remember or realize they're lying. Considering Phoenix never actually breaks Kristoph's black psyche locks, it makes you wonder exactly what horrid psychological experience Kristoph underwent to drive him to murder Zak Gramarye and go so far to punish Phoenix, just because Phoenix got chosen as Zak's lawyer over Kristoph. Clearly there's more to it than what's revealed in this game.

Take moments specific to [[Fridge/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney the Phoenix arc]] '[[Fridge/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]'', ''[[Fridge/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]'' or ''[[Fridge/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'' to those pages, please.

Take moments specific to [[Fridge/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney the Phoenix arc]] or ''[[Fridge/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'' to those pages, please.

* Another reason why Kristoph hates the concept of a jury so much (aside from it being possibly able to convict him, and snobbery) is because of demarcation. The reason why extremely good defence attorneys like Kristoph and Wright are famous and necessary is because the burden of proof is so stacked against the defendant that you have to use the PerryMasonMethod to win. But with a Jury, all it takes is one person not being certain of the defendant's guilt to acquit.

** It ends corrupted at the end when Kristoph ends up LaughingMad. Similarly, Diego's "A lawyer can only cry when it's over" ended corrupted by Kristoph as well in that moment. As Klavier points out, Kristoph is stuck in the past. It was over for Kristoph, he lost everything, and what does Kristoph do? He laughs. Kristoph is trapped in the worst of his times, [[SlasherSmile stuck smiling]], [[LaughingMad stuck laughing]].

** It ends corrupted at the end when Kristoph ends up LaugingMad. Similarly, Diego's "A lawyer can only cry when it's over" ended corrupted by Kristoph as well in that moment. As Klavier points out, Kristoph is stuck in the past. It was over for Kristoph, he lost everything, and what does Kristoph do? He laughs. Kristoph is trapped in the worst of his times, [[SlasherSmile stuck smiling]], [[LaugingMad stuck laughing]].

* It's mentioned that Vera Misham was nearly kidnapped once while going outside, reducing her to a {{Hikkomori}}. If her art forgery rumors were circulating at the time, it's possible that Kristoph Gavin had the idea then to use her for forged evidence, arranging the attempted kidnapping to set up his atroquinine trap when the time arose.

*** If his wounded ego was really the cause of those black Psyche Locks -- which indicate a secret so deeply carved into a person's self that the locks, if broken, can actually ''cause harm to the person's soul and/or heart'' -- then that's even more FridgeHorror: It means there is absolutely nothing and no one in all the world more important to Kristoph than his own pride. And this man was a ''defense attorney!'' With a '''''younger brother who clearly loved him!'''''

* Kristoph's given name in Japanese is Kirihito (霧人), which is ''hitokiri'' (homicide) (人霧) spelled backwards in kanji. But character names above the speech bubbles are written in hiragana and his given name isn't mentioned... until Phoenix calls him by his full name and immediately brings up the possibility of a fourth person at the crime scene. Thus, in the Japanese version, the moment this pun is brought to the player's attention is the same moment Phoenix goes on the offensive and plants the suspicion in Apollo's mind. Clever, Phoenix, clever.

* At the end of the last case, Vera Misham surviving being poisoned by a super-deadly poison that nobody has ever survived exposure to before seems like a 'And then everything was perfect' sort of DeusExMachina ending, especially considering that she wasn't exactly a picture of good health to begin with... until you realize a vital detail: She's spent the last 7 years unknowingly wearing poison-infused nail-polish. Even though she didn't start biting her nails until she went to court, microscopic amounts of it would have been absorbed through her pores, and for a poison that potent, microscopic amounts count for a lot. Thus, following in the footsteps of the [[Film/ThePrincessBride Dread Pirate Roberts]], she's built up a resistance to that particular poison - not an [[AcquiredPoisonImmunity immunity]], but just enough so that when she's finally directly exposed to it, she can survive. It's also likely that the constant exposure is responsible for her poor health to begin with.