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* The English Dub's insistence that Ace Attorney takes place in the United States (specifically Los Angeles) opens up a fairly horrific DubInducedPlotHole: by the mid-2010s in this universe, the USA has apparently abolished trial by jury, a right that is guaranteed in the U.S.'s Constitution. What on earth ''happened'' to cause this to occur? The dub of ''Apollo Justice'' even mentions, expliclity, that trial by jury was abolished...and despite the reforms made in that game, it hasn't come back.
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* When Blackquill breaks his restraints for the first time, Apollo and the Judge panic, only for Blackquill to quip that he doesn't kill cowards. [[spoiler: After seeing the final case, [[MetaphoricallyTrue it's very likely that he's never killed]] ''[[MetaphoricallyTrue anyone]]'' [[MetaphoricallyTrue before]], having been definitively cleared of the UR-1 incident and no mention of him killing anyone while imprisoned. He's probably willing to make an exception for the Phantom, which is why he threatened to attack him when the latter tried to escape, but [[KickTheSonOfABitch can you blame him?]]]]

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* When Blackquill breaks his restraints for the first time, Apollo and the Judge panic, only for Blackquill to quip that he doesn't kill cowards. [[spoiler: After seeing the final case, [[MetaphoricallyTrue it's very likely that he's never killed]] ''[[MetaphoricallyTrue anyone]]'' [[MetaphoricallyTrue before]], having been definitively cleared of the UR-1 incident and no mention of him killing anyone while imprisoned. He's probably willing to make an exception for the Phantom, which is why he threatened to attack him when the latter tried to escape, but [[KickTheSonOfABitch [[AssholeVictim can you blame him?]]]]
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* The victims of Redd White's blackmailing are noted as having committed "suicide". The interesting thing about that is.... "suicide" is always presented as being in quotes. It's never not presented that way. The game notably doesn't do this with Celeste Inpax's suicide, so why these? It's very peculiar, and the list itself pushes White into confessing, even though a list of names by itself doesn't mean much, even if he was blackmailing them. He also had a very solid plan set up well in advance for murdering Mia and was very comfortable with the murder. If you take a step back it seems pretty clear that Redd White is implied to be a serial killer. Most of the deaths are framed as suicides, all except Mia's, since he had someone he could frame for her murder. Mia didn't want to take White down just for blackmail- she wanted to take him down as a serial killer.
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** Probably the same organization/government trying to recover a MagicMeteor that fell into a certain [[VideoGame/GhostTrick Temsik Park]]. The entire case is about another space rock after all...

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** Probably the same organization/government trying to recover a MagicMeteor that fell into a certain [[VideoGame/GhostTrick Temsik Park]]. The entire case is about another space rock after all... [[spoiler: as for the sniper, my money's on Two-Steps-Ahead-Teego.]]
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** Probably the same organization/government trying to recover a MagicMeteor that fell into a certain [[VideoGame/GhostTrick Temsik Park]]. The entire case is about another space rock after all...
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* Both Mia and Apollo had varying degree of trouble with ''Winston Payne'' of all people (Grossberg himself admits that Payne is known as the Rookie Killer). So why Phoenix doesn't have as much trouble with him the first time he faces him? Becasue he was the defendant of a case Payne prosecuted. He already knew all of his tactics.

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* Both Mia and Apollo had varying degree of trouble with ''Winston Payne'' of all people (Grossberg himself admits that Payne is known as the Rookie Killer). So why Phoenix doesn't have as much trouble with him the first time he faces him? Becasue Because he was the defendant of a case Payne prosecuted. He already knew all of his tactics.
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* Both Mia and Apollo had varying degree of trouble with ''Winston Payne'' of all people (Grossberg himself admits that Payne is known as the Rookie Killer). So why Phoenix doesn't have as much trouble with him the first time he faces him? Becasue he was the defendant of a case Payne prosecuted. He already knew all of his tactics.

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** Trucy wears a similar outfit to her father Zak Gramarye and has followed in his footsteps as a magician- but she wears blue with a red scarf, much like her adopted daddy's former court wear.
*** Trucy is literally wearing her mother's stage costume from when she was still with the Gramarye troupe.

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** Trucy wears a In-universe, Trucy's outfit is similar outfit to her father Zak Gramarye and identical to her mother Thalassa Gramarye, as she has followed in his their footsteps as a magician- but magician. From a character design perspective, though, she wears blue with a red scarf, much like her adopted daddy's former court wear.
*** Trucy is literally wearing her mother's stage costume from when she was still with the Gramarye troupe.
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* In universe, Phoenix has a huge notoriety for bluffing which makes a lot more sense when you remember the game's health-like penalty system, meaning players are expected to make some wrong guesses between their correct answers. From the court's perspective, it looks like Phoenix is misleading them while he desperately comes up with crazy theories to save his client, closing in on the Wright one.

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** We actually have a whole game to use as reference, as it's been stated that VideoGame/GhostTrickPhantomDetective takes place in the same universe as Ace Attorney. According to that game, spirits of the deceased experience complete amnesia until they are reminded of who they are by an external party. This may be why the Kurain Channeling Technique requires the medium to know the face and true name of the spirit, to remind them of who they are so they can regain their memory and be of any help at all.
*** What is the proofs that both games are in the same universe ?
*** WordOfGod.

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** We actually have a whole game to use as reference, as As it's been stated by WordOfGod that VideoGame/GhostTrickPhantomDetective takes place in the same universe as Ace Attorney. According to that game, spirits of the deceased experience complete amnesia until they are reminded of who they are by an external party. This may be why the Kurain Channeling Technique requires the medium to know the face and true name of the spirit, to remind them of who they are so they can regain their memory and be of any help at all.
*** What is the proofs that both games are in the same universe ?
*** WordOfGod.
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*** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Phoenix and Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]? Considering how Ga'ran [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem changes the law on a whim]], I'd say a lot.]]

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*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam hitman on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.hitman.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Phoenix and Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]? Considering how Ga'ran [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem changes the law on a whim]], I'd say a lot.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Phoenix and Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]

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*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Phoenix and Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]] Ga'ran]]? Considering how Ga'ran [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem changes the law on a whim]], I'd say a lot.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]

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*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Phoenix and Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]
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*** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]

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*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmmoralAttorney [[AmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]
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*** The most horrifying thing? [[spoilers: Gant is '''''[[VillainHasAPoint absolutely right]]''''': some criminals are so dangerous, you have to break the law yourself to stop them. Let's see how many times our heroes proved Gant was right:]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]

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*** The most horrifying thing? [[spoilers: [[spoiler: Gant is '''''[[VillainHasAPoint absolutely right]]''''': some criminals are so dangerous, you have to break the law yourself to stop them. Let's see how many times our heroes proved Gant was right:]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
*** **** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]
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*** The most horrifying thing? [[spoilers: Gant is '''''[[VillainHasAPoint absolutely right]]''''': some criminals are so dangerous, you have to break the law yourself to stop them. Let's see how many times our heroes proved Gant was right:]]
**** [[spoiler: Phoenix blackmailed Redd White into turning in.]]
**** [[spoiler: Phoenix and Edgeworth sicced a hitmam on his own client by revealing said client intended to blackmail said hitmam.]]
**** [[spoiler: Edgeworth used forged evidence and had Shi-Long Lang abuse his power as an Interpol agent with a team of 100 to take down Quercus Alba, a smuggler who had diplomatic immunity due to being an ambassador.]]
**** [[spoiler: Apollo used forged evidence to bring down [[AmmoralAttorney Kristoph Gavin]].]]
**** [[spoiler: Who knows ''how'' many laws Apollo broke in Khura'in, just to dethrone [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Ga'ran]]?]]
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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills. The defendant is a character who appears in other cases of the game. Phoenix Wright faces off against Winston Payne's brother Gaspen, who shows that he's a lot more slimy than his brother.

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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills. The defendant is a character who appears in other cases of the game. Phoenix Wright faces off against Winston Payne's brother Gaspen, Gaspen Payne, who shows that he's a lot more slimy than his brother.
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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills. The defendant is a character who appears in other cases of the game.

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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills. The defendant is a character who appears in other cases of the game.
game. Phoenix Wright faces off against Winston Payne's brother Gaspen, who shows that he's a lot more slimy than his brother.
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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills.

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** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills.
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* Going in release order, the starting case for each pair of games follows a pattern:
** 1-1 and 2-1's culprits are revealed at the intro cutscene, and has Phoenix Wright follow an in-universe tutorial. The culprit isn't very competent at his testimony in spite of attempting to display a cheery demeanor, and is never seen again. The assistant is one of the Feys, and the defendant makes an appearance in a later game. Winston Payne looks identical in both cases.
** 3-1 and 4-1 has Phoenix Wright as the defendant in a massively different time period compared to the original trilogy, and the intro cutscene focuses on him instead of the original culprit. As a result, the defense attorney and player character is someone else. One of the witnesses is a woman who seems innocent but has a hidden agenda and a more hostile personality. The case itself is an aftermath of a whole other flashback case that ended inconclusively and the culprit's plan was executed perfectly, only to be confronted and arrested here. Said culprit ends up being the BigBad of the entire game and the larger threat in the final case. Winston Payne has more hair.
** 5-1 and 6-1 go back to the obvious culprits shown in their intro cutscenes, but said culprits have some relevance in the final case to a minor degree because of an item that plays a role there and having interacted with the BigBad of the game indirectly. The culprit has a theme surrounding electronic devices. Phoenix Wright is introduced to a new investigation mechanic that ends up revealing vital bits of information on the case thanks to his interpretation skills.
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** The visual implications are taken up a notch in ''Dual Destinies'', where invariably one of the murderer's VillainousBreakdown scenes involves their appearance changing to reflect what's going on BeneathTheMask. [[spoiler:Ted Tonate's goggles explode as he goes completely AxCrazy from his previous stoic smugness; Florent L'Belle loses his makeup and artificial hair coloring, developing a shabbier as how truly ass-deep in debt he now is occurs to him; Aristotle Means restyles his hair to be far more warlike when he decides to stop playing games and reveal himself for the KnightTemplar he really is, then loses the teeth he flashes when he's disagreeing with someone as his arguments break down; and Phantom's Phoenix mask becomes a little loose fitting as he feels fear for the first time in a while, then begins to randomly switch when he has a full identity crisis. The only exception is Yuri Cosmos, who isn't a villain, but even his breakdown is an example – he messes up the controls on his segway, showing how he's utterly lost control of the situation and failed to prevent the explosion he was afraid of.]]

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** The visual implications are taken up a notch in ''Dual Destinies'', where invariably one of the murderer's VillainousBreakdown scenes involves their appearance changing to reflect what's going on BeneathTheMask. [[spoiler:Ted Tonate's goggles explode as he goes completely AxCrazy from his previous stoic smugness; Florent L'Belle loses his makeup and artificial hair coloring, developing a shabbier as how truly ass-deep in debt he now is occurs to him; Marlon Rimes hulks up and remains stubborn during his testimony when he's determined to get supposed payback against Ora, only to collapse and lose all hope when he figures out the truth; Aristotle Means restyles his hair to be far more warlike when he decides to stop playing games and reveal himself for the KnightTemplar he really is, then loses the teeth he flashes when he's disagreeing with someone as his arguments break down; and Phantom's Phoenix mask becomes a little loose fitting as he feels fear for the first time in a while, then begins to randomly switch when he has a full identity crisis. The only exception is Yuri Cosmos, who isn't a villain, but even his breakdown is an example – he messes up the controls on his segway, showing how he's utterly lost control of the situation and failed to prevent the explosion he was afraid of.]]

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* Why is Damon Gant so antagonistic towards Edgeworth? Edgeworth was the winner of the King of Prosecutors award, and the only one considered qualified enough to prosecute the Chief Prosecutor. If Lana Skye was to get arrested, Edgeworth would likely become Chief Prosecutor, and that would end Gant's control over the Prosecutors Office.



* Why is Damon Gant so antagonistic towards Edgeworth? Edgeworth was the winner of the King of Prosecutors award, and the only one considered qualified enough to prosecute the Chief Prosecutor. If Lana Skye was to get arrested, Edgeworth would likely become Chief Prosecutor, and that would end Gant's control over the Prosecutors Office.
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** The visual implications are taken UpToEleven in ''Dual Destinies'', where invariably one of the murderer's VillainousBreakdown scenes involves their appearance changing to reflect what's going on BeneathTheMask. [[spoiler:Ted Tonate's goggles explode as he goes completely AxCrazy from his previous stoic smugness; Florent L'Belle loses his makeup and artificial hair coloring, developing a shabbier as how truly ass-deep in debt he now is occurs to him; Aristotle Means restyles his hair to be far more warlike when he decides to stop playing games and reveal himself for the KnightTemplar he really is, then loses the teeth he flashes when he's disagreeing with someone as his arguments break down; and Phantom's Phoenix mask becomes a little loose fitting as he feels fear for the first time in a while, then begins to randomly switch when he has a full identity crisis. The only exception is Yuri Cosmos, who isn't a villain, but even his breakdown is an example – he messes up the controls on his segway, showing how he's utterly lost control of the situation and failed to prevent the explosion he was afraid of.]]

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** The visual implications are taken UpToEleven up a notch in ''Dual Destinies'', where invariably one of the murderer's VillainousBreakdown scenes involves their appearance changing to reflect what's going on BeneathTheMask. [[spoiler:Ted Tonate's goggles explode as he goes completely AxCrazy from his previous stoic smugness; Florent L'Belle loses his makeup and artificial hair coloring, developing a shabbier as how truly ass-deep in debt he now is occurs to him; Aristotle Means restyles his hair to be far more warlike when he decides to stop playing games and reveal himself for the KnightTemplar he really is, then loses the teeth he flashes when he's disagreeing with someone as his arguments break down; and Phantom's Phoenix mask becomes a little loose fitting as he feels fear for the first time in a while, then begins to randomly switch when he has a full identity crisis. The only exception is Yuri Cosmos, who isn't a villain, but even his breakdown is an example – he messes up the controls on his segway, showing how he's utterly lost control of the situation and failed to prevent the explosion he was afraid of.]]
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*** And even after [[spoiler:the revelations regarding their true character, the color schemes of Blackquill and Fake Fulbright/Phantom can still work, just in a different way. Blackquill is a terrifying, manipulative, and rather snarky prosecutor on the surface (black), but deep down he is still a good man, devoted to truth, justice, and the people he cares about (white), [[NotSoDifferent just like Phoenix]], the Yang in Yin. Phantom, meanwhile, leaves no traces of his existence and is impersonating a dead man (much like a real ghost) (white), has a lot of blood on his hands (red), and is at his core a cold-hearted, murderous sociopath (blue), the Yin in Yang]].

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*** And even after [[spoiler:the revelations regarding their true character, the color schemes of Blackquill and Fake Fulbright/Phantom can still work, just in a different way. Blackquill is a terrifying, manipulative, and rather snarky prosecutor on the surface (black), but deep down he is still a good man, devoted to truth, justice, and the people he cares about (white), [[NotSoDifferent just like Phoenix]], Phoenix, the Yang in Yin. Phantom, meanwhile, leaves no traces of his existence and is impersonating a dead man (much like a real ghost) (white), has a lot of blood on his hands (red), and is at his core a cold-hearted, murderous sociopath (blue), the Yin in Yang]].



* There's a pretty neat MusicalSpoiler that is this trope: try listening to Florent L'Belle's theme, then listen to Luke Atmey's theme. They sound rather similar, no? Well, that makes sense; they're both self-centered, SmallNameBigEgo LargeHam characters. But how about this? [[spoiler:Compare Atmey's theme to Masque*[=DeMasque=]/Ron [=DeLite=]'s theme. Atmey's theme is based on [=DeMasque=]'s, and Atmey at one point claims to be [=DeMasque=], having disguised himself thusly to provide an alibi for the murder he committed. [=DeMasque=], as played by Atmey, is a murderous thieving blackmailer who hid his identity behind a mask, a famous identity, that ''wasn't his''. What was L'Belle again? Ah, yes. A murderous blackmailer and attempted thief who hid his identity behind the famous mask of another man. Who it should be noted, is the one who actually does own the mask, which was the person they were blackmailing]]. How's ''that'' for a good case of NotSoDifferent?

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* There's a pretty neat MusicalSpoiler that is this trope: try listening to Florent L'Belle's theme, then listen to Luke Atmey's theme. They sound rather similar, no? Well, that makes sense; they're both self-centered, SmallNameBigEgo LargeHam characters. But how about this? [[spoiler:Compare Atmey's theme to Masque*[=DeMasque=]/Ron [=DeLite=]'s theme. Atmey's theme is based on [=DeMasque=]'s, and Atmey at one point claims to be [=DeMasque=], having disguised himself thusly to provide an alibi for the murder he committed. [=DeMasque=], as played by Atmey, is a murderous thieving blackmailer who hid his identity behind a mask, a famous identity, that ''wasn't his''. What was L'Belle again? Ah, yes. A murderous blackmailer and attempted thief who hid his identity behind the famous mask of another man. Who it should be noted, is the one who actually does own the mask, which was the person they were blackmailing]]. How's ''that'' for a good case of NotSoDifferent?"not so different"?



* An extremely subtle bit of foreshadowing in Rise From The Ashes is this—Damon Gant has an [[NonstandardCharacterDesign abnormal eye design compared to other characters.]] Rather than black pupils, his are white. The only other person who has that character detail? [[spoiler: Joe Darke, the serial killer he framed for Neil Marshall’s murder. It foreshadows that they’re NotSoDifferent, and Gant’s connection to Neil’s death!]]

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* An extremely subtle bit of foreshadowing in Rise From The Ashes is this—Damon Gant has an [[NonstandardCharacterDesign abnormal eye design compared to other characters.]] Rather than black pupils, his are white. The only other person who has that character detail? [[spoiler: Joe Darke, the serial killer he framed for Neil Marshall’s murder. It foreshadows that they’re NotSoDifferent, not so different, and Gant’s connection to Neil’s death!]]

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