History Creator / KarlMarx

15th Jun '16 12:55:25 PM Iampureevil
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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but ived decades before [[SovietUnion the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.

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* CommieLand: He wanted these to happen, but ived lived decades before [[SovietUnion the first one]] was born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.
15th Jun '16 7:40:22 AM LordInsane
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* ReligionIsWrong: Or rather, it was just a scheme by the rich and powerful to control the masses. Organized religion was especially guilty of this. After all, he did famously say "Religion is the opium of the masses." Marx himself was an atheist.

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* ReligionIsWrong: Or rather, it was just a scheme by the rich and powerful to control the masses. Organized religion was especially guilty of this. After all, he did famously say This being said, his most famous quote about it heavily downplays it by implying that it is a necessary or inevitable thing in the pre-Communist society: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the masses.people." (note that in the context he was writing this opium was both legal and mostly seen as a kind of painkiller). Marx himself was an atheist.
8th Jun '16 9:28:20 PM zapatismo
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Marx did several other things. He is considered to be one of the founders of modern social sciences, along with Émile Durkheim and Max Weber. Unlike many other philosophers and intellectuals of his time, he insisted that social theories must be examined through a scientific method to see if they world work. Marx is also notable for writing mostly for the poor and disenfranchised, whereas his contemporaries wrote mostly for the rich and for fellow intellectuals. A talented economist, Marx [[{{Irony}} helped the world understand capitalism]] better than anyone since Adam Smith - for example, he was the first guy to develop explanations as to why the previously feudal countries of Europe became industrial economies and capitalist powerhouses. His most important contributions to economics concern studying the labor theory of value. In fact, thanks to the influence of ''Das Kapital'', [[{{Irony}} Marx is the one responsible]] for the free market being known as capitalism. Much of what he wrote about how capitalism works actually stands up to scrutiny close to 200 years later, and some people like to call him the father of economic history. A 2011 survey of American economists named Marx the fifth best economist from before the 20th century. The study of sociology was also highly influenced by Marx's writings, particularly his view of the relationship between social class and the individual. As mentioned above, the study of history was highly influenced by him, Marx being one of the first to advocate studying more than just politics, nobles, and politics and battles between nobles. Basically, like him or not, you ''have'' been influenced by his ideas.

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Marx did several other things. He is considered to be one of the founders of modern social sciences, along with Émile Durkheim and Max Weber. Unlike many other philosophers and intellectuals of his time, he insisted that social theories must be examined through a scientific method to see if they world work. Marx is also notable for writing mostly for the poor and disenfranchised, whereas his contemporaries wrote mostly for the rich and for fellow intellectuals. A talented economist, Marx [[{{Irony}} helped the world understand capitalism]] capitalism better than anyone since Adam Smith - for example, he was the first guy to develop explanations as to why the previously feudal countries of Europe became industrial economies and capitalist powerhouses. His most important contributions to economics concern studying the labor theory of value. In fact, thanks to the influence of ''Das Kapital'', [[{{Irony}} Marx is the one responsible]] for the free market being known as capitalism. Much of what he wrote about how capitalism works actually stands up to scrutiny close to 200 years later, and some people like to call him the father of economic history. A 2011 survey of American economists named Marx the fifth best economist from before the 20th century. The study of sociology was also highly influenced by Marx's writings, particularly his view of the relationship between social class and the individual. As mentioned above, the study of history was highly influenced by him, Marx being one of the first to advocate studying more than just politics, nobles, and politics and battles between nobles. Basically, like him or not, you ''have'' been influenced by his ideas.
11th Apr '16 3:15:51 AM JulianLapostat
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** There were allegations that he exploited his live-in maid, never paid her a penny, and after [[DirtyOldMan impregnating her]] refused to even acknowledge their son Freddy.
10th Apr '16 3:47:35 PM Mackus
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** There were allegations that he exploited his live-in maid, never paid her a penny, and after [[DirtyOldMan impregnating her]] refused to even acknowledge their son Freddy.
5th Apr '16 10:00:22 PM Fireblood
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* BreadAndCircuses: According to Marx, the capitalist economy functions on the most elaborate and complex version of this. He famously defined the ideology of a given society as stemming from the base (capital) and the super-structure (owners of capital) built on top of it, with the ideology ensuring that StatusQuoIsGod. This ideology can include anything and everything from appeals to religion, imagined past glory, military adventurism, racist hostility to immigrants and others stealing your jobs and women and when all else fails, ConspicuousConsumption, all of which to ensure that [[WeAREStrugglingTogether the working class are divided from uniting for their common interests]].

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* BreadAndCircuses: According to Marx, the capitalist economy functions on the most elaborate and complex version of this. He famously defined the the ideology of a given society as stemming from the base (capital) and the super-structure (owners of capital) built on top of it, with the ideology ensuring that StatusQuoIsGod. This ideology can include anything and everything from appeals to religion, imagined past glory, military adventurism, racist hostility to immigrants and others stealing your jobs and women and when all else fails, ConspicuousConsumption, all of which to ensure that [[WeAREStrugglingTogether the working class are divided from uniting for their common interests]].



** Of course Marx and Engels would call this an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labor did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the British Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.

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** Of course Marx and Engels would call this an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labor did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the the British Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.



* YouAreWhatYouHate: Marx loved to use these types of criticisms. Notably, when some people accused the socialists of wanting to turn all women into prostitutes, Marx shot back that it was actually ''them'' who forced women into selling their bodies to make ends meet.

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* YouAreWhatYouHate: Marx loved to use these types of criticisms. Notably, when some people accused the socialists of wanting to turn all women into prostitutes, prostitutes by advocating free love, Marx shot back that it was actually ''them'' who forced women into selling their bodies to make ends meet.
5th Apr '16 9:59:58 PM Fireblood
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* BreadAndCircuses: According to Marx, the capitalist economy functions on the most elaborate and complex version of this. He famously defined ideology of a given society stemming from the base(Capital) and the super-structure(Owners of Capital) built on top of it, with the ideology ensuring that StatusQuoIsGod. This ideology can include anything and everything from appeals to religion, imagined past glory, military adventurism, racist hostility to immigrants and others stealing your jobs and women and when all else fails, ConspicuousConsumption, all of which to ensure that [[WeAREStrugglingTogether the working class are divided from uniting for their common interests]].
* CommieLand: Wanted these to happen. Lived decades before [[SovietUnion the first one]] was born. Probably wouldn't have liked it.
** Indeed, its an irony that Marx spent most of his life analysing capitalist society and how it functions and how a revolution could be possible but he never really defined how a communist society would be like. The one description of this society however is radically different from how communism turned out to be:

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* BreadAndCircuses: According to Marx, the capitalist economy functions on the most elaborate and complex version of this. He famously defined the ideology of a given society as stemming from the base(Capital) base (capital) and the super-structure(Owners super-structure (owners of Capital) capital) built on top of it, with the ideology ensuring that StatusQuoIsGod. This ideology can include anything and everything from appeals to religion, imagined past glory, military adventurism, racist hostility to immigrants and others stealing your jobs and women and when all else fails, ConspicuousConsumption, all of which to ensure that [[WeAREStrugglingTogether the working class are divided from uniting for their common interests]].
* CommieLand: Wanted He wanted these to happen. Lived happen, but ived decades before [[SovietUnion the first one]] was born. Probably born, and probably wouldn't have liked it.
** Indeed, its it's an irony that Marx spent most of his life analysing analyzing capitalist society and how it functions and how a revolution could be possible but he never really defined how a communist society would be like. The one description of this society however is radically different from how communism turned out to be:



** Marx's main idea was that the Communist Revolution would take place in developed nations like England, France and the United States and that he felt that the Communist state required a proper nurturing and development of economic infrastructure and social upheaval before it can be possible. Indeed, Leninism modified and differed with Marxism ''on this very point'' and he had to justify why a poor feudal nation like Russia with huge swathes of the population suffering from illiteracy would set up a Communist utopia. Marx noted that his ideas were popular in Russia towards the end of his life and wondered if revolution could take root there, he was highly cautious and skeptical about it.

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** Marx's main idea was that the Communist Revolution would take place in developed nations like England, France and the United States and that he felt that the Communist state required a proper nurturing and development of economic infrastructure and social upheaval before it can be possible. Indeed, Leninism modified and differed with Marxism ''on this very point'' and he had to justify why a poor feudal nation like Russia with huge swathes of the population suffering from illiteracy would set up a Communist utopia. Marx noted that his ideas were popular in Russia towards the end of his life and wondered if revolution could take root there, but he was highly cautious and skeptical about it.



** Marx also pointed out that capitalism would eventually cause periodic crises even in advanced economies. Most didn't believe that could happen, [[Main/TheGreatDepression until it did]].

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** Marx also pointed out that capitalism would eventually cause periodic crises even in advanced economies. Most didn't believe that could happen, [[Main/TheGreatDepression until it did]]. did]] (although this had already happened-albeit of a smaller size-in his own lifetime).



* FullCircleRevolution: The problem with the use of his ideas, overall, is that all of the countries which fell to Marxist revolutions ended up becoming corrupt tyrannies which placed power in the hands of a few power-hungry leaders who oppressed the majority and violated so many human rights to stay in charge. Just like the very governments the revolutionaries fought in the first place. In the end, they became PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny.

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* FullCircleRevolution: The problem with the use of his ideas, overall, is that all of the countries which fell to Marxist revolutions ended up becoming corrupt tyrannies which placed power in the hands of a few power-hungry leaders who oppressed the majority and violated so many human rights to stay in charge. Just like the very governments the revolutionaries fought in the first place. In the end, they became the embodiment of PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny.



** Marx never really defined how a communist society would actually be like aside from vague phrases. He spent most of his life analysing capitalism and inequality. He did criticize several revolutions in his lifetime such as the 1848 Revolution and even the Paris Commune of 1871, feeling they were both premature and self-destructive, whatever their other virtues.

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** Marx never really defined how a communist society would actually be like aside from vague phrases. He spent most of his life analysing analyzing capitalism and inequality. He did criticize several revolutions in his lifetime such as the 1848 Revolution Revolutions and even the Paris Commune of 1871, feeling they were both premature and self-destructive, whatever their other virtues.



** Of course Marx and Engels would call this an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do so for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labour did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the English Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.

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** Of course Marx and Engels would call this an example of [[InsistentTerminology the dialectic]], an example of the contradictions of capitalist society that create its opposite. Neither Marx nor Engels advocated personal austerity on behalf of a great cause like later communists tried to do so for party discipline and among people at large and failed miserably. Marx borrowing money from Engels is simply because his heavy intellectual labour labor did not have the benefit of modern university grants and he was a serious workaholic, who worked all by himself in the libraries of the English the British Museum scouring for records. Communism is about solidarity, helping out a friend.



* TheManIsStickingItToTheMan: and absolutely unapologetic to it. Marx did all his research in the British Museum, worked as a freelance journalist as the London Correspondent for the New York Daily Tribune, and used his column to criticize capitalism, the American south, English capitalists and most audaciously, offer support for the Indian Mutiny (the only Western writer of his day to stand on the side of the anti-colonialist rebels). In one of his articles he expressed how the System, ''any'' system, ends up digging its own grave:

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* TheManIsStickingItToTheMan: and And absolutely unapologetic to it. Marx did all his research in the British Museum, worked as a freelance journalist as the London Correspondent for the New York Daily Tribune, and used his column to criticize capitalism, the American south, South, English capitalists and most audaciously, offer support for the Indian Mutiny (the only Western writer of his day to stand on the side of the anti-colonialist rebels). In one of his articles he expressed how the System, ''any'' system, ends up digging its own grave:



* MorallyBankruptBanker: Oh my, yes. To him, they were the worst of them all, since they had an even greater opportunity to manipulate the money. His second point in the Communist Manfisto argues for the abolishment of inherited wealth and progressive and graduated income tax.
* TheNeedsOfTheMany: A ''huge'' advocate for this trope, noting that the majority of the people were working poor laborers at that time, he argues that the massive wealth and the goods from the wealthy class (capitalists) should be redistributed among the working class majority. Ironically enough, he's highly critical to [[ForHappiness utilitiarianism]] (at least Bentham's version of it), stating that human nature is too dynamic to be limited to a ''single'' utility and noted that Bentham fails to take into account of the changing character of people. Instead, most of his communist ethical views were closer to Immanuel Kant and deontology.

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* MorallyBankruptBanker: Oh my, yes. To him, they were the worst of them all, since they had an even greater opportunity to manipulate the money. His second point in the Communist Manfisto Manifesto argues for the abolishment abolition of inherited wealth and a heavy progressive and graduated income tax.
* TheNeedsOfTheMany: A ''huge'' advocate for this trope, noting that the majority of the people were working poor laborers at that time, he argues that the massive wealth and the goods from the wealthy class (capitalists) should be redistributed among the working class majority. Ironically enough, he's highly critical to [[ForHappiness utilitiarianism]] utilitarianism]] (at least Bentham's version of it), stating that human nature is too dynamic to be limited to a ''single'' utility and noted that Bentham fails to take into account of the changing character of people. Instead, most of his communist ethical views were closer to Immanuel Kant and deontology.



* PetTheDog: Marx had a sympathetic view of women since he believed they were one of the greatest examples of what happens to the oppressed, since they were forced into the roles of housewives, cheap factory workers, and prostitutes. An early feminist, he called for more equal rights for women, and he believed that socialism and communism would lead to this equality.

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* PetTheDog: Marx had a sympathetic view of women since he believed they were one of the greatest examples of what happens to the oppressed, since as they were forced into the roles of housewives, cheap factory workers, and prostitutes. An early feminist, he called for more equal rights for women, and he believed that socialism and communism would lead to this equality.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: [[invoked]] Though many people today think of him as a dangerously misguided individual, the modern understanding of social science and economics - both liberal and conservative - owes an enormous debt to him and his theories. Similarly, his critiques of capitalism and advocacy of communism can seem less applicable in the modern world (not that he is no longer relevant). However at the time he was writing, the conditions for the working class, especially in England (where he wrote ''Das Capital''), were truly appalling, and much of the ideas and movements that would improve and reform it - and, ironically, blunt so much of communism's power - were still considered seditious. A year before he began his studies at the University of Bonn, England transported several Dorsetshire men to Australia for forming a union. Ultimately, what Marx didn't reckon on was the dynamism of democracy in order to effect change. Remember, Marx was writing during a time when there was no minimum wage, no worker protection, no welfare system, no laws against child labor, not anti-trust or anti-monopoly laws, no laws demanding truthful advertising, no laws banning unsafe products, no laws guaranteeing rights to women and minorities (and, in a lot of cases, for Europeans and men, too), and, for most of the world, no voting rights for most people. We have come a LOOOOOOOOONG way since Marx's time, and he is arguably VindicatedByHistory.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: [[invoked]] Though many people today think of him as a dangerously misguided individual, the modern understanding of social science and economics - both liberal and conservative - owes an enormous debt to him and his theories. Similarly, his critiques of capitalism and advocacy of communism can seem less applicable in the modern world (not that he is no longer relevant). However at the time he was writing, the conditions for the working class, especially in England (where he wrote ''Das Capital''), were truly appalling, and much of the ideas and movements that would improve and reform it - and, ironically, blunt so much of communism's power appeal - were still considered seditious. A year before he began his studies at the University of Bonn, England transported several Dorsetshire men to Australia for forming a union. Ultimately, what Marx didn't reckon on was the dynamism of democracy in order to effect change. Remember, Marx was writing during a time when there was no minimum wage, no worker protection, no welfare system, no laws against child labor, not no anti-trust or anti-monopoly laws, no laws demanding truthful advertising, no laws banning unsafe products, no laws guaranteeing rights to women and minorities (and, in a lot of cases, for Europeans and men, too), and, for most of the world, no voting rights for most people. We have come a LOOOOOOOOONG way since Marx's time, and he is arguably VindicatedByHistory.



* ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption: Initially couldn't see that socialism could possibly be brought about by democratic reforms rather than working-class revolts. To be fair, he lived at a time when most of Europe didn't have universal suffrage. [[AvertedTrope However when he grew a bit older he supported peaceful democratic means of bringing about socialism]], largely because he saw the growing popularity of social democratic parties in democratic societies as proof better working conditions for the poor could be brought about peacefully. The reason he flipped on his position so quickly is mainly because he was never big on violence in the first place, unless (he felt) it was absolutely necessary. Future Communist dictators would proceed to basically ignore this.

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* ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption: Initially he couldn't see that socialism could possibly be brought about by democratic reforms rather than working-class revolts. To be fair, he lived at a time when most of Europe didn't have universal suffrage. [[AvertedTrope However when he grew a bit older he supported peaceful democratic means of bringing about socialism]], largely because he saw the growing popularity of social democratic parties in democratic societies as proof better working conditions for the poor could be brought about peacefully. The reason he flipped on his position so quickly is mainly because he was never big on violence in the first place, unless (he felt) it was absolutely necessary. Future Communist dictators would proceed to basically ignore this.
18th Mar '16 11:55:07 AM TalonsofIceandFire
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One of those followers, UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, spearheaded the first successful Marxist revolution in [[TsaristRussia The Russian Republic]]. However, after Red victory in the Civil War of 1917-21 he had to make large changes to Marxism to persuade the vast bulk of the population (farmers) to stop opposing them and the resulting fusion of Marxist social theory with revolutionary furor became known as "Marxism-Leninism". Marxism effectively split, with Orthodox Marxists criticizing Lenin for not letting industrial capitalism destroy itself and Leninists criticizing Orthodox Marxists with the claim that capitalism was getting stronger, not weaker, and that Marx's theories needed revising. The Orthodox Marxists were largely based in Europe, where they would be effectively crippled and radicalized by the rise of fascism, while Leninism gained a foothold in the colonies of the European Empires (and the unofficial American one), which were not very industrialized but had a pressing need to repel the (capitalist) imperialists from their borders. This gave rise to other self-professed Marxist states, such as [[RedChina the People's Republic of China]], UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, Vietnam, and several others. As you may have noticed, most of these countries have been oppressive tyrannies, which is by far the biggest criticism of Marxist-Leninism. It is heatedly debated whether Marx would have approved of them; some anti-Leninist Marxists claim rural nations without a proletariat can't go through a ''true'' Marxist revolution and come out smelling like (red) roses, and that Marx did write in support of western liberties like freedom of the press and democratic election which were in short supply in these communist states, while opponents of his ideas claim he created a dogmatic worldview in which violent revolution and an ideological "us vs. them" mentality made tyranny inevitable.

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One of those followers, UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, spearheaded the first successful Marxist revolution in [[TsaristRussia The Russian Republic]].Empire]]. However, after Red victory in the Civil War of 1917-21 he had to make large changes to Marxism to persuade the vast bulk of the population (farmers) to stop opposing them and the resulting fusion of Marxist social theory with revolutionary furor became known as "Marxism-Leninism". Marxism effectively split, with Orthodox Marxists criticizing Lenin for not letting industrial capitalism destroy itself and Leninists criticizing Orthodox Marxists with the claim that capitalism was getting stronger, not weaker, and that Marx's theories needed revising. The Orthodox Marxists were largely based in Europe, where they would be effectively crippled and radicalized by the rise of fascism, while Leninism gained a foothold in the colonies of the European Empires (and the unofficial American one), which were not very industrialized but had a pressing need to repel the (capitalist) imperialists from their borders. This gave rise to other self-professed Marxist states, such as [[RedChina the People's Republic of China]], UsefulNotes/NorthKorea, UsefulNotes/{{Cuba}}, Vietnam, and several others. As you may have noticed, most of these countries have been oppressive tyrannies, which is by far the biggest criticism of Marxist-Leninism. It is heatedly debated whether Marx would have approved of them; some anti-Leninist Marxists claim rural nations without a proletariat can't go through a ''true'' Marxist revolution and come out smelling like (red) roses, and that Marx did write in support of western liberties like freedom of the press and democratic election which were in short supply in these communist states, while opponents of his ideas claim he created a dogmatic worldview in which violent revolution and an ideological "us vs. them" mentality made tyranny inevitable.
8th Mar '16 6:02:00 AM JulianLapostat
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* TheManIsStickingItToTheMan: and absolutely unapologetic to it. Marx did all his research in the British Museum, worked as a freelance journalist as the London Correspondent for the New York Daily Tribune, and used his column to criticize capitalism, the American south, English capitalists and most audaciously, offer support for the Indian Mutiny (the only Western writer of his day to stand on the side of the anti-colonialist rebels). In one of his articles he expressed how the System, ''any'' system, ends up digging its own grave:
--> '''Karl Marx''': ''"There is something [[LaserGuidedKarma in human history like retribution]]; and it is a rule of historical retribution that its instrument be forged not by the offended, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard but by the offender himself]]. The first blow dealt [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution the French monarch proceeded from the nobility]], not from the peasants. The Indian revolt does not commence with [[IndenturedServitude the Ryots]], tortured, dishonored and stripped naked by the British, but with [[PrivateMilitaryConractors the Sepoys]], clad, fed, petted, [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters fatted and pampered by them]]."''



* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: He heavily implied, if not outright stated, that this would happen. But to him, this would count as a NecessaryEvil.
* RichIdiotWithNoDayJob: Too many of them, from his point of view.

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* TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized: He heavily implied, if not outright stated, that this would happen. But to him, this would count as a NecessaryEvil.
NecessaryEvil since a world without revolution, of mass poverty, illiteracy, imperialism, UrbanSegregation and oppression of minorities was far less civilized than the worst revolutionary excess.
* RichIdiotWithNoDayJob: Too many of them, from his point of view.
15th Dec '15 10:07:31 AM MAI742
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He actually spent much of his life outside of his homeland. Due to his open, enthusiastic association with all of the most radical people of the day, Marx essentially had no chance of ever becoming a professional academic and Germany eventually exiled him. He moved to Paris in 1843, and was kicked out of France in 1849. From then on, he mostly lived in London. Nevertheless, Marx is still an icon throughout much of Germany. A nationwide poll in 2003 saw that Germans voted him as the third-greatest German of all time, behind only [[UsefulNotes/TheChancellorsOfGermany West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer]] and Protestant Reformation leader Martin Luther. To put this in perspective, Marx ranked above all of the country's [[Music/JohannSebastianBach great]] [[Music/WolfgangAmadeusMozart classical]] [[Music/LudwigVanBeethoven composers]], UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, and UsefulNotes/OttoVonBismarck. In fact, Marx has a far better reputation in Europe than he does in the United States. People over there, even several of his critics, are more willing to admit that he actually was a smart guy who accomplished a lot, while Americans usually associate him with the [[GloriousMotherRussia their old enemy the Soviet Union]]. Germany's version of him is the more accurate one: He was (probably) wrong about how the future will inevitably lead to a classless paradise, but he was right about many other things. At any rate, he certainly wasn't evil like many future communist leaders were.

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He actually spent much of his life outside of his homeland. Due to his open, enthusiastic association with all of the most radical people of the day, Marx essentially had no chance of ever becoming a professional academic and Germany the Kingdom of Prussia eventually exiled him. He moved to Paris in 1843, and was kicked out of France in 1849. From then on, he mostly lived in London. Nevertheless, Marx is still an icon throughout much of Germany. A nationwide poll in 2003 saw that Germans voted him as the third-greatest German of all time, behind only [[UsefulNotes/TheChancellorsOfGermany West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer]] and Protestant Reformation leader Martin Luther. To put this in perspective, Marx ranked above all of the country's [[Music/JohannSebastianBach great]] [[Music/WolfgangAmadeusMozart classical]] [[Music/LudwigVanBeethoven composers]], UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, and UsefulNotes/OttoVonBismarck. In fact, Marx has a far better reputation in Europe than he does in the United States. People over there, even several of his critics, are more willing to admit that he actually was a smart guy who accomplished a lot, while Americans usually associate him with the [[GloriousMotherRussia their old enemy the Soviet Union]]. Germany's version of him is the more accurate one: He was (probably) wrong about how the future will inevitably lead to a classless paradise, but he was right about many other things. At any rate, he certainly wasn't evil like many future communist leaders were.
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