History ComicBook / Batwoman

8th May '16 7:47:12 PM caivu
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** Batwoman gives this answer repeatedly when Director Bones tries to convince her to take down Batman. She eventually makes it to a BigNo after getting frustrated with him.

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** Batwoman gives this answer repeatedly when Director Bones tries to convince her to take down Batman. She eventually makes it to a BigNo after getting frustrated with him. And ''then'' gives the littlest no of all when Bones reveals that [[spoiler:Beth is still alive]].



* In ''Batwoman #0'' Bruce Wayne observes Kate to determine whether she really is Batwoman, and in the end decides that the best way is to pretend to be a mugger and see how she reacts. She beats him up, but never approaches lethal force, which impresses Bruce.
* Kate's final mission of her training was to rescue a Russian diplomat's family from kidnappers. When she finds them, they've all just had their throats slit, and their killer is still in the room. Kate beats the everloving crap out of him and holds his knife to his throat... but goes no further. That's when the "killer" speaks up and reveals himself as her father, and shows Kate that the bodies and blood were movie props and the knife was a stunt weapon. The whole mission was designed to see if Kate could control herself and not go over the edge, and she passed.

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* ** In ''Batwoman #0'' Bruce Wayne observes Kate to determine whether she really is Batwoman, and in the end decides that the best way is to pretend to be a mugger and see how she reacts. She beats him up, but never approaches lethal force, which impresses Bruce.
* ** Kate's final mission of her training was to rescue a Russian diplomat's family from kidnappers. When she finds them, they've all just had their throats slit, and their killer is still in the room. Kate beats the everloving crap out of him and holds his knife to his throat... but goes no further. That's when the "killer" speaks up and reveals himself as her father, and shows Kate that the bodies and blood were movie props and the knife was a stunt weapon. The whole mission was designed to see if Kate could control herself and not go over the edge, and she passed.
8th May '16 7:42:34 PM caivu
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** Near the end of her training, frustrated with an apparent lack of progress, Kate takes out her aggression on a group of corrupt soldiers stationed at a nearby checkpoint, leaving eight of them permanently crippled.

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** Near the end of her training, frustrated and angry with an apparent a deliberate lack of progress, progress caused by her father trying to get her to quit, Kate takes out her aggression on a group of corrupt soldiers stationed at a nearby checkpoint, leaving eight of them permanently crippled.crippled.
* TheNothingAfterDeath: Batwoman commits suicide after being severely injured in a cave-in so her teammates can heal her in a nearby Lazarus Pit. After she's revived, one of them asks what death is like, and Kate describes it as a roller coaster ride in the dark.



* SecretTestOfCharacter: In ''Batwoman #0'' Bruce Wayne observes Kate to determine whether she really is Batwoman, and in the end decides that the best way is to pretend to be a mugger and see how she reacts.

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* SecretTestOfCharacter: SecretTestOfCharacter:
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In ''Batwoman #0'' Bruce Wayne observes Kate to determine whether she really is Batwoman, and in the end decides that the best way is to pretend to be a mugger and see how she reacts.reacts. She beats him up, but never approaches lethal force, which impresses Bruce.
* Kate's final mission of her training was to rescue a Russian diplomat's family from kidnappers. When she finds them, they've all just had their throats slit, and their killer is still in the room. Kate beats the everloving crap out of him and holds his knife to his throat... but goes no further. That's when the "killer" speaks up and reveals himself as her father, and shows Kate that the bodies and blood were movie props and the knife was a stunt weapon. The whole mission was designed to see if Kate could control herself and not go over the edge, and she passed.
6th May '16 10:36:22 AM caivu
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* LitteNo: A couple:

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* LitteNo: LittleNo: A couple:
6th May '16 10:35:37 AM caivu
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** In issue #21, Killer Croc fights Batwoman. Near the end of the battle, his narration box claims that he's broken Batwoman's jaw and some of her ribs, but she's shown being fully able to talk and doesn't appear in any pain whatsoever. She doesn't even take many hits during the fight, and no mention is ever made anywhere else about her recovering from such serious injuries. It's possible that Croc's description was just wishful thinking on his part, given his arc in that issue.

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** In issue #21, Killer Croc fights Batwoman. Near the end of the battle, his narration box claims that he's broken Batwoman's jaw and some of her ribs, but she's shown being fully able to talk and doesn't appear in any pain whatsoever. She doesn't even take many hits during the fight, and no fight. No mention is ever made anywhere else about her recovering from such serious injuries.injuries, and the chronology of the series doesn't seem to allow for such time anyway. It's possible that Croc's description was just wishful thinking on his part, given his arc in that issue.


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* LitteNo: A couple:
** Kate answers with a quiet, certain "No" after her father discovers she's been operating as a vigilante and demands she stop.
** Batwoman gives this answer repeatedly when Director Bones tries to convince her to take down Batman. She eventually makes it to a BigNo after getting frustrated with him.
1st May '16 12:31:58 AM caivu
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Combined with some visual retcons. The Kate Kane who appeared in 52 and other earlier cameos was not as pale, she had brown eyes, and her hair was a lighter auburn. Her uniform also had high heels in the boots, and she didn't wear a wig. To [[AuthorsSavingThrow possibly combat some of the criticism she'd received for being impractical and a flat character]], the heels and long hair were done away with when she was delved into more, her clothing style became more gothic, and she received tattoos. Comparing the early Kate Kane to the version in her series can bring up some startling differences.

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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: EarlyInstallmentWeirdness:
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Combined with some visual retcons. The Kate Kane who appeared in 52 and other earlier cameos was not as pale, she had brown eyes, and her hair was a lighter auburn. Her uniform also had high heels in the boots, and she didn't wear a wig. To [[AuthorsSavingThrow possibly combat some of the criticism she'd received for being impractical and a flat character]], the heels and long hair were done away with when she was delved into more, her clothing style became more gothic, and she received tattoos. Comparing the early Kate Kane to the version in her series can bring up some startling differences.



* HatesMySecretIdentity: An inversion in that Detective Maggie Sawyer is dating Kate Kane, but seeks to arrest Batwoman for interfering in her cases.

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* HatesMySecretIdentity: HatesMySecretIdentity:
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An inversion in that Detective Maggie Sawyer is dating Kate Kane, but seeks to arrest Batwoman for interfering in her cases.cases.
** Another inversion occurs with Wolf Spider. He's a hated aggravation for Batwoman, and he doesn't like ''her'' for how relentless she is in trying to stop him. Out of costume, however, he and Kate are close friends, with neither knowing or even suspecting the other's secret identity.
30th Apr '16 9:47:49 PM caivu
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* TherapyIsForTheWeak: The day after Kate comes home beaten up and accidentally scares Maggie's daughter, Maggie suggests to Kate that recent events (like Gotham being almost destroyed by mythical creatures) and the lingering effects of seeing her mother get killed as a child have caused her to start manifesting symptoms of PTSD, which is making her slip-up while out crimefighting. Kate is initially resistant to seeing a psychiatrist (and particularly doesn't like how quickly the doctor pinpoints one of her issues, saying she's not a "textbook stereotype"), but warms up to the idea after a few sessions and actually makes some significant progress on some of her problems.

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* TherapyIsForTheWeak: The day after Kate comes home beaten up and accidentally scares Maggie's daughter, Maggie suggests to Kate that recent events (like Gotham being almost destroyed by mythical creatures) and the lingering effects of seeing her mother get killed as a child have caused her to start manifesting symptoms of PTSD, which is making her slip-up while out crimefighting. Kate is initially resistant to seeing see a psychiatrist (and particularly doesn't like how quickly the doctor pinpoints one of her issues, saying she's not a "textbook stereotype"), but warms up to the idea after a few sessions and actually makes some significant progress on some of her problems.
30th Apr '16 9:46:24 PM caivu
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* TherapyIsForTheWeak: The day after Kate comes home beaten up and accidentally scares Maggie's daughter, Maggie suggests to Kate that recent events (like Gotham being almost destroyed by mythical creatures) and the lingering effects of seeing her mother get killed as a child have caused her to start manifesting symptoms of PTSD, which is making her slip-up while out crimefighting. Kate is initially resistant to seeing a psychiatrist (and particularly doesn't like how quickly the doctor pinpoints one of her issues, saying she's not a "textbook stereotype"), but warms up to the idea after a few sessions and actually makes some significant progress on some of her problems.
30th Apr '16 9:33:17 AM caivu
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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler: Abbott]] despite being a mythically inclined creature, he stands against Medusa's forces and leads his followers into another VillainousRescue. In the melee, he goes up against Medusa and despite being afraid of her and her monsters, he still attacks her, is turned to stone and shattered. Batwoman sadly regards his remains.

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* AlasPoorVillain: [[spoiler: Abbott]] Abbott]], despite being a mythically inclined mythically-inclined creature, he stands against Medusa's forces and leads his followers into another VillainousRescue. In the melee, he goes up against Medusa and despite being afraid of her and her monsters, he still attacks her, is turned to stone and shattered. Batwoman sadly regards his remains.



* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A large section of her ''Detective Comics'' run covers the years after she was expelled from West Point, where the running theme (And commentary from friends and family) is that she is listless and undriven, and that she does not know what to ''do'' with her life.

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* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A large section of her ''Detective Comics'' run covers the years after she was expelled from West Point, where the running theme (And (and commentary from friends and family) is that she is listless and undriven, and that she does not know what to ''do'' with her life.



** 52 also referred to her as "Katherine the younger", thus implying her mother was also a Kathy. The Batwoman series establishes Kate's stepmother as being named [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Catherine (or Katherine)]], while her mother was named Gabi.

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** 52 ''52'' also referred to her as "Katherine the younger", thus implying her mother was also a Kathy. The Batwoman series establishes Kate's stepmother as being named [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Catherine (or Katherine)]], while her mother was named Gabi.



* GrapplingHookPistol

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* GrapplingHookPistolGrapplingHookPistol: A standard part of Kate's equipment, as per usual for a Bat-character.



* HeroicSacrifice: When Kate is forced to resign from the United States Military Academy at West Point she is first given the option of denying the affair and having the event swept under the rug. [[WillNotTellALie She will not deny that she is gay]], so she admits to the charge and is discharged. However, she has a [[TakeAThirdOption third option]], which is to say nothing (Neither confirm or deny the accusation) which would result in an official investigation that could potentially rule that the "charges" were incorrect, allowing her to stay in the military without actually lying to a superior officer. Before Kate makes any definitive statement she first asks if there is anybody ''else'' under investigation, and when she hears that nobody else has been accused she confesses. If she remained silent and there was an investigation, her girlfriend, Sophie Moore, could have been discovered as well. Kate accepted discharge, from the ''only'' dream she had in life, in order to keep her lover from being discovered.

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* HeroicSacrifice: HeroicSacrifice:
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When Kate is forced to resign from the United States Military Academy at West Point she is first given the option of denying the affair and having the event swept under the rug. [[WillNotTellALie She will not deny that she is gay]], so she admits to the charge and is discharged. However, she has a [[TakeAThirdOption third option]], which is to say nothing (Neither confirm or deny the accusation) which would result in an official investigation that could potentially rule that the "charges" were incorrect, allowing her to stay in the military without actually lying to a superior officer. Before Kate makes any definitive statement she first asks if there is anybody ''else'' under investigation, and when she hears that nobody else has been accused she confesses. If she remained silent and there was an investigation, her girlfriend, Sophie Moore, could have been discovered as well. Kate accepted discharge, from the ''only'' dream she had in life, in order to keep her lover from being discovered.discovered.
** Knowing that Maggie's custody battle against her homophobic ex-husband James will rob her of crucial time with her daughter, and knowing that James has a problem with her, Kate makes a deal with him: she will break up with Maggie if he drops the case. He agrees.



* LampshadeHanging: Characters will often discuss the rules governing their actions with one another.

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* LampshadeHanging: Characters will often discuss the rules governing their actions with one another.LampshadeHanging:



** Kate's narration box at one point tries to explain that she's having so much trouble fighting Wolf Spider (a glorified art thief) because he uses dirty tactics, when previously she battled supernatural creatures with nowhere near as many problems.



* MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness: Scores a 6, including both her ''Detective Comics'' and main series appearances. Hand-to-hand combat is depicted rather brutally, one scene features a crime scene strewn with bloody corpses, Batwoman gets stabbed multiple times, a villain drowns children on-panel, another villain gets a Batarang lodged in her eye, and Kate is sexually assaulted off-panel at one point.



* PaintingTheMedium: Alice speaks with black speech bubbles and white text, except for [[spoiler: when she reveals who she is to Kate just before falling into the river.]]
** This is done quite often, Abbot speaks in brown and black speech bubbles, with flowing irregular borders. The weeping Woman speaks in various blue tones, which drip like water, and Nix's speech bubbles are conveyed through jagged black writing on her centipedes, and when hit with a flash bomb, the words are not contained by a word balloon.

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* PaintingTheMedium: PaintingTheMedium:
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Alice speaks with black speech bubbles and white text, except for [[spoiler: when she reveals who she is to Kate just before falling into the river.]]
** This is done quite often, often. Abbot speaks in brown and black speech bubbles, with flowing irregular borders. The weeping Weeping Woman speaks in various blue tones, which drip like water, and Nix's speech bubbles are conveyed through jagged black writing on her centipedes, and when hit with a flash bomb, the words are not contained by a word balloon.



* RetCon: Kate Kane's conversation with Renee Montoya during her introduction in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' revealed that she had been in the closet when she and Renee had dated, with the implication that she was ''still'' in the closet as part of her SecretIdentity. However, her origin story as revealed in ''DetectiveComics'' shows that she had come out before meeting Renee, and she tried to convince Renee to come out of the closet as well. Her appearance was also redesigned with the addition of several tattoos that were not present in her earlier appearance.

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* RetCon: RetCon:
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Kate Kane's conversation with Renee Montoya during her introduction in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' revealed that she had been in the closet when she and Renee had dated, with the implication that she was ''still'' in the closet as part of her SecretIdentity. However, her origin story as revealed in ''DetectiveComics'' shows that she had come out before meeting Renee, and she tried to convince Renee to come out of the closet as well. Her appearance was also redesigned with the addition of several tattoos that were not present in her earlier appearance.



* RockBeatsLaser: Used pretty egregiously in the FinalBattle. Granted Medusa has pretty powerful lieutenants and monsters, but her footsoldiers are mostly Tongs, armed with swords and flails, and they tear the GCPD apart. PoliceAreUseless, as despite their guns, the melee weapon Gangsters defeat all of them, Maggie and Bullock manage to kill a few (Maggie proving that they're not ImmuneToBullets). It's even worse with the DEO who have automatic weapons, but still the Tongs overwhelm and defeat them[[note]]Medusa also kills a bunch, but she's magical[[/note]] with seemingly no casualties , Bones and Chase both loose to the Hook (though he is ImmuneToBullets).

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* RockBeatsLaser: Used pretty egregiously in the FinalBattle. Granted Medusa has pretty powerful lieutenants and monsters, but her footsoldiers are mostly Tongs, armed with swords and flails, and they tear the GCPD apart. PoliceAreUseless, as despite their guns, the melee weapon Gangsters defeat all of them, Maggie and Bullock manage to kill a few (Maggie proving that they're not ImmuneToBullets). It's even worse with the DEO who have automatic weapons, but still the Tongs overwhelm and defeat them[[note]]Medusa also kills a bunch, but she's magical[[/note]] with seemingly no casualties , Bones and Chase both loose lose to the Hook (though he is ImmuneToBullets).



* StayWithMeUntilIDie: Cruely invoked in issue #4 of the ongoing, when [[spoiler:Cameron Chase poses as a nurse and convinces Bette that she's dying from her injuries, and asks her to give her a name so someone can be with her, and Bette gives Kate's name. This allows Chase to all but confirm that Kate is Batwoman]].

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* StayWithMeUntilIDie: StayWithMeUntilIDie:
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Cruely invoked in issue #4 of the ongoing, when [[spoiler:Cameron Chase poses as a nurse and convinces Bette that she's dying from her injuries, and asks her to give her a name so someone can be with her, and Bette gives Kate's name. This allows Chase to all but confirm that Kate is Batwoman]].
27th Apr '16 12:10:19 PM caivu
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* EyeScream:
** Batwoman tosses a Batarang into [[spoiler:Batman's]] lens to disable the optical sensors in his suit.
** Noctura gets a Batarang stuck in her eye.



* HatesMySecretIdentity: An inversion that Detective Maggie Sawyer is dating Kate Kane, but seeks to arrest Batwoman for interfering in her cases.

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* HatesMySecretIdentity: An inversion in that Detective Maggie Sawyer is dating Kate Kane, but seeks to arrest Batwoman for interfering in her cases.


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* MohsScaleOfViolenceHardness: Scores a 6, including both her ''Detective Comics'' and main series appearances. Hand-to-hand combat is depicted rather brutally, one scene features a crime scene strewn with bloody corpses, Batwoman gets stabbed multiple times, a villain drowns children on-panel, another villain gets a Batarang lodged in her eye, and Kate is sexually assaulted off-panel at one point.
27th Apr '16 8:12:30 AM buckmana
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* HatesMySecretIdentity: An inversion that Detective Maggie Sawyer is dating Kate Kane, but seeks to arrest Batwoman for interfering in her cases.
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