History Creator / KarlMarx

2nd Oct '17 7:35:24 PM JulianLapostat
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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober, and TheGreatDepression resulted in the rise of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]

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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober, and UsefulNotes/RedOctober. During TheGreatDepression resulted in Europe, social democrat parties in Germany and communists in western Europe actually faced a major setback, and this led to the rise of fiercely anti-communist UsefulNotes/NaziGermany. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or and right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came ''did'' come after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]future, and took what was a one-time fluke for what turned out to be an imprecise model for revolutionary development[[/note]]
2nd Oct '17 7:23:40 PM JulianLapostat
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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]

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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober.UsefulNotes/RedOctober, and TheGreatDepression resulted in the rise of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]
2nd Oct '17 6:44:17 PM friendlyhand
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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober, and TheGreatDepression resulted in the rise of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]

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** He also argued that socialists should LetNoCrisisGoToWaste and suggested that such economic crises was a proper time to mount a revolution or reform, and since these crises are inevitable features of capitalism, there's always an opportunity and potential for change. Fittingly, sales of Marx's works always go up during times of economic downturn.[[note]]Of course in actual history, socialist revolutions came out during times of war, as in the case of UsefulNotes/RedOctober, and TheGreatDepression resulted in the rise of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany.UsefulNotes/RedOctober. It was only in America, that the Depression actually led to socially democrat policies being instituted during the New Deal, and even then it was done to specifically prevent communist or right-wing movements. Marx was optimistically projecting his reading of UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, which came after an economic crisis, into the future.[[/note]]
30th Aug '17 9:35:41 PM Dedars1
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* HarsherInHindsight:[[invoked]] Marx did always support the existence of a strong state, and the ''manifesto'' declares that this state has to take charge of ''everything'' from social services to banks. Some Russians with bright ideas took this to heart during the early days of the twentieth century. When they developed this thought further, another tyranny was inevitable.
** This viewpoint led to a crass break with the anarchists, who vouched for a no-state solution. Marx however did believe that even in the end point of socialism, where the state would wither away, some form of government would exist to look after roads, electricity, mass transit and other public utilities. Marx felt that this would be merely a technical function and purpose and not really be tied to politics and class interests.

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* HarsherInHindsight:[[invoked]] Marx did always support the existence of a strong state, and the ''manifesto'' declares that this state has to take charge of ''everything'' from social services to banks. Some Russians with bright ideas took this to heart during the early days of the twentieth century. When they developed this thought further, another tyranny was inevitable.
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This viewpoint led to a crass break with the anarchists, who vouched for a no-state solution. Marx however did believe that even in the end point of socialism, where the state would wither away, some form of government would exist to look after roads, electricity, mass transit and other public utilities. Marx felt that this would be merely a technical function and purpose and not really be tied to politics and class interests.
30th Aug '17 9:33:52 PM Dedars1
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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but lived decades before [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.

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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but lived decades before [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.born.
30th Aug '17 9:31:17 PM Dedars1
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* {{Main/Hypocrite}}: Marx, during his decades in London, lived on money Engels gave him. Where did that money come from? It was profit from the factory Engels owned. Yes, the man who many times wrote about how wrong it was to exploit the labor of others survived off of doing just that.
** Of course Marx and Engels would call this an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labor did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the British Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.

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* {{Main/Hypocrite}}: Marx, during his decades in London, lived on money Engels gave him. Where did that money come from? It was profit from the factory Engels owned. Yes, the man who many times wrote about how wrong it was to exploit the labor of others survived off of doing just that.
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'''[[SubvertedTrope Not]]'''. Marx and Engels would call this living at Engels' expense was more of an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], dialectic, an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labor did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the British Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.
23rd Aug '17 8:21:07 AM GrammarNavi
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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but lived decades before [[SovietUnion the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.

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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but lived decades before [[SovietUnion [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.
31st Jul '17 8:34:46 PM DoctorCooper
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* FakeUltimateHero: He saw UsefulNotes/SimonBolivar this way (calling him a false liberator), and detested him. [[https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1858/01/bolivar.htm The biography he wrote about Bolivar was quite unsympathetic]].
20th Jul '17 5:00:10 PM Jhonny
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Not to be confused with Creator/TheMarxBrothers, or the final boss from ''VideoGame/KirbySuperStar''. The trope KarlMarxHatesYourGuts is named after him. Also, yes, he kinda does look a lot like a grumpy version of SantaClaus, naturally inviting facetious comparisons between his prescriptions for allocating resources and Santa's giving of gifts.

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Not to be confused with Creator/TheMarxBrothers, or the final boss from ''VideoGame/KirbySuperStar''.''VideoGame/KirbySuperStar'' ''Also'' not to be confused with Creator/KarlMay, another German Karl M of the 19th century who wrote books sold by the millions. The trope KarlMarxHatesYourGuts is named after him. Also, yes, he kinda does look a lot like a grumpy version of SantaClaus, naturally inviting facetious comparisons between his prescriptions for allocating resources and Santa's giving of gifts.
18th Jun '17 4:14:53 PM JulianLapostat
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* HistoricalDomainCharacter: Surprisingly rare for a man so prominent and influential. Even the film industries of the Communist era never quite made a major {{Biopic}} of their Prophet[[note]]Some major film-makers did have plans. Creator/RobertoRossellini, who made many films about philosophers (Socrates, Descartes) started pre-production before his death, while the Brazilian film-maker Glauber Rocha planned a film with Creator/OrsonWelles as Marx[[/note]]. Some of his depictions are actually recent (around TheNewTens), in ''Webcomics/ExistentialComics'', ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate'' and the 2017 film ''The Young Karl Marx'' by Raoul Peck showing the early friendship between Engels and Marx. Outside of that his most famous Anglophone depiction is probably the Creator/MontyPython German versus Greek philosophers soccer parody (where Marx comes in as a substitute).


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