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* MyBelovedSmother: [[spoiler:Mary's mother pushes her into committing evil acts, before she realizes that her mother is just as pushy as Norman's was.]]
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* {{Foil}}: Norman and Mary are both dominated by MyBelovedSmother, both of whom bordered on insanity.
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* MirrorCharacter:
** Norman and Mary are both [[BrokenBird emotionally broken]] loners who have few friends and are used as tools by both their abusive mothers.
** After she TookALevelInJerkass, Lila becomes disturbingly similar to [[spoiler: Norma Bates. Both are selfish, judgmental EvilOldFolks who frequently abuse their children without any concern for anyone else who crosses their path.]]
** Norman and Mary are both [[BrokenBird emotionally broken]] loners who have few friends and are used as tools by both their abusive mothers.
** After she TookALevelInJerkass, Lila becomes disturbingly similar to [[spoiler: Norma Bates. Both are selfish, judgmental EvilOldFolks who frequently abuse their children without any concern for anyone else who crosses their path.]]
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** Norman and Mary are both [[BrokenBird emotionally broken]] loners who have few friends and are used as tools by both their abusive mothers.
** After she TookALevelInJerkass, Lila becomes disturbingly similar to [[spoiler: Norma Bates. Both are selfish, judgmental EvilOldFolks who frequently abuse their children without any concern for anyone else who crosses their path.]]
** Norman and Mary are both [[BrokenBird emotionally broken]] loners who have few friends and are used as tools by both their abusive mothers.
** After she TookALevelInJerkass, Lila becomes disturbingly similar to [[spoiler: Norma Bates. Both are selfish, judgmental EvilOldFolks who frequently abuse their children without any concern for anyone else who crosses their path.]]
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* {{Bookends}}: [[spoiler: Lila is murdered by "Mother" in the same basement where she discovered her corpse.]]
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Sheriff hunt gives a brief one to Mary.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Norman may have paid his debt to the society, but Lila's sister remains dead, so she has every right to be bitter and hostile to him.
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** Mr. Toomey rightfully points out that while he may have let certain illegal things slide with his customers, at least he wasn’t murdering them like Norman was.
** Norman may have paid his debt to the society, but Lila's sister remains dead, so she has every right to be bitter and hostile to him.
** Mr. Toomey rightfully points out that while he may have let certain illegal things slide with his customers, at least he wasn’t murdering them like Norman was.
** Norman may have paid his debt to the society, but Lila's sister remains dead, so she has every right to be bitter and hostile to him.
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* CruelTwistEnding: [[spoiler: Mary ends up killed, Lila ends up dying a FallenHero, Mrs. Spool fails to win over Norman's trust, and Norman returns to his villainous ways after killing his would-be mother.]]
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* CruelTwistEnding: [[spoiler: Mary ends up killed, Lila ends up dying a FallenHero, FallenHeroine, Mrs. Spool fails to win over Norman's trust, and Norman returns to his villainous ways after killing his would-be mother.]]
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* {{Slimeball}}: The sleaze bag Warren Toomey.
* TooDumbToLive: A teenage couple actually breaks into the basement of a well-known SerialKiller so they could have sex. Even worse is that the boy ''stands and watches'' as the knife-wielding killer approaches the door, only trying to escape when it's far too late.
* TooDumbToLive: A teenage couple actually breaks into the basement of a well-known SerialKiller so they could have sex. Even worse is that the boy ''stands and watches'' as the knife-wielding killer approaches the door, only trying to escape when it's far too late.
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* {{Slimeball}}: The sleaze bag Warren Toomey.
Toomey, who sells drugs to kids, runs a prostitution ring, and sexually harasses Mary.
*TooDumbToLive: TooDumbToLive:
** A teenage couple actually breaks into the basement of a well-known SerialKiller so they could have sex. Even worse is that the boy ''stands and watches'' as the knife-wielding killer approaches the door, only trying to escape when it's far toolate.late.
** Toomey thinks it's a good idea to harass and aggravate Norman, in spite of knowing full well that he's a former SerialKiller. After making Norman reach his RageBreakingPoint, he flat-out dares him to kill him. [[spoiler:He winds up dead, though only because Mrs. Spool, who's the actual killer this time around, took offense to this.]]
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** Toomey thinks it's a good idea to harass and aggravate Norman, in spite of knowing full well that he's a former SerialKiller. After making Norman reach his RageBreakingPoint, he flat-out dares him to kill him. [[spoiler:He winds up dead, though only because Mrs. Spool, who's the actual killer this time around, took offense to this.]]
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** Although, all things considered, it's hard not to sympathize with her. Her sister's murderer walks free, while his victims remain dead, and their loved ones with a burden they'll have to bear for the rest of their days.
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** Although, all things considered, it's hard not to sympathize with her. Her sister's murderer walks free, while his victims remain dead, and their loved ones with a burden they'll have to bear for the rest of their days.
days, though plan is still completely idiotic.
** The sheriff calls out [[spoiler:Mary for helping gaslight Norman and demands she leave town]].
** The sheriff calls out [[spoiler:Mary for helping gaslight Norman and demands she leave town]].
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''Psycho II'' (1983) is the first sequel to ''Film/{{Psycho}},'' directed by Richard Franklin and written by Tom Holland (no, not [[Creator/TomHolland that one]]). Creator/AnthonyPerkins and Creator/VeraMiles reprise their roles as Norman Bates and Lila Loomis, respectively; also in the cast are Meg Tilly, Creator/MegTilly, Creator/RobertLoggia, and Creator/DennisFranz. The score was composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
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* KarmaHoudini: [[spoiler:Norman gets away with murdering Mrs. Spool, not that she was so innocent herself.]]
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* KarmaHoudini: [[spoiler:Norman gets away with murdering Mrs. Spool, not that she was so innocent herself.]]]] In-universe, in regards to Norman being released, Lila being a total unrelenting InspectorJavert thinks he's this, hence why she went full unscrupulous KnightTemplar VigilanteWoman later in the movie.
-->'''[[JerkassHasAPoint Lila]]:''' Why bother? It's all too obvious. [[PoliceAreUseless Our courts]] [[VillainWithGoodPublicity are protecting criminals]] [[SkewedPriorities not their victims]].
-->'''[[JerkassHasAPoint Lila]]:''' Why bother? It's all too obvious. [[PoliceAreUseless Our courts]] [[VillainWithGoodPublicity are protecting criminals]] [[SkewedPriorities not their victims]].
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''Psycho II'' (1983) is the first sequel to ''Film/{{Psycho}},'' directed by Richard Franklin and written by Tom Holland (no, not [[Creator/TomHolland that one]]). Creator/AnthonyPerkins and Creator/VeraMiles reprise their roles as Norman Bates and Lila Loomis, respectively; also in the cast are Creator/MegTilly, Meg Tilly, Creator/RobertLoggia, and Creator/DennisFranz. The score was composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
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''Psycho II'' (1983) is the first sequel to ''Film/{{Psycho}},'' directed by Richard Franklin and written by Tom Holland (no, not [[Creator/TomHolland that one]]). Creator/AnthonyPerkins and Creator/VeraMiles reprise their roles as Norman Bates and Lila Loomis, respectively; also in the cast are Meg Tilly, Robert Loggia, Creator/MegTilly, Creator/RobertLoggia, and Creator/DennisFranz. The score was composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
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* TookALevelInKindness: Norman went from an AffablyEvil SerialKiller into an {{adorkable}} SociallyAwkwardHero trying to live a normal life and make new friends.
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** Warren Toomey. He's clearly a slimeball from the get-go, but he has no problem with Norman and is even somewhat cordial with him until he is fired and put in his place. Then he becomes an antagonistic asshole towards that goes out of his way to harass Norman.
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** Warren Toomey. He's clearly a slimeball from the get-go, but he has no problem with Norman and is even somewhat cordial with him due to initially thinking Norman would become his motel business partner and hoped to get his approval of his monetarily successful, but shady business methods until he is fired and put in his place. Then he becomes an antagonistic asshole towards that goes out of his way to harass Norman.Norman in retaliation for firing him.
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After more than two decades of incarceration, Norman is pronounced cured and released from the mental institution. He attempts to rebuild his life, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed.
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After more than two decades of incarceration, confinement, Norman is pronounced cured and released from the mental institution. He attempts to rebuild his life, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed.
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This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that, among other things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing -- you can see why.
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This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given (Given that, among other things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing -- you can see why.
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''Psycho II'' (1983) is the first sequel to ''Film/{{Psycho}},'' directed by Richard Franklin and written by Tom Holland (no, not [[Creator/TomHolland that one]]) and directed by Richard Franklin.one]]). Creator/AnthonyPerkins and Creator/VeraMiles reprise their roles as Norman Bates and Lila Loomis respectively; also in the cast are Meg Tilly, Robert Loggia, and Creator/DennisFranz. The score was composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
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After decades of incarceration, Norman is released from a mental institution. He is cured, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed. Score composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith. This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that, among other things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing -- you can see why.
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''Psycho II'' (1983) is the first sequel to ''Film/{{Psycho}},'' written by Tom Holland (no, not [[Creator/TomHolland that one]]) and directed by Richard Franklin. Creator/AnthonyPerkins and Creator/VeraMiles reprise their roles as Norman Bates and Lila Loomis respectively; also in the cast are Meg Tilly, Robert Loggia, and Creator/DennisFranz.
Creator/DennisFranz. The score was composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
After decades of incarceration, Norman is released from a mental institution. He is cured, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed. Score composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith.
This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that, among other things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing -- you can see why.
After decades of incarceration, Norman is released from a mental institution. He is cured, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed.
This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that, among other things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing -- you can see why.
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Norman is released from a mental institution after decades of incarceration. He is cured, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed. Score composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith. This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that among other things it has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] - not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing - you can see why.
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Bates and Lila Loomis respectively; also in the cast are Meg Tilly, Robert Loggia, and Creator/DennisFranz.
After decades of incarceration, Norman is released from a mentalinstitution after decades of incarceration.institution. He is cured, but relatives of his victims conspire to drive him insane again, hoping to have him re-committed. Score composed by Music/JerryGoldsmith. This is ''not'' based on Creator/RobertBloch's 1982 novel of the same name, which has a completely different plot which Creator/{{Universal}} flatly refused to film. Given that that, among other things it things, said novel has a scene where many of the male movie stars of the day are portrayed as gay[[note]]It's actually shown to be a group of CampGay celebrity impersonators-- Bloch had to have one of his little jokes[[/note]] - -- not to mention the whole "Norman vanishes at an early stage before his fate is revealed towards the end of the book, and oh yeah he was killed" thing - -- you can see why.
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** Lila Loomis went from the noble hero she was in the first film into an amoral bitch who spends her time criticizing Norman and basically trying to disturb a man who has already paid his debt tosociety.society.
** Warren Toomey. He's clearly a slimeball from the get-go, but he has no problem with Norman and is even somewhat cordial with him until he is fired and put in his place. Then he becomes an antagonistic asshole towards that goes out of his way to harass Norman.
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** Warren Toomey. He's clearly a slimeball from the get-go, but he has no problem with Norman and is even somewhat cordial with him until he is fired and put in his place. Then he becomes an antagonistic asshole towards that goes out of his way to harass Norman.
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* ActorAllusion: Creator/DennisFranz's casting can be this to his collaborations with Creator/BrianDePalma, who is known for his early works paying homage to Creator/AlfredHitchcock (the director of the original 1960 film), one of which being ''Film/DressedToKill'' which drew comparisons with ''Film/{{Psycho}}''.
