History DethroningMoment / GravityFalls

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** SouvenirBookworm - I agree. It comes off as a StrawmanFallacy, to be honest--the use of the unicorn seemed like a dig at some viewers' legitimate criticisms of aspects of Mabel's character, deliberately twisting, invalidating, and them throwing back into fans' faces. "She doesn't need to self-reflect on her actions, and anyone who judges her for them is worse than her" seemed to me like a very juvenile message, especially when the majority of Mabel's critics aren't saying she isn't good-hearted, they simply question why Mabel is rarely called out for her lack of self-awareness of the consequences her frequently selfish actions have for others, and suffers from AesopAmnesia when she does. This lack of accountability for her own mistakes (with rare exception) is especially jarring considering her brother is the series' NoRespectGuy who gets his butt handed to him by every mistake or selfish decision, no matter how small. Despite Alex Hirsch's contact with the fandom, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding for the persistent problems with the writing for Mabel's character. Honestly, I'm starting to think that Alex just feels more comfortable addressing the flaws of the character based off himself than the character based off his sister.

** PhionixPowers: I left a review here when I was younger and more opinionated, but this episode still rubs me the wrong way. The tone was DarkerAndEdgier than anything the show had gone into before, with [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy very little to offset it]] (Wendy doesn't comfort Mabel with the positives of high school), culminating in the flat-out terrifying return of Bill. The final shot isn't anything that [[RayOfHopeEnding gives hope for the safety of the town]]. It's literally a piece of paper on the ground and the sound of screaming. And remember, this was on Disney XD, meaning, even if they shouldn't have been, there were [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids probably young children watching]]. I get that we are officially past the AnimationAgeGhetto, but we got there by [[PeripheralDemographic assessing difficult themes in ways everyone could understand]], not by [[NightmareFuel causing panic attacks to some in their early 20s.]] I still haven't watched many cartoons, let alone this one, since.

''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' may be one of the greatest cartoons TheNewTens has ever produced, but considering how Disney has been known to release the burning anger inside all of its fanbase every now and then, even the eponymous town can sometimes offer us [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck a few mysteries that are better left unresolved]].

* CapriciousSalmon: Before you get up in arms, I think "A Tale of Two Stans" is a great episode, and I love the bit where Ford tries to see if Stan is possessed by Bill in the flashback. The DMOS for me has to be at the end where Ford tells Stan that once the summer ends, he's kicking him out of the house and taking his name back. I loved that addition, but in the grand scheme of things, it felt like a {{BiggedLippedAlligatorMoment}}. I hate how it never comes up again because it honestly could've given Dipper and Mabel more of a divide or given Dipper some tension with Bill. But the kids never learn of it, Ford never mentions it to Dipper, and they never make the point if Ford was really serious or he just said it out of resentment. A problem I have with Season 2B is it felt like an entire season crammed into 13 less episodes, and this was the biggest case of it.

''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' may be one of the greatest cartoons TheNewTens has ever produced, but considering how Disney can release the burning anger inside all of its fanbase every now and then, even the eponymous town can sometimes offer us [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck a few mysteries that are better left unresolved]].

''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' may be one of the greatest cartoons TheNewTens has ever produced, but considering how Disney can release the burning anger inside all of its fanbase every now and then, even the eponymous town can sometimes offer us a few mysteries that are better left unresolved.

** PhionixPowers: I left a review here when I was younger and more opinionated, but this episode still rubs me the wrong way. The tone was DarkerAndEdgier than anything the show had gone into before, with [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy very little to offset it]] (Wendy doesn't comfort Mabel with the positives of high school), culminating in the flat-out terrifying return of Bill. The final shot isn't anything that [[RayOfHopeEnding gives hope for the safety of the town]]. It's literally a piece of paper on the ground and the sound of screaming. And remember, this was on Disney XD, meaning, even if they shouldn't have been, there were [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids probably young children watching]]. I get that we are officially past the AnimationAgeGhetto, but we got there by [[PeripheralDemographic assessing difficult themes in ways everyone could understand]], not by [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel causing panic attacks to some in their early 20s.]] I still haven't watched many cartoons, let alone this one, since.

** PhionixPowers: I left a review here when I was younger and more opinionated, but this episode still rubs me the wrong way. The tone was [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy darker and bleaker]] than anything the show had gone into before, with very little to offset it (Wendy doesn't comfort Mabel with the positives of high school), culminating in the flat-out terrifying return of Bill. The final shot isn't anything that [[RayOfHopeEnding gives hope for the safety of the town]]. It's literally a piece of paper on the ground and the sound of screaming. And remember, this was on Disney XD, meaning, even if they shouldn't have been, there were probably very young children watching. I get that we are officially past the AnimationAgeGhetto, but we got there by [[PeripheralDemographic assessing difficult themes in ways everyone could understand]], not by [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel causing panic attacks to some in their early 20s.]] I still haven't watched many cartoons, let alone this one, since.

* PhionixPowers: I left a review here when I was younger and more opinionated, but this episode still rubs me the wrong way. The tone was [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy darker and bleaker]] than anything the show had gone into before, with very little to offset it (Wendy doesn't comfort Mabel with the positives of high school), culminating in the flat-out terrifying return of Bill. The final shot isn't anything that [[RayOfHopeEnding gives hope for the safety of the town]]. It's literally a piece of paper on the ground and the sound of screaming. And remember, this was on Disney XD, meaning, even if they shouldn't have been, there were probably very young children watching. I get that we are officially past the AnimationAgeGhetto, but we got there by [[PeripheralDemographic assessing difficult themes in ways everyone could understand]], not by [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel causing panic attacks to some in their early 20s.]] I still haven't watched many cartoons, let alone this one, since.

* {{Tuol}}: From "Abaconings" in ''Little Gift Shop of Horror.'' In the second story of the episode, Dipper tries to increase his brain power using some typical weirdness found in the woods, but Waddles ends up using it instead, becoming a super genius and gaining the ability to talk using a machine he made. Dipper is really happy about this, because despite not being the smart one anymore, he's found someone that enjoys nerdy things like he does. Essentially, he now finally has a friend that can speak and understand him on an intellectual level. But Mabel becomes upset by this. Mabel considered Waddles--dumb pig Waddles--to be her pet, which he was, but now he's smart and doesn't have time to play and do "dumb things" with her anymore, because he's off figuring out ways to solve world hunger, cure cancer, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking answer why dudes have nipples.]] So far, so good--change is hard to deal with, people change, and children need to learn this, making this an interesting and investing plot. But at the conclusion of the story, Mabel begs Waddles to use a machine he made to return him to his barely-sentient pig mind because she's lonely, which he does because apparently Mabel has proved to him that it was better when he was a dumb pig--because what's the point of being smart if he can't make his best friend happy? At first I thought this was a SpoofAesop it was so bad, but the episode treats this like a good thing, instead of pointing out that 1). Mabel's at fault, not Waddles, if she can't deal with her friends changing, because Waddles is happy being smart and it's her duty as his friend to support him. 2) Mabel completely ignores the fact that Waddles has become Dipper's close friend in a very short time (which is extremely telling) because's she's feeling lonely and she wants to have her pet back. Which makes the next point even more jarring, because 3). Mabel easily makes friends who like and understand her, and Dipper doesn't, and yet she takes away the one friend he seemed to connect to intellectually without fear of rejection because [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop she'd rather Waddles be an unintelligent pig than a complex stranger she'd have to re-evaluate her relationship with.]] Sure, Dipper has Soos and Wendy, but we've seen that neither really "get" him on an intellectual level like Waddles, so taking away Waddles must have hurt, but the story doesn't even care about that. And while this was technically all a story told by Grunkle Stan (though the stories have hints that they might have been real), this kind of faultlessness treatment is given to Mabel a lot, even in canon episodes. In hindsight, the story (since it was told by Grunkle Stan) may be foreshadowing conflicts later in the season that may well actually deal with the problems listed above, but for now "Abaconings" is still insanely cringe-worthy.

** Cheedo: I have to agree here. Not only that, but as someone else mentioned, Mabel makes friends or at least finds people who understand her a heck of a lot easier than Dipper has. I get she and he are close, but for someone as popular as she tends to be, does she truly NEED one person at home with her so much? I would be more sympathetic if she were the kind of loner who has a lot of trouble speaking up and branching out to people but she's the exact opposite of that. On top of that, siblings aren't obliged to be together forever. There's an obvious parallel between the twins and the Grunkles, and while the show doesn't whitewash Stan for feeling resentful towards Ford's wanting to leave for college, it definitely portrays Mabel as more in the right here.

* {{Tuol}}: From "Abaconings" in ''Little Gift Shop of Horror.'' In the second story of the episode, Dipper tries to increase his brain power using some typical weirdness found in the woods, but Waddles ends up using it instead, becoming a super genius and gaining the ability to talk using a machine he made. Dipper is really happy about this, because despite not being the smart one anymore, he's found someone that enjoys nerdy things like he does. Essentially, he now finally has a friend that can speak and understand him on an intellectual level. But Mabel becomes upset by this. Mabel considered Waddles--dumb pig Waddles--to be her pet, which he was, but now he's smart and doesn't have time to play and do "dumb things" with her anymore, because he's off figuring out ways to solve world hunger, cure cancer, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking answer why dudes have nipples.]] So far, so good--change is hard to deal with, people change, and children need to learn this, making this an interesting and investing plot. But at the conclusion of the story, Mabel begs Waddles to use a machine he made to return him to his barely-sentient pig mind because she's lonely, which he does because apparently Mabel has proved to him that it was better when he was a dumb pig--because what's the point of being smart if he can't make his best friend happy? At first I thought this was a SpoofAesop it was so bad, but the episode treats this like a good thing, instead of pointing out that 1). Mabel's at fault, not Waddles, if she can't deal with her friends changing, because Waddles is happy being smart and it's her duty as his friend to support him. 2) Mabel completely ignores the fact that Waddles has become Dipper's close friend in a very short time (which is extremely telling) because's she's feeling lonely and she wants to have her pet back. Which makes the next point even more jarring, because 3). Mabel easily makes friends who like and understand her, and Dipper doesn't, and yet she takes away the one friend he seemed to connect to intellectually without fear of rejection because [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop she'd rather Waddles be an unintelligent pig than a complex stranger she'd have to re-evaluate her relationship with.]] Sure, Dipper has Soos and Wendy, but we've seen that neither really "get" him on an intellectual level like Waddles, so taking away Waddles must have hurt, but the story doesn't even care about that. And while this was technically all a story told by Grunkle Stan (though the stories have hints that they might have been real), this kind of faultlessness treatment is given to Mabel a ''lot'', even in canon episodes. In hindsight, the story (since it was told by Grunkle Stan) may be foreshadowing conflicts later in the season that may well actually deal with the problems listed above, but for now "Abaconings" is still insanely cringe-worthy.

** Anewman: Agreed. It actually would have been better ''and'' funnier to just have dead silence after the brother reveal and then Soos fainting, no dialogue at all.

** TheSnowSquirrel: What ''really'' gets me at the beginning of this episode is that Dipper comes up to the gang in a panic, because he's just been bitten by a poisonous snake and needs to get to a doctor immediately. What do Wendy, Soos, Stan and Mabel do? Laugh because of his voice. That's right. Dipper's friends and ''even his own family'' couldn't care less about the poison slowly taking over the poor kid's blood stream, they just continue teasing him. ButtMonkey or not, the characters DO NOT need to be this level of JerkAss to Dipper!

* No RealLife examples, including ExecutiveMeddling. [[InternetBackdraft It only invites a flame war.]]

* No RealLife examples, including ExecutiveMeddling. It only invites a flame war.

* No RealLife examples, including ExecutiveMeddling. [[InternetBackdraft It only invites a flame war.]]

For a show that, like ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', is beloved by many and missed by the majority, the crazy adventures of two kids that try to solve the true mysteries of a mysterious town has become one of the greatest cartoons TheNewTens has ever produced. Unfortunately, a cartoon show having a page like this is pretty surprising, really. But considering how Disney can release the burning anger inside all of its fanbase every now and then, even a show like ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' can sometimes offer us a few failures that are better left unresolved.

** @/Hylian-Highwind: People have talked about some of the unfortunate implications with the Love Potion being what sets up Robbie and Tambry, but I come with what I think is an underspoken issue with this episode and a microcosm of what people dislike about Mabel. Mabel's goal in the episode is to fix Robbie's miserable loneliness, not necessarily wrong in and of itself, but she immediately jumps to trying to pair him up again with someone. First major issue here is that Robbie's problem is clearly his inability to get over his break up with Wendy, which means if the romance doesn't work out he's just gonna spiral into the same place he was before. What Mabel should be doing is trying to help him get over the break up, since not only would this cheer him up long term but doesn't entail messing up the group dynamic like Dipper was afraid of. Robbie even thanks her for helping him "move on" when he hasn't, he's just replaced one date life for another despite the show's claim. It just feels like Mabel is more concerned with getting a sad to happy Fairy Tale story than actually helping Robbie the way he actually needs. Second is that, quite frankly, Mabel is terrible at romance and reading people. Previous episodes make a point that she doesn't think most of her romantic endeavors through for herself and in several cases was pretty bad at reading people, but more than that, this "match making" trait of hers was fabricated for this episode. The only two pairings she can reference are a joke with Waddles and Soos/Melody, obviously a reference to "Soos and the Real Girl" (one of my favorite episodes so some admitted bias in the reference). The latter pairing though wasn't remotely Mabel's work: her entire role in that episode was trying to help Soos act more sociable and leading to gags in his attempted flirting, while he hits it off with Melody just being himself to the point of barely realizing he'd actually set up a date. At best this couple's example doesn't gel with what Mabel needs for Robbie, and at worst is taking credit for a pairing she really had no effective role in setting up, which would be another instance of the show talking up Mabel beyond what her onscreen accomplishments (or lack thereof in this case) support. There's only so many episodes I can see a conflict instigated by Mabel's "innocent" nature before it sours me on all of them, and this is at its worst for me because it acknowledges that Mabel is in the wrong, but still makes her right by the end, and makes it seem like her problem is the method with the love potion as opposed to her idea/motivation being in the wrong place to begin with.

*** @/GelitanOverlord: My main problem with this episode is the twisted moral with Thompson. You see, the ending has Wendy admitting that Thompson and his abuse and general neglect from his friends is the reason the group is even together! now the reason this annoys me is that the moral is a less series version of the one from the Family Guy episode, "Seahorse Seashell Party", in which Meg, the main butt monkey of the show, tells of most of the family, and when they go upstairs to argue, Meg realizes that the reason why the family is even intact, is because of her constant abuse. so the moral seems to be that if you are in an abusive relationship or friendship, stay in it for the benefit of the abusers. WHAT!?

* No ALLCAPS, no [[AC:asscaps]], no '''bold''', and no ''italics'' unless it's the title of a work. We are not yelling the [=DMoSs=] out loud.

* Mudapa: It seems in the show that Dipper always get punished for his shortcomings. Example? The first story, "Voice Over" has characters blant make fun of Dipper's voice cracks. [[SarcasmMode Because, no one goes through that before.]] Even worse, is that they make a song out of it. I would expect this from [[GrumpyOldMan Stan]] or [[CheerfulChild Mabel]] but, [[NiceGuy Soos]] and [[SatelliteLoveInterest Wendy]]?! His Friends?! I love this show, but, it's just too mean at times.

* Tropers/{{MelancholyUtopia}}: There’s just one major DMOS for this troper in “Bottomless Pit”. The majority of the episode was really funny and creative but Mabel’s story was so stupid and offensive on every possible level. I don’t even know what the writers were thinking when they came up with the moral in that short. Sure, we all have different morals regarding lying, but the way they displayed the message made it look like that being honest is all about blurting out all of your opinions to every ear out there and not keeping them to yourself. On top of that, Mabel lying so Stan wouldn’t get arrested for something [[KarmaHoudini he truly deserved]] was apparently a good thing. I mean, what the hell? Alex Hirsch, I won't sympathize with a character who commits vandalism on a regular basis, and I certainly won't be happy for him when he escapes any punishment; it's enough of it happening here in the real world, thanks. Yeah, [[spoiler: he was kicked out of his home at 18 and had to resort to cheap ways to make money]], but that doesn't make it anymore okay! A crime is a crime, whether a good or bad person committed it! What got my blood boil was Dipper saying: "It was for everyone's best." Define 'everyone', Dipper? Do you mean everyone or just you? And how is it best? You're regularly letting your great uncle commit crime, and I can assure you it's not "best" for any victim of such antics or society in general when people like him exist! Don't hide him up just because you're family! I swear, I've never wanted to punch a cartoon character so hard in the face since [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Brian]]. Ever since then, I've disliked Dipper (and also Mabel at the end of the series), stopped liking the show at all due to their mostly crappy morals, unethical characters and the annoying hype it's getting. I'm one of the few who wasn't sad when it ended.
** Mudapa: It seems in the show that Dipper always get punished for his shortcomings. Example? The first story, "Voice Over" has characters blant make fun of Dipper's voice cracks. [[SarcasmMode Because, no one goes through that before.]] Even worse, is that they make a song out of it. I would expect this from [[GrumpyOldMan Stan]] or [[CheerfulChild Mabel]] but, [[NiceGuy Soos]] and [[SatelliteLoveInterest Wendy]]?! His Friends?! I love this show, but, it's just too mean at times.

For a show that, like ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', is beloved by many and missed by the majority, the crazy adventures of two kids that try to solve the true mysteries of a mysterious town has become one of the greatest cartoons TheNewTens has ever produced. Unfortunately, even a cartoon can have a few moments that anger all of us every now and then, and staying true to the fact, ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' can sometimes offer us a few failures that are better left unresolved.

‘’’Be warned’’’: Just like every subpage of this show, this subpage has unmarked spoilers. So beware.

For a show that, like ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', is beloved by many and missed by the majority, the crazy adventures of two kids that try to solve the true mysteries of a mysterious town has become one of TheNewTens. Unfortunately, even a cartoon can have a few moments that anger all of us every now and then, and staying true to the fact, ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has some moments that are better left unresolved.