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* DoesntKnowTheirOwnChild: Is ''completely'' oblivious to the idea that Perry was anything other than perfect. Likely because acknowledging that would mean accepting she was a horrible parent.
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* DoesntKnowTheirOwnChild: Is ''completely'' oblivious to the idea that Perry was anything other than perfect. Likely because acknowledging that what he was really like would mean accepting she was a horrible parent.
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* IRejectYourReality: Mary-Louise has a near total inability to accept anything she doesn't want to hear, wheter that her son was a violent abuser and rapist or that she herself was an abusive parent.
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* IRejectYourReality: Mary-Louise has a near total inability to accept anything she doesn't want to hear, wheter that her son was a violent abuser and rapist or that she herself was an a horribly abusive parent.
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* AlphaBitch: She's what happens when the alpha bitch never learns to be a good person after she grows up.
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* TroubledAbuser: [[spoiler: Max has his father's violent streak but it's partially borne from seeing Perry's abuse of Celeste.]]
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* BrokenAce: He's a handsome, successful, immensely charming and all-around great guy as well as a violent, self-loathing and severely troubled abuser.
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* ALighterShadeOfBlack: [[spoiler:Season two makes him this compared to his mother Mary-Louise, albeit only partially. As horrible as Perry is, he does seem aware of his behavior and it's destructive effects while Mary-Louise is in complete denial about her own abuse and Perry is shown as a loving father while Mary-Louise was a physically and emotionally abusive parent.]]
* TroubledAbuser: He's a violently abusive man but it's shown that he knows how horrible his behavior is and he detests himself for it. He also suffered under the hands of a violent abuser himself in his mother.
* AbusiveParents: She was physically and emotionally abusive to Perry, blaming him for his brother's death that was [[NeverMyFault really her fault.]] It's no wonder he ended up the way he did.
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* DoesntKnowTheirOwnChild: Is ''completely'' oblivious to the idea that Perry was anything other than perfect. Likely because acknowledging that would mean accepting she was a horrible parent.
* IRejectYourReality: Mary-Louise has a near total inability to accept anything she doesn't want to hear, wheter that her son was a violent abuser and rapist or that she herself was an abusive parent.
* DeadpanSnarker: As is standard for a character played by Adam Scott.
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* BewareTheNiceOnes: Both boys are generally sweet-natured and loving but it's shown they've inherited their father's violent temper, Max more so.
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-->'''Played By''': Poorna Jagannathan
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%%* InTheBlood: From an outsider's perspective, it certainly seems this way.
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* JailBait: Invoked by her virginity auction.
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* ObnoxiousEntitledHousewife: A slightly more heroic version. Madeline sides with Jane out of feeling Renata's quest is unfair (which it is), and assuming that Jane is nice because she helped her out on the first day of school. However, Madeline too is extremely petty, pits the mom cliques against one another, and is constantly wading into arguments that have nothing to do with her. She is also furious about her daughter's plan to auction off money for her virginity because she "doesn't give a shit about the Third World."
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* She is extremely wealthy, garishly dressed, prone to throwing tantrums and using her money to get what she wants, and responds to her daughter Amabella being physically abused at school by trying to stoke a "war" between those who support Ziggy (who has been [[spoiler:falsely]] accused of the crime by Amabella) and those on her side, seeking to isolate anyone who doesn't agree with her.
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* TheConfidant: Played with. She's the first person Jane tells about her rape, although Madeline later reveals this to Ed. In addition, it seems she's about to pick up on something from Celeste telling her that she and Perry are ultimately turned on by rage, telling her that it sounds "a little twisted" [[DomesticAbuse(and it is)]]... before proclaiming that it's "kind of hot" then getting interrupted by Renata.
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* StrugglingSingleMother: [[spoiler: Once Perry dies]].
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* StrugglingSingleMother: Madeline was this to Abigail before meeting Ed, and {{Lampshades}} it frequently.
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* DramaQueen: Madeline is perpetually outraged and lives for drama.
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* {{Leitmotif}}: Played with and seemingly the only character in the series to have one. Whenever she's listening to music through earphones alone,it's alone, it's [[AntiLoveSong "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is (Will Understand)"]] by Irma Thomas. The lyrics are very fitting to her predicament:
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* {{Leitmotif}}: Played with and seemingly the only character in the series to have one. Whenever she's listening to music through earphones alone,it's [[AntiLoveSong "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is (Will Understand)"]] by Irma Thomas. The lyrics are very fitting to her predicament:
--> You can blame me, try to shame me
--> Still I'll care for you
--> You can run around, even put me down
--> Still I'll be there for you
--> The world may think I'm foolish
--> They can't see you like I can
--> Oh, but anyone who knows what love is
--> Will understand.
--> You can blame me, try to shame me
--> Still I'll care for you
--> You can run around, even put me down
--> Still I'll be there for you
--> The world may think I'm foolish
--> They can't see you like I can
--> Oh, but anyone who knows what love is
--> Will understand.
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* CriesALot: She's upset in nearly all of her appearances.
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* ProneToTears: She's upset in nearly all of her appearances.
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* AdaptationalAngstUpgrade: In the book her rape is little more than an unpleasant memory. In the series it's shown to have had long-term effects on Jane's relationships with men.
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* EvenTheGirlsWantHerEvenTheGirlsWantHer: Several female characters remark on her good looks.
* MyGreatestFailure: In the series it's all but stated that Madeline's insistence on Abigail going to college is because she regrets not going when she was younger.
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* WoundedGazelleGambit: Meets any retaliation with a vulnerable old lady act.
* LikesOlderMen: She's in her twenties and married to forty-something Nathan. [[spoiler: Bonnie later reveals that she started having casual sex from the age of 13, in all likelihood being taken advantage of by adult men. She eventually puts two and two together and comes to the conclusion that this trait was just her lashing out at her mother.]]
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-->'''Played By''': Merrin Dungey
The detective assigned to the murder case.
* InspectorJavert: Despite not being a conventional villain, her presence causes a lot of tension for the five protagonists, due to all of them being complicit in the murder.
!! Dr. Amanda Reisman
-->'''Played By''': Robin Weigert
Marriage therapist to the Wright couple and later on to the [=MacKenzie=] couple.
* TheShrink: The awesome kind for Celeste, since she helps her gradually stand up for herself. For Madeline she's ineffective, mainly due to Madeline resisting any advice that might put the blame on herself.
* ThereAreNoTherapists: Subverted in the series, with her being a CanonImmigrant.
!! Joseph Bachmann
-->'''Played By''': Santiago Cabrera
A theater director that Madeline has an affair with.
* CanonForeigner: Was created for the series to give Madeline a stronger character arc.
* YourCheatingHeart: Had an affair with Madleine while married.
!! Tori Bachmann
-->'''Played By''': Sarah Sokolovic
Joseph's wife.
* BuxomIsBetter: She gets her breasts enhanced in Season 2 and deliberately wears low necklines so she can brag about them.
* YourCheatingHeart: Tells Ed that they should get back at their cheating spouses by having an affair. Ed doesn't bite.
!! Corey Brockfield
-->'''Played By''': Douglas Smith
Jane's new love interest in Season 2.
* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: A NiceGuy love interest for Jane, replacing Tom from the first season.
!! Katie Richmond
-->'''Played By''': Poorna Jagannathan
Celeste's lawyer.
* GoodLawyersGoodClients: Doesn't resort to baiting and provides Celeste with emotional support as she's forced to answer for some of her less than admirable moments, seeing that Celeste is a good mother who is just under a lot of pressure.
!! Ira Farber
-->'''Played By''': Denis O'Hare
Mary-Louise's lawyer.
* AmoralAttorney: Assists Mary-Louise in trying to win custody of the Wright twins, using any dirt they can on Celeste while downplaying any similar incidents in Mary-Louise's past.
* HateSink: Trying to make a single mother who suffered physical abuse from her husband and emotional abuse from her mother-in-law out to be a bad person doesn't speak highly of his standards.
* SlutShaming: Pretty much every question he asks of Celeste has to do with her sex life and he tries to use it as "proof" she's a deadbeat.
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* SameCharacterButDifferent: Josh is the EvilTwin in Season 1, and abuses Amabella and Max, but between Season 1 and 2, he hasn't just TakenALevelInKindness, but his violence is never mentioned again, and Renata and Celeste let him be around Amabella with no issues.
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* SameCharacterButDifferent: Josh Max is the EvilTwin in Season 1, and abuses Amabella and Max, Josh, but between Season 1 and 2, he hasn't just TakenALevelInKindness, but his violence is never mentioned again, and Renata and Celeste let him be around Amabella with no issues.
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* InnocentlyInaccurate: It's not clear if it comes from Chloe originally, but he believes that Perry "salted" Jane. He assaulted her.
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* SameCharacterButDifferent: Josh is the EvilTwin in Season 1, and abuses Amabella and Max, but between Season 1 and 2, he hasn't just TakenALevelInKindness, but his violence is never mentioned again, and Renata and Celeste let him be around Amabella with no issues.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: It seems to run in the family.
** She justifies suing Celeste for custody of the twins because she thinks that she'd raise them better. We later find out that she abused her son, and Celeste promptly notes that abusers are often abuse victims themselves.
** One of the things that seemingly push her towards the custody battle is the fact that Celeste gets into a minor car accident. [[spoiler: Perry had a brother who died in a car accident that happened when she was at the wheel.]]
** She belittles Madeline and says that she doesn't like little people. While wearing stilettos.
** She repeatedly accuses Celeste and Jne of lying about how Perry hurt them, but she lies about her past as an abusive mother.
** She justifies suing Celeste for custody of the twins because she thinks that she'd raise them better. We later find out that she abused her son, and Celeste promptly notes that abusers are often abuse victims themselves.
** One of the things that seemingly push her towards the custody battle is the fact that Celeste gets into a minor car accident. [[spoiler: Perry had a brother who died in a car accident that happened when she was at the wheel.]]
** She belittles Madeline and says that she doesn't like little people. While wearing stilettos.
** She repeatedly accuses Celeste and Jne of lying about how Perry hurt them, but she lies about her past as an abusive mother.
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* BullyHunter: In season two Ziggy gets picked on by another student who calls him homophobic slurs, and they get into a fight when defending him.
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* FreudianExcuse: [[spoiler: In season two we find out his mother emotionally and physically abused him.]] This is a case of TruthInTelevision, as [[spoiler: abusers are often abuse victims in real life]] and Celeste states this as well.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Her efforts to take custody of Celeste's children include having her lawyer asking deeply intrusive questions and shaming her for things that have nothing to do with her ability to parent. This gives Celeste the opportunity to ask Marie-Louise intrusive questions, force her to watch irrefutable proof that her son was an abuser, and [[spoiler: convince a judge that her physical abuse of him as a child helped make him into the monster he became.]]
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* BigBrotherInstinct: After finding out that [[spoiler: Ziggy is their brother, they take it remarkably well and become fiercely protective of him.]]
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* FemaleMisogynist: If her refusal to believe that Celeste was abused or that Jane was raped, and her use of SlutShaming is any indication, combined with her belief that Perry was a perfect human being.
* HateSink: Meryl Streep does a ''stellar'' job at making the audience truly detest this manipulative, slimy, mean-spirited bitch. One of the most satisfying moments of Season Two is when Celeste just smacks her.
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!!Elizabeth Howard
--> '''Played By''': Crystal Fox
Bonnie's mother.
* MagicalNegro: Played with. She has repeated visions of drowning and something bad happening to Bonnie.
* ScaryBlackWoman: As Bonnie's [[spoiler:violent alcoholic mother]].
--> '''Played By''': Crystal Fox
Bonnie's mother.
* MagicalNegro: Played with. She has repeated visions of drowning and something bad happening to Bonnie.
* ScaryBlackWoman: As Bonnie's [[spoiler:violent alcoholic mother]].
* InnocentlyInaccurate: It's not clear if it comes from Chloe originally, but he believes that Perry "salted" Jane. He assaulted her.
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