Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Kyle constantly throws around homophobic, ableist, sexist and overall derogatory comments to everyone he meets, but this is mainly just to emphasize what an unpleasant and hated douchebag he is, since everyone around him can’t stand him and know that his comments do the furthest from endearing himself to them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 43 (click to see context) from:
to:
* UndignifiedDeath: [[spoiler: Kyle accidentally kills himself while performing erotic asphyxiation. Lance tries to make it look like a suicide to make the situation less embarassing.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 41 (click to see context) from:
* TeensAreMonsters: Kyle. He probably would have been a school shooter [[spoiler:if he didn't accidentally kill himself by autoerotic aspyxiation.]]
to:
* TeensAreMonsters: Kyle. He probably would have been a school shooter or worse [[spoiler:if he didn't accidentally kill himself by autoerotic aspyxiation.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
YMMV
Deleted line(s) 27 (click to see context) :
* EsotericHappyEnding: Lance Clayton loses his job as a teacher and is despised by his former co-workers, his community (and, due to his fame, people around the country) for using the claim that his poetry was actually written by his deceased son as a ruse to gain publicity. On the other hand, in the final scene, Lance is able to do what he wanted all along: spend time with authentic people who appreciated him for who he really is.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EsotericHappyEnding: Lance Clayton loses his job as a teacher and is despised by his former co-workers, his community (and, due to his fame, people around the country) for using the claim that his poetry was actually written by his deceased son as a ruse to gain publicity. On the other hand, in the final scene, Lance is able to do what he wanted all along: spend time with authentic people who appreciated him for who he really is.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled but struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet acting like a jerk.
to:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle [[spoiler:Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled but struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet acting like a jerk.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Kyle wasn't a victim. He accidentally killed himself.
Deleted line(s) 19 (click to see context) :
* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: Kyle. Lance, society and the world are all probably better off for it.]]
Changed line(s) 29 (click to see context) from:
* HateSink: Kyle is a loathsome teenager with absolutely no redeeming qualities, and exists solely for the audience to hate him.
to:
* HateSink: Kyle is a loathsome teenager with absolutely no redeeming qualities, and who exists solely for the audience to hate him.him. [[spoiler:Lance, society and the world are all probably better off with him dead.]]
Changed line(s) 35 (click to see context) from:
* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead
to:
* NeverSpeakIllOfTheDeadNeverSpeakIllOfTheDead: Everybody except for Lance and Andrew hated Kyle when he was alive. [[spoiler:That all changed after he died and was made a martyr.]]
Changed line(s) 42 (click to see context) from:
* TeensAreMonsters: Kyle.
to:
* TeensAreMonsters: Kyle. He probably would have been a school shooter [[spoiler:if he didn't accidentally kill himself by autoerotic aspyxiation.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 9,10 (click to see context) from:
Much like ''Film/{{Psycho}}'', most of the film's plot is driven by a {{Spoiler}} that happens early on in the film. However, the film is not old enough for this to be a case of ItWasHisSled / AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame.
to:
Much like ''Film/{{Psycho}}'', most of the film's plot is driven by a {{Spoiler}} that [[FirstEpisodeTwist happens early on in the film. However, the film is not old enough for this to be a case of ItWasHisSled / AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame.
film]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
* DeathWail: [[spoiler: Similar to the climatic scene in the third film of ''Film/TheGodfather'', when Lance finds that his own son is dead, "Don't Be Afraid, You're Already Dead" by Akron/Family drowns out his primal and heartwrenching wails of grief.]]
to:
* DeathWail: [[spoiler: Similar to the climatic scene in the third film of ''Film/TheGodfather'', when Lance finds that his own son is dead, "Don't Be Afraid, You're Already Dead" by Akron/Family drowns out his primal and heartwrenching wails of grief.anguish.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* DeathWail: [[spoiler: Similar to the climatic scene in the third film of ''Film/TheGodfather'', when Lance finds that his own son is dead, "Don't Be Afraid, You're Already Dead" by Akron/Family drowns out his primal and heartwrenching wails of grief.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
* ContemptibleCover: Some people who otherwise would have seen this film were driven away by the poster (above), since no one seems to have told the designers that "red text on a white background" has become synonymous with [[Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg extremely horrible movies]]. Also, considering the last Creator/RobinWilliams film to use the "red text on a white background" cliche was ''License To Wed''... thank goodness the DVD cover is much different.
to:
* ContemptibleCover: Some people who otherwise would have seen this film were driven away by the poster (above), since no one seems to have told the designers that [[RedAndWhiteComedyPoster "red text on a white background" background"]] has become synonymous with [[Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg extremely horrible movies]].LowestCommonDenominator [[invoked]] movies (re: Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg). Also, considering the last Creator/RobinWilliams film to use the "red text on a white background" cliche was ''License To Wed''... thank goodness the DVD cover is much different.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 30 (click to see context) from:
* MaleFrontalNudity: Robin Williams strips down to only his socks for the final scene where Lance jumps off a diving board after [[spoiler:revealing the truth about what happened to Kyle]]. Not meant as {{Fanservice}} or even FanDisservice, but symbolic of how he's stripped off everything from his old life and become reborn. Most viewers still call it FanDisservice (unless of course they're [[FanGirl really into Robin Williams]]). Incidentally, [[BestKnownForTheFanservice this is the only part of the film interviewers seem to want to talk about with Robin and Bobcat]]. Robin and Bobcat are more than happy to answer, however.
to:
* MaleFrontalNudity: Robin Williams strips down to only his socks for the final scene where Lance jumps off a diving board after [[spoiler:revealing the truth about what happened to Kyle]]. Not meant as {{Fanservice}} or even FanDisservice, but symbolic of how he's stripped off everything from his old life and become reborn. Most viewers still call it FanDisservice (unless of course they're [[FanGirl really into Robin Williams]]). Incidentally, [[BestKnownForTheFanservice this is the only part of the film interviewers seem to want to talk about with Robin and Bobcat]]. Robin and Bobcat are more than happy to answer, however.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 25 (click to see context) from:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled by struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet acting like a jerk.
to:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled by but struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet acting like a jerk.
Changed line(s) 38 (click to see context) from:
* SchoolUniformsAreTheNewBlack: Andrew. As mentioned on the commentary, this is because he dislikes going home because of his alcoholic mother.
to:
* SchoolUniformsAreTheNewBlack: Andrew. As mentioned on in the commentary, this is because he dislikes going home because of his alcoholic mother.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Quality upgrade
Changed line(s) 1,2 (click to see context) from:
[[quoteright:275:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/worlds_greatest_dad_poster.jpg]]
to:
[[quoteright:275:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/worlds_greatest_dad_poster.jpg]]
org/pmwiki/pub/images/wgd.png]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 25,26 (click to see context) from:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled by struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet with a JerkassFacade.
* EroticAsphyxiation: [[spoiler:How Kyle dies, as said above.]]
* EroticAsphyxiation: [[spoiler:How Kyle dies, as said above.]]
to:
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled by struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet with acting like a JerkassFacade.
jerk.
* EroticAsphyxiation: [[spoiler:How Kyledies, as said above.dies.]]
* EroticAsphyxiation: [[spoiler:How Kyle
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Even Evil Has Loved Ones would be if Kyle genuinely loved his dad and not the other way around.
Deleted line(s) 27 (click to see context) :
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: [[spoiler: Kyle might be an absolute asshole, but Lance is nevertheless genuinely shocked and grieved to discover that he is dead. He might not especially ''like'' his son, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love him.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
As pointed out, not really Pac Man Fever - it's used correctly and it still had a strong fanbase in 2008.
Deleted line(s) 38 (click to see context) :
* PacManFever: All the technology in the movie is contemporary to the time it was filmed, 2008, yet Kyle's game of choice is ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}''. Then again, [[TruthInTelevision DOOM is still incredibly popular today]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Jerk With A Heart Of Jerk is when a jerkass character subverts a Pet The Dog moment. Nothing of the sort ever happens with Kyle, and as such, he qualifies as more of a Hate Sink.
* HateSink: Kyle is a loathsome teenager with absolutely no redeeming qualities, and exists solely for the audience to hate him.
Deleted line(s) 30 (click to see context) :
* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk: Kyle has absolutely no redeeming qualities.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: [[spoiler: Kyle might be an absolute asshole, but Lance is nevertheless genuinely shocked and grieved to discover that he is dead. He might not especially ''like'' his son, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love him.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 3,4 (click to see context) from:
''Film/{{Heathers}}'' [[XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/DeadPoetsSociety'' [-[[RecycledINSPACE WITH]] [[NakedPeopleAreFunny A]] [[{{Fanservice}} NU]][[FanDisservice DE]] [[Creator/RobinWilliams ROBIN WILLIAMS!]]-]
to:
''Film/{{Heathers}}'' [[XMeetsY [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/DeadPoetsSociety'' [-[[RecycledINSPACE WITH]] [[NakedPeopleAreFunny A]] [[{{Fanservice}} NU]][[FanDisservice DE]] [[Creator/RobinWilliams ROBIN WILLIAMS!]]-]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Use ":" instead of "-" please
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
* EroticAsphyxiation - [[spoiler:How Kyle dies, as said above.]]
to:
* EroticAsphyxiation - EroticAsphyxiation: [[spoiler:How Kyle dies, as said above.]]
Changed line(s) 30 (click to see context) from:
* MaleFrontalNudity - Robin Williams strips down to only his socks for the final scene where Lance jumps off a diving board after [[spoiler:revealing the truth about what happened to Kyle]]. Not meant as {{Fanservice}} or even FanDisservice, but symbolic of how he's stripped off everything from his old life and become reborn. Most viewers still call it FanDisservice (unless of course they're [[FanGirl really into Robin Williams]]). Incidentally, [[BestKnownForTheFanservice this is the only part of the film interviewers seem to want to talk about with Robin and Bobcat]]. Robin and Bobcat are more than happy to answer, however.
to:
* MaleFrontalNudity - MaleFrontalNudity: Robin Williams strips down to only his socks for the final scene where Lance jumps off a diving board after [[spoiler:revealing the truth about what happened to Kyle]]. Not meant as {{Fanservice}} or even FanDisservice, but symbolic of how he's stripped off everything from his old life and become reborn. Most viewers still call it FanDisservice (unless of course they're [[FanGirl really into Robin Williams]]). Incidentally, [[BestKnownForTheFanservice this is the only part of the film interviewers seem to want to talk about with Robin and Bobcat]]. Robin and Bobcat are more than happy to answer, however.
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* MoodWhiplash - Claire sexually teasing and fondling Lance is followed right by [[spoiler:Kyle's death.]]
to:
* MoodWhiplash - MoodWhiplash: Claire sexually teasing and fondling Lance is followed right by [[spoiler:Kyle's death.]]
Changed line(s) 35 (click to see context) from:
* NeverTrustATrailer - [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PkGTjZccNE The trailer]] makes it seem like it's just about Robin Williams raising an extremely difficult son. They do show clips of Robin's nude pool dive from the ending, but they make it seem more comical than it really is. On the other hand...
to:
* NeverTrustATrailer - NeverTrustATrailer: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PkGTjZccNE The trailer]] makes it seem like it's just about Robin Williams raising an extremely difficult son. They do show clips of Robin's nude pool dive from the ending, but they make it seem more comical than it really is. On the other hand...
Changed line(s) 37 (click to see context) from:
* PacManFever - All the technology in the movie is contemporary to the time it was filmed, 2008, yet Kyle's game of choice is ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}''. Then again, [[TruthInTelevision DOOM is still incredibly popular today]].
to:
* PacManFever - PacManFever: All the technology in the movie is contemporary to the time it was filmed, 2008, yet Kyle's game of choice is ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}''. Then again, [[TruthInTelevision DOOM is still incredibly popular today]].
Changed line(s) 40 (click to see context) from:
* ShoutOut - Lance quotes Creator/SimonPegg on modern zombies ("Death is an impediment, not an energy drink").
to:
* ShoutOut - ShoutOut: Lance quotes Creator/SimonPegg on modern zombies ("Death is an impediment, not an energy drink").
Changed line(s) 42,44 (click to see context) from:
* TeensAreMonsters - Kyle.
* TrailersAlwaysSpoil - Anyone who read any news articles on the film before they saw it would already know that [[spoiler:Kyle dies.]] The Netflix blurb also spoils that point.
* TrailersAlwaysSpoil - Anyone who read any news articles on the film before they saw it would already know that [[spoiler:Kyle dies.]] The Netflix blurb also spoils that point.
to:
* TeensAreMonsters - TeensAreMonsters: Kyle.
*TrailersAlwaysSpoil - TrailersAlwaysSpoil: Anyone who read any news articles on the film before they saw it would already know that [[spoiler:Kyle dies.]] The Netflix blurb also spoils that point.
*
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 21 (click to see context) from:
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: When we first see Lance's sparse class, he gets frustrated when one student just reads the lyrics to [[Music/{{Queen}} "Under Pressure"]] and claims them as his own, asking that his students strive for original and, more importantly, personal creations. This is followed by a female student ready a ''very'' [[{{Squick}} detailed]] poem about [[NoPeriodsPeriod having her period]].
to:
* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: When we first see Lance's sparse class, he gets frustrated when one student just reads the lyrics to [[Music/{{Queen}} "Under Pressure"]] and claims them as his own, asking that his students strive for original and, more importantly, personal creations. This is followed by a female student ready reading a ''very'' [[{{Squick}} detailed]] poem about [[NoPeriodsPeriod having her period]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 19 (click to see context) from:
* AssholeVictim
to:
* AssholeVictimAssholeVictim: [[spoiler: Kyle. Lance, society and the world are all probably better off for it.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* JerkAssHasAPoint: As unpleasant and dumb as he is, Kyle still makes an accurate observation of Claire being stuck up and fake.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* DeadArtistsAreBetter: Zig-zagged. Kyle was not an artist while he was alive. The only worthwhile thing he ever did was masturbate and leer after any woman who couldn't see him. It's not until Lance, a skilled by struggling writer, forges his suicide note (and Kyle isn't around to disprove any of it) that he's seen as a sensitive poet with a JerkassFacade.
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
* TheFriendNobodyLikes: Though "friend" may be a stretch. Kyle has exactly one friend, Andrew, and even ''he's'' on the receiving end of a considerable amount of abuse. Literally everyone else at school hates how much of a misanthropic, sexist asshole he is.
to:
* TheFriendNobodyLikes: Though "friend" may be a stretch. Kyle has exactly one friend, Andrew, and even ''he's'' on the receiving end of a considerable amount of abuse. Literally everyone else at school hates how much of a misanthropic, sexist asshole he Kyle is.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* TheFriendNobodyLikes: Though "friend" may be a stretch. Kyle has exactly one friend, Andrew, and even ''he's'' on the receiving end of a considerable amount of abuse. Literally everyone else at school hates how much of a misanthropic, sexist asshole he is.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* SpoilerCover: Although the trailer presents the film as a standard disconnected father/uninterested son plot, the first words on the back cover are: [[spoiler:After his son dies in an embarrassing accident...]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
* ContemptibleCover: Some people who otherwise would have seen this film were driven away by the poster (above), since no one seems to have told the designers that "red text on a white background" has become synonymous with [[SeltzerAndFriedberg extremely horrible movies]]. Also, considering the last Creator/RobinWilliams film to use the "red text on a white background" cliche was ''License To Wed''... thank goodness the DVD cover is much different.
to:
* ContemptibleCover: Some people who otherwise would have seen this film were driven away by the poster (above), since no one seems to have told the designers that "red text on a white background" has become synonymous with [[SeltzerAndFriedberg [[Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg extremely horrible movies]]. Also, considering the last Creator/RobinWilliams film to use the "red text on a white background" cliche was ''License To Wed''... thank goodness the DVD cover is much different.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11,12 (click to see context) from:
This film was made in 2008 and opened at Sundance in early 2009, and is now on DVD and Blu-Ray. It was directed by Creator/BobcatGoldthwait, who also directed ''ShakesTheClown'' (in which Robin has an uncredited cameo) and ''Film/SleepingDogsLie'', a romantic comedy where a girl reveals she fellated a dog in college and her relationships start to fall apart ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Dogs_Lie_%282006_film%29 We don't make these things up, folks]]).
to:
This film was made in 2008 and opened at Sundance in early 2009, and is now on DVD and Blu-Ray. It was directed by Creator/BobcatGoldthwait, who also directed ''ShakesTheClown'' ''Film/ShakesTheClown'' (in which Robin has an uncredited cameo) and ''Film/SleepingDogsLie'', a romantic comedy where a girl reveals she fellated a dog in college and her relationships start to fall apart ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Dogs_Lie_%282006_film%29 We don't make these things up, folks]]).