History Determinator / VideoGames

29th May '16 11:54:05 PM Spencerdoken
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** The Dunmer of Morrowind, and particularly those of House Redoran and House Indoril, are known for this attitude. When the Tribunal made peace with the Empire, many Indoril nobles killed themselves rather than suffer the indignity, and House Redoran managed to hold out north of Mournhold against the Hist-powered Argonian army of the An-Xileel even after their living gods died/vanished and a falling moon destroyed half their province. Even simply surviving in Morrowind probably qualifies them.
28th May '16 3:26:02 AM DannWoolf
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** [[HeroAntagonist Undyne]], leader of the royal guard, staunchly refuses to die if you kill her. [[spoiler:She still dies... [[CameBackStrong unless you're doing a genocide run]]]] In fact, she's the only monster you cannot spare, because she's so determined to kill you that she'll fight to the death. [[spoiler:To let her live, you have to run instead.]] Notably, [[spoiler: Undyne is the ''only'' Monster that's able to produce her own determination through sheer force of will. Its how she becomes "Undyne the Undying", that said she'll eventually start melting just like any other Monster filled with determination because their bodies aren't physical matter and thus, can't handle it.]]

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** [[HeroAntagonist Undyne]], leader of the royal guard, staunchly refuses to die if you kill her. [[spoiler:She still dies... [[CameBackStrong unless you're doing a genocide run]]]] In fact, she's the only monster you cannot spare, because she's so determined to kill you that she'll fight to the death. [[spoiler:To let her live, you have to run instead.]] Notably, [[spoiler: Undyne is the ''only'' Monster that's able to produce her own determination through sheer force of will. Its It's how she becomes "Undyne the Undying", that said she'll eventually start melting just like any other Monster filled with determination because their bodies aren't physical matter and thus, can't handle it.]]



* In VideoGame/GhostTrick, [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl Sissel]] and [[spoiler:Missile both qualify. The latter especially, as his alternate timeline self decides to wait 10 years in order to [[TheChessmaster set the plot into motion]] and save his beloved Kamila and Lynne.]]

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* In VideoGame/GhostTrick, ''VideoGame/GhostTrick'', [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl Sissel]] and [[spoiler:Missile both qualify. The latter especially, as his alternate timeline self decides to wait 10 years in order to [[TheChessmaster set the plot into motion]] and save his beloved Kamila and Lynne.]]
23rd May '16 6:38:41 AM sorako
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* ''VisualNovel/LittleBusters'' has Kyousuke. [[spoiler:He reset the world countless times searching for the one way to make Riki and Rin strong enough to survive without him, and even when one of his plans turned out disastrously and he sunk into guilt and despair, he still never gave up. On top of that, every night while he slept he would replay the scene of the crash, crawling on his stomach through darkness in an attempt to reach the oil leak before it catches fire and explodes. When he finally reaches it and realises that when he wakes up he'll be reset back to his starting position? Well, he just needs to change his starting position. How? Well, his starting position is based on when he died, so naturally he has to kill himself. So he does so without hesitation. It works.]] Also, Kyousuke's plan was to turn Riki into one of these. [[spoiler:It also works, and by the end of Refrain, Riki will do ''anything'' necessary to help his friends.]]
27th Apr '16 11:38:04 PM aye_amber
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* [[DeathRow James Earl Cash]] and [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Daniel Lamb]] from [[{{Manhunt}} Manhunt and Manhunt 2]] respectively. Not even being faced against armed gangs of [[{{Squick}} sexual deviants]], [[ANaziByAnyOtherName racists]], [[AxCrazy psychopaths]], [[ProfessionalKiller mercenaries]], and {{Corrupt Cop}}s will stop them from reaching their respective goal.

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* [[DeathRow James Earl Cash]] and [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Daniel Lamb]] from [[{{Manhunt}} Manhunt VideoGame/{{Manhunt}} 1 and Manhunt 2]] 2 respectively. Not even being faced against armed gangs of [[{{Squick}} sexual deviants]], [[ANaziByAnyOtherName racists]], [[AxCrazy psychopaths]], [[ProfessionalKiller mercenaries]], and {{Corrupt Cop}}s will stop them from reaching their respective goal.
19th Apr '16 6:46:14 PM Andygal
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' is a massive {{Deconstruction}} and examination of the concept of determination, among other things. The save points throughout the game are points where the protagonist finds something that fills them with determination. [[spoiler: This determination allows the player to come back from death over and over again using said save points, and eventually it reaches the point where if they're killed during the TrueFinalBoss fight, they just get right back up again and continue from where they left off. Of course, the protagonist isn't the only one with determination. Flowey and the First Child are also massive determinators with the ability to save, and they, combined with the player on a Genocide run, show that someone with such raw determination can be a very, ''very'' terrifying thing if there's no compassion or love behind it or if said determination is put to the wrong goals.]]
** Exemplified in the gameplay during the final boss of the Pacifist Run. [[spoiler: You can't be defeated, because everytime your heart breaks, he is put back together through sheer will force]]. In the very last move of the battle, he will try to shoot you with a gigantic laser, your HP will go down to 0.0000000000000000001, but it won't reach 0.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' is a massive {{Deconstruction}} and examination of the concept of determination, among other things. The save points throughout the game are points where the protagonist finds something that fills them with determination. [[spoiler: This determination allows the player to come back from death over and over again using said save points, and eventually it reaches the point where if they're killed during the TrueFinalBoss fight, they just get right back up again and continue from where they left off.off (the red heart that represents the player's soul will pull itself back together with the message "It refused", and on the boss's final attack, you will be reduced to a ludicrously small portion of a HP without dying. Of course, the protagonist isn't the only one with determination. Flowey and the First Child are also massive determinators with the ability to save, and they, combined with the player on a Genocide run, show that someone with such raw determination can be a very, ''very'' terrifying thing if there's no compassion or love behind it or if said determination is put to the wrong goals.]]
** Exemplified in the gameplay during the final boss of the Pacifist Run. [[spoiler: You can't be defeated, because everytime your heart breaks, he is put back together through sheer will force]]. In the very last move of the battle, he will try to shoot you with a gigantic laser, your HP will go down to 0.0000000000000000001, but it won't reach 0.
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13th Apr '16 1:10:09 AM thatmadork
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** Naoto Kurogane from the ''Bloodedge'' novels and introduced to the games in ''Central Fiction''. He will never give up, even if the odds are stacked horribly against him. This fact combined with his near limitless HealingFactor makes him nigh-impossible to stop.
4th Apr '16 6:06:36 PM ThraggLootrippa
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* By the end of ''Earth Defense Force 2025'', the EDF is basically defeated. Their HQ has been found and destroyed multiple times, most of the planet is trapped beneath World Eaters, and they've already issued instructions to the civilian populace to begin a guerrilla fight against the Ravagers. The player's squad, which has been fighting through increasingly insurmountable odds as the game progresses, is part of the EDF's final, desperate assault on the 'Brain' controlling the invasion. As the attack fails and the last hope of the planet fades, the squad's status as a group of Determinators is revealed and immediately [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]]:

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* By the end of ''Earth Defense Force 2025'', ''VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce2025'', the EDF is basically defeated. Their HQ has been found and destroyed multiple times, most of the planet is trapped beneath World Eaters, and they've already issued instructions to the civilian populace to begin a guerrilla fight against the Ravagers. The player's squad, which has been fighting through increasingly insurmountable odds as the game progresses, is part of the EDF's final, desperate assault on the 'Brain' controlling the invasion. As the attack fails and the last hope of the planet fades, the squad's status as a group of Determinators is revealed and immediately [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]]:
4th Apr '16 6:04:47 PM ThraggLootrippa
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* [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl Sissel]] and [[spoiler:Missile both qualify. The latter especially, as his alternate timeline self decides to wait 10 years in order to [[TheChessmaster set the plot into motion]] and save his beloved Kamila and Lynne.]]

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* In VideoGame/GhostTrick, [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl Sissel]] and [[spoiler:Missile both qualify. The latter especially, as his alternate timeline self decides to wait 10 years in order to [[TheChessmaster set the plot into motion]] and save his beloved Kamila and Lynne.]]
4th Apr '16 6:01:44 PM ThraggLootrippa
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* The Kid from ''VideoGame/{{Bastion}}''. Even before he found himself thrust into an epic struggle to rebuild the world, he volunteered for two tours of duty on the Rippling Walls, a defensive barrier where life was so rough and dnagerous that ''no one'' in the history of Caelondia had ever volunteered for a second tour. Afterward, he hurls himself into saving the world, despite the fact that he is alone, vastly outnumbered by monsters and beasts and [[spoiler: the heavily-armed remnants of the Ura]], and armed with only scrounged weapons, techniques detailed in old, dusty tomes, and [[BoozeBasedBuff a whole lot of alcohol.]] It culminates at the end of the game, where [[spoiler: the kid finds Zulf, a former friend-turned-instigator of the Ura's attack on the Bastion]], who is [[spoiler: being beaten by his fellow Ura for convincing them to attack the Bastion and losing so many lives fighting the Kid]]. If the Kid chooses to [[spoiler: save Zulf, he picks him up and slings him over his back, abandoning the all-powerful Battering Ram, and walks through the assembled Ura army, taking wave after wave of crossbow bolts and pressing on. Eventually, the Ura are so amazed and impressed by his unwavering resolve that they stop attacking and stand aside...save for one jackass who opens fire on the Kid near the end, and is immediately cut down by his commander]].
* Fujiwara no Mokou from ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}''. She's a [[BadassNormal normal human]] apart from the fact she's A. immortal (via resurrection), B. can control fire, and C. fly. Despite her immortality she is as squishy as any other human and feels the pain of her injuries. She is to date the only character to explicitly die on screen in a game. The only thing that stopped her was dying enough times where the pain was so unbearable she could no longer focus on the task at hand.

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* The Kid from ''VideoGame/{{Bastion}}''. Even before he found himself thrust into an epic struggle to rebuild the world, he volunteered for two tours of duty on the Rippling Walls, a defensive barrier where life was so rough and dnagerous dangerous that ''no one'' in the history of Caelondia had ever volunteered for a second tour. Afterward, he hurls himself into saving the world, despite the fact that he is alone, vastly outnumbered by monsters and beasts and [[spoiler: the heavily-armed remnants of the Ura]], and armed with only scrounged weapons, techniques detailed in old, dusty tomes, and [[BoozeBasedBuff a whole lot of alcohol.]] It culminates at the end of the game, where [[spoiler: the kid finds Zulf, a former friend-turned-instigator of the Ura's attack on the Bastion]], who is [[spoiler: being beaten by his fellow Ura for convincing them to attack the Bastion and losing so many lives fighting the Kid]]. If the Kid chooses to [[spoiler: save Zulf, he picks him up and slings him over his back, abandoning the all-powerful Battering Ram, and walks through the assembled Ura army, taking wave after wave of crossbow bolts and pressing on. Eventually, the Ura are so amazed and impressed by his unwavering resolve that they stop attacking and stand aside...save for one jackass who opens fire on the Kid near the end, and is immediately cut down by his commander]].
* Fujiwara no Mokou from ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}''. She's a [[BadassNormal normal human]] apart from the fact she's A. immortal (via resurrection), B. can control fire, and C. fly. Despite her immortality she is as squishy as any other human and feels the pain of her injuries. She is to date the only character to explicitly die on screen in a game. The only thing that stopped her was dying enough times to where the pain was so unbearable she could no longer focus on the task at hand.



** There's also Mystia Lorelei who enters the frame as a 2nd level mid-boss and then, when she loses that fight, goes straight on to intitiating the end-level fight... [[RealityEnsues Unfortunally]], going straight from one fight to another without resting up in-between really isn't a good idea, and no matter how determined and confident you are that you ''are'' going to win, you don't actually get physically stronger from that resolve... [[DeconstructedTrope Mystia is beaten within an inch of her life for refusing to realize and accept that she never stood a chance to begin with.]]

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** There's also Mystia Lorelei who enters the frame as a 2nd level mid-boss and then, when she loses that fight, goes straight on to intitiating initiating the end-level fight... [[RealityEnsues Unfortunally]], Unfortunately]], going straight from one fight to another without resting up in-between really isn't a good idea, and no matter how determined and confident you are that you ''are'' going to win, you don't actually get physically stronger from that resolve... [[DeconstructedTrope Mystia is beaten within an inch of her life for refusing to realize and accept that she never stood a chance to begin with.]]
24th Feb '16 4:02:23 AM PhoenixReece
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