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10th Sep '16 11:25:22 PM OrangenChan
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*** Additionally, the suit jacket that Miles wore in 3-4 was very similar in style to Manfred's, but it his own unique color. So he ''was'' influenced by the von Karmas, but Edgeworth is still his own person with the potential to change from them.


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** On the other hand, it would've been even more [[TearJerker horrific]] if Maya ''didn't'' outlive Mia. Considering everything else that happened to [[BigScrewedUpFamily the Feys]], it almost feels like a case of ThrowTheDogABone.
6th Aug '16 12:02:56 PM Aesmerda
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* Ace Attorney is renowned for its [[PunnyName punny naming convention]], but with many of the recurring characters, their slightly more subtle names are very [[MeaningfulName meaningful when you look into them]], causing quite a bit of FridgeBrilliance: The Japanese names were just as, if not even more punny than their English counterparts.

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* Ace Attorney is renowned for its [[PunnyName punny naming convention]], but with many of the recurring characters, their slightly more subtle names are very [[MeaningfulName meaningful when you look into them]], causing quite a bit of FridgeBrilliance: The the Japanese names were just as, if not even more punny than their English counterparts.



* Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth as inverse RedOniBlueOni counterparts; Phoenix as the Red Oni, who jumps into things without thinking sometimes and is outwardly passionate about his job, yet wears blue- and Miles as Blue Oni, cool tempered and initially callous, but wears red. Not only reflects their difference in personality, but sets them up more strongly as rivals in the beginning [[spoiler: which later becomes something more along the lines of them being two sides of the same coin, as they begin to work together in court, especially during Matt Engarde's trial]].
** After [[spoiler:being disbarred]], Phoenix wears darker clothes, as seen in ''Apollo Justice'', representing [[spoiler:how far he seems to have fallen from the man he used to be, and how much darker and more underhand his approach and attitude is now]]. However, the hat he wears is the same bright blue shade as his old suit, and the writing the same colour as his tie, telling us that the old Phoenix is still here, just deferring to this more [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass badass]] version of himself for now. The hat is likely a gift from his daughter (it ''does'' say "Papa"), and representing Trucy as a bright spot in his life who reminds him who he's doing this for. In ''Dual Destinies'', he returns to his old colour scheme- complete with a hint of gold too represent his legendary status in the legal world, and as head of the Wright Anything Agency.
** Don't forget Trucy. She wears a similar outfit to her father Zak Gramarye and has followed in his footsteps as a magician- but she wears blue with a red scarf, much like her adopted daddy's former court wear.

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* ** Phoenix Wright and Miles Edgeworth as inverse RedOniBlueOni counterparts; Phoenix as the Red Oni, red, who jumps into things without thinking sometimes and is outwardly passionate about his job, yet wears blue- and Miles as Blue Oni, blue, cool tempered and initially callous, but wears red. Not It not only reflects their difference in personality, but sets them up more strongly as rivals in the beginning [[spoiler: which later becomes something more along the lines of them being two sides of the same coin, as they begin to work together in court, especially during Matt Engarde's trial]].
** After [[spoiler:being disbarred]], Phoenix wears darker clothes, as seen in ''Apollo Justice'', representing [[spoiler:how far he seems to have fallen from the man he used to be, and how much darker and more underhand underhanded his approach and attitude is now]]. However, the hat he wears is the same bright blue shade as his old suit, and the writing the same colour as his tie, tie- telling us that the old Phoenix is still here, just deferring to this more [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass badass]] version of himself for now. The hat is likely a gift from his daughter (it ''does'' say "Papa"), and representing Trucy as a bright spot in his life who reminds him who he's doing this for. life. In ''Dual Destinies'', he returns to his old colour scheme- complete with a hint of gold too to represent his legendary status in the legal world, and as head of the Wright Anything Agency.
** Don't forget Trucy. She Trucy wears a similar outfit to her father Zak Gramarye and has followed in his footsteps as a magician- but she wears blue with a red scarf, much like her adopted daddy's former court wear.



** It seems slightly odd that Edgeworth doesn't wear the same colours as the von Karmas, seeing how he was mentored by Manfred, who essentially raised him to be a twisted image of everything Gregory Edgeworth stood for. However, then we have [[AceAttorneyInvestigations Ace Attorney Investigations 2]], where we play as Gregory in a flashback: his tie is the exact same colour as his son's suit in the present day, acting as a retroactive sign that Miles really was always Gregory's son at heart.

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** *** It seems slightly odd that Edgeworth doesn't wear the same colours as the von Karmas, seeing how he was mentored by Manfred, who essentially raised him to be a twisted image of everything Gregory Edgeworth stood for. However, then we have [[AceAttorneyInvestigations Ace Attorney Investigations 2]], where we play as Gregory in a flashback: his tie is the exact same colour as his son's suit in the present day, acting as a retroactive sign that Miles really was always Gregory's son at heart.



** Edgeworth wore a little light blue back in the days, also hinting at the trauma of his past, and reflecting the influence of the von Karma's. Later he stopped wearing blue, as he wants to get over it.



*** Interestingly, purple is also associated with death in Asia; reflecting how 'Fey' means 'Close to death'.
*** Morgan Fey, however, wears a black kimono with a hint of red in her sash, [[spoiler:which symbolizes her less-than-sweet intentions for her niece]]. [[spoiler:Her sister Misty, when she reappears,]] also wears black- but in this case it symbolizes [[spoiler:secrecy more than malevolence]], and has additional hints of purple, showing how much stronger her spiritual power was.
** The Gavins. Kristoph wears dusky blue, which seems to almost be a recurring theme for defence attorneys, and highlights his kinship and friendship with Phoenix, as well as his renowned 'Coolest Defence in the West' demeanour. [[spoiler:But notice that he wears a black waistcoat underneath. And it is really ''black''. Represents the terrifying, malevolent darkness he's been hiding under a benevolent smile.]] Then take his little brother, Klavier, who wears a purple jacket- a colour of decadence and pride, very suitable for a relaxed rock-star prosecutor- along with a lot of black, which screams 'arrogant rival who is not to be trusted'. [[spoiler:However, Klavier is genuinely a nice guy who wants the right verdict to be given, rather than be obsessed with winning the way Kristoph is. The fact that he wears the black more openly makes him all that much more of a {{Foil}} to his brother- [[FridgeBrilliance both of their appearances are deceptive at first glance]].]]

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*** Interestingly, purple is also associated with death in Asia; reflecting how 'Fey' means 'Close 'close to death'.
*** Morgan Fey, however, wears a black kimono with a hint of red in from her sash, sash/obi, [[spoiler:which symbolizes her less-than-sweet intentions for her niece]]. [[spoiler:Her sister Misty, when she reappears,]] also wears black- but in this case it symbolizes [[spoiler:secrecy more than malevolence]], and has additional hints of purple, showing how much stronger her spiritual power was.
was, hence why [[spoiler:she was named Master, rather than her older sister]].
** The Gavins. Kristoph wears dusky blue, which seems to almost be a recurring theme for defence attorneys, and highlights his kinship and friendship with Phoenix, as well as his renowned 'Coolest Defence in the West' demeanour. [[spoiler:But notice that he wears a black waistcoat underneath. And it is really ''black''.'''black'''. Represents the terrifying, malevolent darkness he's been hiding under a benevolent smile.]] Then take his little brother, Klavier, who wears a purple jacket- a colour of decadence and pride, very suitable for a relaxed rock-star prosecutor- along with a lot of black, which screams 'arrogant rival who is not to be trusted'. [[spoiler:However, Klavier is genuinely a nice guy who wants the right verdict to be given, rather than be obsessed with winning the way Kristoph is. The fact that he wears the black more openly makes him all that much more of a {{Foil}} to his brother- [[FridgeBrilliance both of their appearances are deceptive at first glance]].]]



** More like FridgeLogic, but during The Inherited Turnabout during AAI:2, von Karma's shocked sprite doesn't grip his shoulder. Of course- [[spoiler: he hasn't been shot there yet.]]
** And where does Franziska Von Karma [[spoiler:get shot in the last case of Justice for All? The shoulder.]]

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** More like FridgeLogic, but during The Inherited Turnabout during AAI:2, von Karma's shocked sprite doesn't grip his shoulder. Of course- [[spoiler: he hasn't been shot there yet.]]
yet]].
** And where does Franziska Von Karma [[spoiler:get shot in the last case of Justice for All? The shoulder.]]]] Apparently [[spoiler: de Killer has been doing some reading on the von Karma family]].



* There's a pretty neat MusicalSpoiler that is this trope: Try listening to Florent L'Belle's theme, then listen to Luke Atmey's theme. They sound rather similar, no? Well, that makes sense; they're both self-centered, SmallNameBigEgo LargeHam characters. But how about this? [[spoiler:Compare Atmey's theme to Masque*[=DeMasque=]/Ron [=DeLite=]'s theme. Atmey's theme is based on [=DeMasque=]'s, and Atmey at one point claims to be [=DeMasque=], having disguised himself thusly to provide an alibi for the murder he committed. [=DeMasque=], as played by Atmey, is a murderous thieving blackmailer who hid his identity behind a mask, a famous identity, that ''wasn't his''. What was L'Belle again? Ah, yes. A murderous blackmailer and attempted thief who hid his identity behind the famous mask of another man. Who it should be noted, is the one who actually does own the mask, which was the person they were blackmailing]]. How's ''that'' for a good case of NotSoDifferent?

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* There's a pretty neat MusicalSpoiler that is this trope: Try try listening to Florent L'Belle's theme, then listen to Luke Atmey's theme. They sound rather similar, no? Well, that makes sense; they're both self-centered, SmallNameBigEgo LargeHam characters. But how about this? [[spoiler:Compare Atmey's theme to Masque*[=DeMasque=]/Ron [=DeLite=]'s theme. Atmey's theme is based on [=DeMasque=]'s, and Atmey at one point claims to be [=DeMasque=], having disguised himself thusly to provide an alibi for the murder he committed. [=DeMasque=], as played by Atmey, is a murderous thieving blackmailer who hid his identity behind a mask, a famous identity, that ''wasn't his''. What was L'Belle again? Ah, yes. A murderous blackmailer and attempted thief who hid his identity behind the famous mask of another man. Who it should be noted, is the one who actually does own the mask, which was the person they were blackmailing]]. How's ''that'' for a good case of NotSoDifferent?



** It has a second, much brighter, meaning. The sword and shield on the prosecutor's award also can represent the prosecution (the halberd), and the defence (the shield). It works great as an analogy for Edgeworth's later choices to think more like a defence attorney (and the fact that during his own games, he acts as one), as the thing representing the prosecution is gone from the prosecutor's shield. Yet he is still a prosecutor, just as the shield is still an award given to prosecutors. There's a third one, too; the two items representing the influences Edgeworth had in his life. First, the halberd representing influences like Manfred von Karma, and the shield representing people like Gregory Edgeworth or Phoenix Wright. Removing the halberd is like removing the influence of von Karma from him, allowing him to act more like his father or best friend.

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** It has a second, much brighter, meaning. The sword and shield on the prosecutor's award also can represent the prosecution (the halberd), and the defence (the shield). It works great as an analogy for Edgeworth's later choices to think more like a defence attorney (and the fact that during his own games, he acts as one), as the thing representing the prosecution is gone from the prosecutor's shield. Yet he is still a prosecutor, just as the shield is still an award given to prosecutors. There's a third one, too; too: the two items representing the influences Edgeworth had in his life. First, the halberd representing influences like Manfred von Karma, and the shield representing people like Gregory Edgeworth or Phoenix Wright. Removing the halberd is like removing the influence of von Karma from him, allowing him to act more like his father or best friend.



* Manfred von Karma's [[spoiler: killing of Gregory Edgeworth on {{Revenge}} of his first penalty ever]] looks like an extreme case of DisproportionateRetribution, and it indeed is. However, his actions take a whole new meaning after playing the fourth case of ''Investigations 2''- the whole reason von Karma was penalized was because [[spoiler:the chief prosecutor was the one who forged evidence (von Karma was an UnwittingPawn) and wanted to cover his tracks]]. He's still guilty of forcing witnesses into giving out false confessions, but his DisproportionateRetribution is not ''as'' disproportionate following that reveal. Problem is, he unleashed it on the wrong person.

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* Manfred von Karma's [[spoiler: killing of Gregory Edgeworth on as {{Revenge}} of for his first penalty ever]] looks like an extreme case of DisproportionateRetribution, and it indeed is. However, his actions take a whole new meaning after playing the fourth case of ''Investigations 2''- the whole reason von Karma was penalized was because [[spoiler:the chief prosecutor was the one who forged evidence (von Karma was an UnwittingPawn) and wanted to cover his tracks]]. He's still guilty of forcing witnesses into giving out forcing false confessions, but his DisproportionateRetribution is not ''as'' disproportionate following that reveal. Problem is, reveal: he just unleashed it on the wrong person.



* The anime adaptation premiered in 2016...the same year that the first game is supposed to take place.

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* The anime adaptation premiered in 2016...2016- the same year that the first game is supposed to take place.
4th Aug '16 7:00:28 AM Cyberlink420
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** More a fridge TearJerker, but as of ''Spirit of Justice'', Maya is now 28...and is now older than her big sister, who died at 27.

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** * More a fridge TearJerker, but as of ''Spirit of Justice'', Maya is now 28...and is now older than her big sister, who died at 27.
18th Jul '16 12:57:42 PM Anderling
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*** [[http://tikkikwami.tumblr.com/post/125503495120/goombella123-your-life-bar-is-the-judges The penalty bar is the judge's patience!]]
13th Jul '16 7:48:09 PM Monolaf317
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** More a fridge TearJerker, but as of ''Spirit of Justice'', Maya is now 28...and is now older than her big sister, who died at 27.

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** More a fridge TearJerker, but as of ''Spirit of Justice'', Maya is now 28...and is now older than her big sister, who died at 27.27.
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13th Jul '16 7:46:51 PM Monolaf317
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* From the first game, although there's no evidence to support it, while interrogating [[spoiler:Polly the parrot]], Phoenix points out their possible relation to [[spoiler: Yanni Yogi]]. Of course, von Karma objects, saying "Bah! A mere coincidence, that's all! My granddaughter has a dog she calls "Phoenix". Well, Mr. Phoenix Wright? Does this make you my granddaughter's fiancee!? She's only seven years old!!!" Now, this is a bit of an offhand statement, until you consider von Karma's ''children''. He only really has Edgeworth and Franziska, and Edgeworth isn't actually his son. So unless there's another mystery child, the mother of the supposed grand-daughter could only be Fraziska. Since she's 18 in Justice for all, she would be 17 in this game, making her a mother at 10 years old. It was all foreshadowing of the existence of another von Karma who is [[AllThereInTheManual Fransizka's sibling]] who we have yet to meet.

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* From the first game, although there's no evidence to support it, while interrogating [[spoiler:Polly the parrot]], Phoenix points out their possible relation to [[spoiler: Yanni Yogi]]. Of course, von Karma objects, saying "Bah! A mere coincidence, that's all! My granddaughter has a dog she calls "Phoenix". Well, Mr. Phoenix Wright? Does this make you my granddaughter's fiancee!? She's only seven years old!!!" Now, this is a bit of an offhand statement, until you consider von Karma's ''children''. He only really has Edgeworth and Franziska, and Edgeworth isn't actually his son. So unless there's another mystery child, the mother of the supposed grand-daughter could only be Fraziska. Since she's 18 in Justice for all, she would be 17 in this game, making her a mother at 10 years old. It was all foreshadowing of the existence of another von Karma who is [[AllThereInTheManual Fransizka's sibling]] who we have yet to meet.
12th Jul '16 1:20:59 PM Cyberlink420
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** Similarly, for Apollo Justice, "Appearances Can Be Deceiving", if you take into account [[spoiler:Phoenix being disbarred but still being very much on the ball and active in the legal world, Kristoph and Klavier's bandmate being evil, Lamiroir being blind rather than Machi, and the whole debacle with forged evidence.]]

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** Similarly, for Apollo Justice, "Appearances Can Be Deceiving", if you take into account [[spoiler:Phoenix being disbarred but still being very much on the ball and active in the legal world, Kristoph and Klavier's bandmate being evil, Lamiroir being blind rather than Machi, and the whole debacle with forged evidence.]]]]
** More a fridge TearJerker, but as of ''Spirit of Justice'', Maya is now 28...and is now older than her big sister, who died at 27.
17th Jun '16 5:14:31 AM normal19
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* In the climax of the final case of ''Dual Destinies'', [[spoiler: the phantom is sniped in the middle of his VillainousBreakdown. Considering how everyone was so afraid of Blackquill for the rest of the game, it seems strange how no one so much as jumps out of their seat at the sound of gunfire, and even the judge just calmly states that the police were dispatched after the sniper. However, assassins have figured into the story multiple times before, and they've made it very clear that they never harm anyone they don't target.]]
17th Jun '16 2:20:54 AM Nepeta
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*** Interestingly, purple is also associated with death in Asia; reflecting how 'Fey' means 'Close to death'.
16th Jun '16 8:53:37 AM Nepeta
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* Edgeworth wore a little light blue back in the days, also hinting at the trauma of his past, and reflecting the influence of the von Karma's. Later he stopped wearing blue, as he wants to get over it.

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* ** Edgeworth wore a little light blue back in the days, also hinting at the trauma of his past, and reflecting the influence of the von Karma's. Later he stopped wearing blue, as he wants to get over it.
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