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30th Oct '17 11:43:16 PM VioletSiren97
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* IncurableCoughOfDeath: Queen Victoria ''starts'' the story coughing. It is no surprise for anyone that she would eventually die.

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* IncurableCoughOfDeath: Queen Victoria Elizabeth ''starts'' the story coughing. It is no surprise for anyone that she would eventually die.
17th Aug '17 3:11:54 PM Jacob175
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** Count Otto Von Doom is defined almost entirely by his narcissism and lust for power, while his characterization largely de-emphasizes the intellectual egotism and lust for knowledge that has so long defined the character. Notably, this version of Doom doesn't seem to have known Richard Reed prior to the latter's transformation, largely removing [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou the personal element in their long-standing feud]]. The story does feature a scene in which the handsome Doom is horrifically scarred through an ill-advised experiment that Reed urges him not to perform, bringing it more into line with the standard depiction of their relationship. Doom is also depicted in this universe as an alchemist, reflecting both the 616 Doom's use of magic as well as science and his scientific rivalry / inferiority to Reed.

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** [[ComicBook/DoctorDoom Count Otto Von Doom Doom]] is defined almost entirely by his narcissism and lust for power, while his characterization largely de-emphasizes the intellectual egotism and lust for knowledge that has so long defined the character. Notably, this version of Doom doesn't seem to have known Richard Reed prior to the latter's transformation, largely removing [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou the personal element in their long-standing feud]]. The story does feature a scene in which the handsome Doom is horrifically scarred through an ill-advised experiment that Reed urges him not to perform, bringing it more into line with the standard depiction of their relationship. Doom is also depicted in this universe as an alchemist, reflecting both the 616 Doom's use of magic as well as science and his scientific rivalry / inferiority to Reed.



** Werner got a lot of bickering from Scotius, as he kept mocking the OpenSecret by insisting to talk about "John Grey". Scotius changed his tone when he realized that Werner was not mocking anything, he really did fell to the charade and sincerily thought that he was talking about a boy.

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** Werner got a lot of bickering from Scotius, as he kept mocking the OpenSecret by insisting to talk about "John Grey". Scotius changed his tone when he realized that Werner was not mocking anything, he really did fell fall to the charade and sincerily sincerely thought that he was talking about a boy.



** Reed classifies various fields of science using the names of [[KingArthur Knights of the Round Table]] to show they're all equally important. The study of living things is "Lamorackian" (referring to Sir Lamorak, but also Jean-Baptiste Lamarck), the study of particles too small to be seen is "Borssian" (referring to Sir Bors, but also Niels Bohr), and the study of electricity is "Galvanic" (Galvan being a variant spelling for Sir Gawain, but also referring to Luigi Galvani). Though both the terms "electric" and "atomic" are derived from Greek, Reed doesn't use "electric" itself since it was coined after 1602, but he uses "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomy atomy]]" (in the plural, "atomies") which was already in use, as in ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
** Like his 616 counterpart, Richard Reed is also a scientific genius who's mind works on a level that produces theories and inventions that are decades and even centuries ahead of his peers. Which, in 1602, means that he's coming up with things like batteries, clockwork automatons, modern chemistry (which Doom exploits to make what's hinted to be chlorine gas) and what would appear to be the theory of relativity.

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** Reed classifies various fields of science using the names of [[KingArthur [[Myth/KingArthur Knights of the Round Table]] to show they're all equally important. The study of living things is "Lamorackian" (referring to Sir Lamorak, but also Jean-Baptiste Lamarck), the study of particles too small to be seen is "Borssian" (referring to Sir Bors, but also Niels Bohr), and the study of electricity is "Galvanic" (Galvan being a variant spelling for Sir Gawain, but also referring to Luigi Galvani). Though both the terms "electric" and "atomic" are derived from Greek, Reed doesn't use "electric" itself since it was coined after 1602, but he uses "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomy atomy]]" (in the plural, "atomies") which was already in use, as in ''Theatre/RomeoAndJuliet''.
** Like his 616 counterpart, Richard Reed is also a scientific genius who's whose mind works on a level that produces theories and inventions that are decades and even centuries ahead of his peers. Which, in 1602, means that he's coming up with things like batteries, clockwork automatons, modern chemistry (which Doom exploits to make what's hinted to be chlorine gas) and what would appear to be the theory of relativity.



* PretentiousLatinMotto: The mottos for Carlos Javier's school, ''"Omnia Mutantur, nos et Mutamur in illis"'' [[note]] "All things change, and we are changing with them"[[/note]]. Notable for doubling as a subtle MythologyGag, since the motto inspires Javier to dub his students "Mutantur" for lack of a more precise term.

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* PretentiousLatinMotto: The mottos motto for Carlos Javier's school, ''"Omnia Mutantur, nos et Mutamur in illis"'' [[note]] "All things change, and we are changing with them"[[/note]]. Notable for doubling as a subtle MythologyGag, since the motto inspires Javier to dub his students "Mutantur" for lack of a more precise term.



* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:''1602: Spider-Man'' reveals that in time, history as we know reasserts itself until eventually, nearly everything Rojhaz had done to prevent his BadFuture undone. On the other hand, the serum Pym used with Peter's blood survives long enough until World War 2 be used as the basis for Captain America.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:''1602: Spider-Man'' reveals that in time, history as we know reasserts itself until eventually, nearly everything Rojhaz had done to prevent his BadFuture undone. On the other hand, the serum Pym used with Peter's blood survives long enough until World War 2 to be used as the basis for Captain America.]]
20th Jun '17 7:56:12 PM BatmanKalEl
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20th Jun '17 7:55:07 PM BatmanKalEl
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24th May '17 5:03:36 AM HarmonicaJay
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* CassandraTruth: it's the Victorian era, and even in a hurry, it takes days or even weeks for messengers to arrive to their destinations. So how can brother Petros bring news within the day? "I ran here very fast".

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* CassandraTruth: it's the Victorian Elizabethan era, and even in a hurry, it takes days or even weeks for messengers to arrive to their destinations. So how can brother Petros bring news within the day? "I ran here very fast".
14th May '17 9:35:43 PM CountDorku
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* VillainDecay: Doom in the original series was a terrifying threat who required all the heroes to take down, planned to conquer Europe with an army of specially bred slaves, and murdered Queen Elizabeth I. Doom in ''Fantastick Four'' goes to the edge of the world in pursuit of ''cosmetic surgery''. He ''really'' liked being called "the Handsome".
21st Apr '17 6:04:46 AM GrigorII
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* IncurableCoughOfDeath: Queen Victoria ''starts'' the story coughing. It is no surprise for anyone that she would eventually die.
21st Apr '17 6:00:50 AM GrigorII
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* LetsYouAndHimFight
21st Apr '17 5:54:29 AM GrigorII
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* ImADoctorNotAPlaceholder: "I'm afraid armageddon is rather outside my department, Majesty"
21st Apr '17 5:46:22 AM GrigorII
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* AlternateHistory: Due to the superheroes showing up early, King James becomes King of England one year early, Roanoke becomes an independent colony, and it's implied that Ireland remains independent from Britain.

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* AlternateHistory: Due to the superheroes showing up early, King James becomes King of England one year early, Roanoke becomes an independent colony, with some new form of government other than monarchy (a republic, perhaps?) and it's implied that Ireland remains independent from Britain.
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