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** Plus the movie seems to be set in some alternate universe with talking bats and curses etc. The stock market crash and WWII may not even happen there.

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** Plus the movie seems to be set in some alternate universe with talking bats and curses curses, etc. The stock market crash and WWII may not even happen there.
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* On the subject of Rasputin,he foreshadows his own downfall in his own VillainSong
-->'''Chorus:''' In the dark of the night,just before '''dawn'''

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* On the subject of Rasputin,he Rasputin, he foreshadows his own downfall in his own VillainSong
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-->'''Chorus:''' In the dark of the night,just night, just before '''dawn''''''dawn'''.



* Anya's decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That, more than who her parents were, made her who she is. Her future may be with a former servant, but that's the world she feels comfortable in now.

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* Anya's decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood blood, she may be the Grand Duchess Duchess, but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That, more than who her parents were, made her who she is. Her future may be with a former servant, but that's the world she feels comfortable in now.



*** Also the fact that remember that in Russia, only males can inherit the throne thus she can't even legally inherit the throne anyway.
* The ballroom at the beginning of the film, and the ballroom at the end look remarkably similar with thrones at the head. At the beginning Anastasia is standing by the throne and Dimitri runs towards her but is not allowed in. At the end, she stops behind the throne and never enters the ballroom. Instead she eventually runs off with Dimitri and marries him. He could never enter that 'ballroom' world, but she left it.

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*** Also Also, the fact that remember remains that in Russia, only males can inherit the throne thus throne. Thus, she can't even legally inherit the throne anyway.
* The ballroom at the beginning of the film, film and the ballroom at the end look remarkably similar with thrones at the head. At In the beginning beginning, Anastasia is standing by the throne and as Dimitri runs towards her her, but is not allowed in.inside. At the end, she stops behind the throne and never enters the ballroom. Instead Instead, she eventually runs off with Dimitri and marries him. He could never enter that 'ballroom' world, but she left it.



* Dimitri's past. The prologue shows he was knocked out after saving Marie and Anastasia. A small boy captured by an army of violent soldiers? (Who would hate him for even working at the palace). That does not sound good. And even if he survived that, he'd still be abandoned in post-Revolution Russia... You can bet he had a pretty bad time, seeing as he went from a selfless little boy who risked his life to help Anastasia escape to a dishonest conman.
* STALIN IS IN CHARGE by the time the film is taking place. Who knows what he is doing to Russia and the other Soviet countries while all this happening? Not really NightmareFuel since we never see his atrocities, (it's a kid's movie after all) but what's to say people aren't dying or being shipped off to the gulag?

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* Dimitri's past. The prologue shows he was knocked out after saving Marie and Anastasia. A small boy captured by an army of violent soldiers? (Who soldiers, who would hate him for even working at the palace). palace? That does not sound good. And even if he survived that, he'd still be abandoned in post-Revolution Russia... You can bet he had a pretty bad time, seeing as he went from a selfless little boy who risked his life to help Anastasia escape to a dishonest conman.
* STALIN IS IN CHARGE by the time the film is taking place. Who knows what he is doing to Russia and the other Soviet countries while all this happening? Not really NightmareFuel since we never see his atrocities, atrocities (it's a kid's movie after all) all), but what's to say people aren't dying or being shipped off to the gulag?
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*** Also the fact that remember that in Russia, only males can inherit the throne thus she can't even legally inherit the throne anyway.
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* ^Not sure about that one. It's one thing to kill a comparatively unknown (at the time outside of Russia) rival politician, it's another to kill royalty residing in exile in a foreign country. Tons of Russian aristocrats and members of the Imperial family lived out their lives all over the world, especially in France, England, the US and certain parts of China. Plus, she's living under an assumed name (Anya) with a former peasant.

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* ^Not *** Not sure about that one. It's one thing to kill a comparatively unknown (at the time outside of Russia) rival politician, it's another to kill royalty residing in exile in a foreign country. Tons of Russian aristocrats and members of the Imperial family lived out their lives all over the world, especially in France, England, the US and certain parts of China. Plus, she's living under an assumed name (Anya) with a former peasant.
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*^Not sure about that one. It's one thing to kill a comparatively unknown (at the time outside of Russia) rival politician, it's another to kill royalty residing in exile in a foreign country. Tons of Russian aristocrats and members of the Imperial family lived out their lives all over the world, especially in France, England, the US and certain parts of China. Plus, she's living under an assumed name (Anya) with a former peasant.
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* Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
** If a genuinely well-meaning one.

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* Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance poor decisioins was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
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* Anya's whole decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That, more than who her parents were, made her who she is. Her future may be with a former servant, but that's the world she feels comfortable in now.
** Anya also spent most of her childhood and adolescence in Soviet Russia, and was probably (justifiably) afraid of the possible consequences of being officially reinstated as the heir to the Russian throne, even if it were just a meaningless title with no actual political power. Granted, her priorities do seem to be starting a new life with Dimitri by the end of the film, though.

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* Anya's whole decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That, more than who her parents were, made her who she is. Her future may be with a former servant, but that's the world she feels comfortable in now.
** Anya also spent most of her childhood and adolescence in Soviet Russia, and was probably (justifiably) afraid of the possible consequences of being officially reinstated as the heir to the Russian throne, even if it were just a meaningless title with no actual political power. Granted, her priorities do seem to be starting a new life with Dimitri by the end of the film, though. film.
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* STALIN IS IN CHARGE by the time the fikm is taking place. Who knows what he is doing to Russia and the other Soviet countries while all this happening? Not really NightmareFuel since we never see his atrocities, (it's a kid's movie after all) but what's to say people aren't dying or being shipped off to the gulag?

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* STALIN IS IN CHARGE by the time the fikm film is taking place. Who knows what he is doing to Russia and the other Soviet countries while all this happening? Not really NightmareFuel since we never see his atrocities, (it's a kid's movie after all) but what's to say people aren't dying or being shipped off to the gulag?

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* STALIN IS IN CHARGE by the time the fikm is taking place. Who knows what he is doing to Russia and the other Soviet countries while all this happening? Not really NightmareFuel since we never see his atrocities, (it's a kid's movie after all) but what's to say people aren't dying or being shipped off to the gulag?
** Furthermore, what were to happen if he found out that one of the Romanovs had survived? Considering that Trotsky was killed in Mexico, Anastasia and Dmitri might not exactly be safe wherever they go.
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* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime in the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[FromBadToWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...

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* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime in the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[FromBadToWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the occupation]]...
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** Anya also spent most of her childhood and adolescence in Soviet Russia, and was probably (justifiably) afraid of the possible consequences of being officially reinstated as the heir to the Russian throne, even if it were just a meaningless title with no actual political power. Granted, her priorities do seem to be starting a new life with Dimitri by the end of the film, though.

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* Dimitri's past. The prologue shows he was knocked out after saving Marie and Anastasia. A small boy captured by an army of violent soldiers? (Who would hate him for even working at the palace). That does not sound good. And even if he survived that, he'd still be abandoned in post-Revolution Russia... You can bet he had a pretty bad time, seeing as he went from a selfless little boy who risked his life to help Anastasia escape to a dishonest conman.

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* Dimitri's past. The prologue shows he was knocked out after saving Marie and Anastasia. A small boy captured by an army of violent soldiers? (Who would hate him for even working at the palace). That does not sound good. And even if he survived that, he'd still be abandoned in post-Revolution Russia... You can bet he had a pretty bad time, seeing as he went from a selfless little boy who risked his life to help Anastasia escape to a dishonest conman.conman.

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* The ballroom at the beginning of the film, and the ballroom at the end look remarkably similar with thrones at the head. At the beginning Anastasia is standing by the throne and Dimitri runs towards her but is not allowed in. At the end, she stops behind the throne and never enters the ballroom. Instead she eventually runs off with Dimitri and marries him. He could never enter that 'ballroom' world, but she left it.
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->Chorus:In the dark of the night,just before '''dawn'''

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FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
* If a genuinely well-meaning one.

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Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
* ** If a genuinely well-meaning one.



FridgeHorror: The train scene. Presumably, Dimitri is the only person who ever checked if there was a conductor. So all the other passengers on that train fell to their deaths.
* And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]

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The train scene. Presumably, Dimitri is the only person who ever checked if there was a conductor. So all the other passengers on that train fell to their deaths.
* ** And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]



** Plus the movie seems to be set in some alternate universe with talking bats and curses etc. The stock market crash and WWII may not even happen there.

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** Plus the movie seems to be set in some alternate universe with talking bats and curses etc. The stock market crash and WWII may not even happen there.there.
* Dimitri's past. The prologue shows he was knocked out after saving Marie and Anastasia. A small boy captured by an army of violent soldiers? (Who would hate him for even working at the palace). That does not sound good. And even if he survived that, he'd still be abandoned in post-Revolution Russia... You can bet he had a pretty bad time, seeing as he went from a selfless little boy who risked his life to help Anastasia escape to a dishonest conman.

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* Anya's whole decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess yadi yada but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That has made her who she is, far more than who her parents were. Her husband may be a former servant and conman but that's the world she belongs in.

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* Anya's whole decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess yadi yada but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That has made her who she is, far That, more than who her parents were. were, made her who she is. Her husband future may be with a former servant and conman servant, but that's the world she belongs in.feels comfortable in now.



** They got by on almost nothing before. They'll get by again. As for WWII, they should be just fine. There is more than a decade for them to go anywhere they wish, including many places that never saw German occupation.

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** They got by on almost nothing before. They'll get by again. As for WWII, they should be just fine. There is more than a decade for them to go anywhere they wish, including many places that never saw German occupation.occupation.
** Plus the movie seems to be set in some alternate universe with talking bats and curses etc. The stock market crash and WWII may not even happen there.
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* Anya's whole decision to marry Dimitri instead of becoming a Princess. By blood she may be the Grand Duchess yadi yada but she's grown up in an orphanage and had to fight in the real world. That has made her who she is, far more than who her parents were. Her husband may be a former servant and conman but that's the world she belongs in.
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** Know what does that [[DarkestHour remind you of?]]

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** Know Now what does that [[DarkestHour remind you of?]]
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*On the subject of Rasputin,he foreshadows his own downfall in his own VillainSong
->Chorus:In the dark of the night,just before '''dawn'''
**Know what does that [[DarkestHour remind you of?]]


* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime int the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[ItGotWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...

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* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime int in the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[ItGotWorse [[FromBadToWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...
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* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime int the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[ItGotWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...

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* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime int the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[ItGotWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...occupation]]...
** They got by on almost nothing before. They'll get by again. As for WWII, they should be just fine. There is more than a decade for them to go anywhere they wish, including many places that never saw German occupation.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
** If a genuinely well-meaning one.
* FridgeHorror: The train scene. Presumably, Dimitri is the only person who ever checked if there was a conductor. So all the other passengers on that train fell to their deaths.
** And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].
** * If a genuinely well-meaning one.
* FridgeHorror: The train scene. Presumably, Dimitri is the only person who ever checked if there was a conductor. So all the other passengers on that train fell to their deaths.
** * And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]
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** Actually, no: they make it a point to show that the whole rear portion of the train is separated from the engine and the baggage car (Vlad: "There goes the dining car!"), so only those two cars crashed. Of course while the engine went into the gorge, the baggage car ripped up the tracks with that grappling hook. Hopefully the rest of the train coasted to a stop before it reached the broken tracks, and no other trains came along behind...anyway, point is, all the other passengers were safe on the rear half of the train. As for the engineer (not the conductor), who knows, though it's possible when the demons made the boiler overheat and he found he couldn't shut it off, the engineer leaped off the train to safety.

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** Actually, no: they make it a point to show that the whole rear portion of the train is separated from the engine and the baggage car (Vlad: "There goes the dining car!"), so only those two cars crashed. Of course while the engine went into the gorge, the baggage car ripped up the tracks with that grappling hook. Hopefully the rest of the train coasted to a stop before it reached the broken tracks, and no other trains came along behind...anyway, point is, all the other passengers were safe on the rear half of the train. As for the engineer (not the conductor), who knows, though it's possible when the demons made the boiler overheat and he found he couldn't shut it off, the engineer leaped off the train to safety.safety.
* Here's one: Anya and Dmitri run off sometime int the late 1920s. The stock market is going to crash in a few years and plunge the world into a depression. And then they're going to be in Paris [[ItGotWorse just in time]] for [[WorldWarII the occupation]]...
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** And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]

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** And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]worse?]]
** Actually, no: they make it a point to show that the whole rear portion of the train is separated from the engine and the baggage car (Vlad: "There goes the dining car!"), so only those two cars crashed. Of course while the engine went into the gorge, the baggage car ripped up the tracks with that grappling hook. Hopefully the rest of the train coasted to a stop before it reached the broken tracks, and no other trains came along behind...anyway, point is, all the other passengers were safe on the rear half of the train. As for the engineer (not the conductor), who knows, though it's possible when the demons made the boiler overheat and he found he couldn't shut it off, the engineer leaped off the train to safety.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]], if a genuinely well-meaning one.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]], if idiot]].
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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].idiot]], if a genuinely well-meaning one.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] [[BlatantLies brilliance]] was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].

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* FridgeBrilliance: Well, when one thinks about Rasputin's role in real life, the revolution may as well be '''''technically''''' and ''partially'' his fault after all. In the end, he did in fact have quite some influence over the Czarina's political decisions, as she appointed him as her personal adviser. One of his many [[EpicFail strokes of]] [[BlatantLies brilliance]] {{b|latantLies}}rilliance was to appoint several common serfs as government officials, of whom ''not one'' [[BookDumb could read or write]]. However, the fact remains that he neither led the revolution nor that he did it because he was evil; he did it because he was, to put it plainly, [[WhatAnIdiot an idiot]].idiot]].
* FridgeHorror: The train scene. Presumably, Dimitri is the only person who ever checked if there was a conductor. So all the other passengers on that train fell to their deaths.
** And while we're at it, what of the conductor himself? Did Rasputin kill him? [[FateWorseThanDeath Or worse?]]

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