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* At the end when Dorfl and Vimes have confronted the BigBad. There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill because he made a moral choice.
--> [[HesBack Dorfl]]: Yes.

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* At the end when Dorfl and Vimes have confronted the BigBad. There are several sub-moments, but among the best if is Dorfl saying he won't kill because the villain - even though he made a moral choice.
deserves it.
--> [[HesBack Dorfl]]: Yes.'''Dorfl:''' [[BadassBoast I Could Destroy You]] [...] But I Have Made A Moral Choice.

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* At the end when Dorfl and Vimes have confronted the BigBad.
** [[HesBack "Yes," said Dorfl.]]
** There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill because he made a moral choice.

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* At the end when Dorfl and Vimes have confronted the BigBad.
** [[HesBack "Yes," said Dorfl.]]
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BigBad. There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill because he made a moral choice.choice.
--> [[HesBack Dorfl]]: Yes.



* Vimes basically swears Dorfl in as a police officer (and thus helps to redefine the existing power structure between humans and golems) ''because the establishment dared him to''.
** He also swears in several zombies to patrol a neighborhood where a bigot had been complaining about having dwarf Watchmen in the vicinity. After all, the zombies are human, right?

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* Vimes basically swears Dorfl in as a police officer (and thus helps to redefine the existing power structure between humans and golems) ''because the establishment dared him to''.
would be outraged.''
** He also swears in several zombies to patrol a neighborhood where a bigot had been complaining about having dwarf Watchmen in the vicinity. After all, the zombies are human, right?right? Retired humans, but still humans!
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* "The golem opened his eyes."
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** [[HesBack "Yes," said Dorfl.]]
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** For the uninformed, the Piecemaker is a converted siege crossbow, designed to send a six-foot iron arrow through city walls.
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* Dorfl getting the priests to deflect their anger from Vimes to each other, while agreeing to debate them on his (non-existent) day off.

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* Dorfl getting the priests to deflect their anger from Vimes to each other, while then agreeing to debate them 'the priest of the most worthy god' on his (non-existent) day off. Seconds later, he blithely tells Vimes that he doesn't need any days off.
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--> '''Carrot''' ''(to Dorfl):'' If you are things, then you can't murder. And if you're not things, you're ''people,'' and what's being done to you is terrible.

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--> '''Carrot''' ''(to Dorfl):'' If you are things, then you can't murder. And if you're not things, then you're ''people,'' and what's being done to you is terrible.
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* In an awesome demonstration of how formidable golems ''could'' be if they let themselves, Dorfl performs an ArrowCatch on a bolt which Nobby fires at him in a panic. Nobby was using ''Detritus's Piecemaker'' at the time.

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* In an awesome demonstration of how formidable golems ''could'' be if they let themselves, Dorfl performs an ArrowCatch on a bolt which Nobby fires at him in a panic. Nobby was using ''Detritus's Piecemaker'' at the time.time.
* Carrot 'takes the case' despite Dorfl's false confession.
--> '''Carrot''' ''(to Dorfl):'' If you are things, then you can't murder. And if you're not things, you're ''people,'' and what's being done to you is terrible.
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* Dragon King of Arms [[spoiler:''announces all his plans to the hero in the first chapter through puns''. If any of the Watch had had that kind of sense of humour, the book would have been about fifty pages long]].

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* Dragon King of Arms [[spoiler:''announces all his plans to the hero in the first chapter through puns''. If any of the Watch had had that kind of sense of humour, humour (if that's the word), the book would have been about fifty pages long]].
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* The entire fight between Dorfl and the white golem ("Words In The Heart Can Not Be Taken").

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* The entire fight between Shortly after having been 'given to himself' by Carrot, the free-willed Dorfl is dismantled by the 'king' golem, his ''chem'' torn out and crumpled. Then, when things are really dire for the white golem ("Words Watchmen, Dorfl - with neither life, nor magic to sustain him - [[BeyondTheImpossible re-animates]] long enough to destroy the 'king' and scrawl one last message: "Words In The Heart Can Not Be Taken").Taken."
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* Doubling as a Crowning Moment of Humanism, Philosophy, Morality and just about anything worthwhile, the moment when Dorfl realises he owns himself and is responsible for his actions. Not only is it marked by the pronoun change - from 'it' to 'he' referring to the golem - but there also is this, incredibly powerful sentence:

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* Doubling as a Crowning Moment of Humanism, Philosophy, Morality and just about anything worthwhile, the moment when Dorfl realises he owns himself and is responsible for his actions. Not only is it marked by the pronoun change - from 'it' to 'he' referring to the golem - but there also is this, incredibly it sums up free will in two simple, powerful sentence:sentences:
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-->'''Vetinari''': I rather think I ''did''.

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-->'''Vetinari''': I rather think I ''did''.''did''.
* In an awesome demonstration of how formidable golems ''could'' be if they let themselves, Dorfl performs an ArrowCatch on a bolt which Nobby fires at him in a panic. Nobby was using ''Detritus's Piecemaker'' at the time.
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That was Carrot in this scene


* The extended sequence where a mob tries to smash Dorfl is both this and hilarious. The mob try to smash Dorfl because of the rumours of Golems killing people. Vimes tells them that's murder, so they try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman because they're not alive]], and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters, and points out that if Dorfl's a possession, ''[[BotheringByTheBook his owner, Mr. Sock, is technically the murderer]]''. Sock claims on the spot that he doesn't want Dorfl any more and they can smash him, and Carrot ''tells him that he'll arrest Sock for littering'' if he does so. Instead, Carrot buys Dorfl for a dollar. ''And insists on a receipt!''

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* The extended sequence where a mob tries to smash Dorfl is both this and hilarious. The mob try to smash Dorfl because of the rumours of Golems killing people. Vimes Carrot tells them that's murder, so they try to convince Vimes Carrot that it wouldn't be murder to kill one [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman because they're not alive]], and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes Carrot threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters, and points out that if Dorfl's a possession, ''[[BotheringByTheBook his owner, Mr. Sock, is technically the murderer]]''. Sock claims on the spot that he doesn't want Dorfl any more and they can smash him, and Carrot ''tells him that he'll arrest Sock for littering'' if he does so. Instead, Carrot buys Dorfl for a dollar. ''And insists on a receipt!''
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** Better, he swears in Dorfl, and several zombies because they told him that there were too many dwarves and trolls.

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** Better, he He also swears in Dorfl, and several zombies because they told him that there were too many dwarves and trolls.to patrol a neighborhood where a bigot had been complaining about having dwarf Watchmen in the vicinity. After all, the zombies are human, right?
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* The extended sequence where a mob tries to smash Dorfl is both this and hilarious. The mob try to smash Dorfl because of the rumours of Golems killing people. Vimes tells them that's murder, so they try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman because they're not alive]], and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters, and points out that if Dorfl's a possession, ''[[BotheringByTheBook his owner Mr Carry is technically the murderer]]''. Carry claims on the spot that he doesn't want Dorfl any more and they can smash him, and Carrot ''tells him that he'll arrest Carry for littering'' if he does so. Instead, Carrot buys Dorfl for a dollar. ''And gives him a receipt!''

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* The extended sequence where a mob tries to smash Dorfl is both this and hilarious. The mob try to smash Dorfl because of the rumours of Golems killing people. Vimes tells them that's murder, so they try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman because they're not alive]], and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters, and points out that if Dorfl's a possession, ''[[BotheringByTheBook his owner Mr Carry owner, Mr. Sock, is technically the murderer]]''. Carry Sock claims on the spot that he doesn't want Dorfl any more and they can smash him, and Carrot ''tells him that he'll arrest Carry Sock for littering'' if he does so. Instead, Carrot buys Dorfl for a dollar. ''And gives him insists on a receipt!''
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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters.

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* Some The extended sequence where a mob tries to smash Dorfl is both this and hilarious. The mob try to smash Dorfl because of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers rumours of Golems killing people. Vimes tells them that's murder, so they try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, one [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman because they're not alive]], and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters.masters, and points out that if Dorfl's a possession, ''[[BotheringByTheBook his owner Mr Carry is technically the murderer]]''. Carry claims on the spot that he doesn't want Dorfl any more and they can smash him, and Carrot ''tells him that he'll arrest Carry for littering'' if he does so. Instead, Carrot buys Dorfl for a dollar. ''And gives him a receipt!''
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--->'EITHER ALL DAYS ARE SACRED, OR NONE ARE. I HAVE NOT DECIDED YET.'

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--->'EITHER ALL DAYS ARE SACRED, OR NONE ARE. --> '''Dorfl:''' [[TheAntiNihilist Either No Days Are Sacred, Or All Are. I HAVE NOT DECIDED YET.'Have Not Decided Yet.]]
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* "[[ShoutOut Undead Or Alive]], [[Film/{{RoboCop}} You're Coming With Me]]."

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* "[[ShoutOut Undead Or Alive]], [[Film/{{RoboCop}} [[Franchise/RoboCop You're Coming With Me]]."
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* An off-screen one. After the main events of the book Vimes called the conspirators who caused all this to the palace. It isn't explicitly said what kind of conversation took place but it certainly ended with an axe being buried in a table and the conspirators leaving with strong memories of Vimes' ancestor cutting off the head of a king. Since it's in a room usually reserved for important meetings Vetinari decides to leave it there as a conversation piece.

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* An off-screen one. After the main events of the book Vimes called the conspirators who caused all this to the palace. It isn't explicitly said what kind of conversation took place but it certainly ended with an axe being buried in a table and the conspirators leaving with strong memories of Vimes' ancestor cutting off the head of a king. Since it's in a room usually reserved for important meetings Vetinari decides to leave it there as a conversation piece.piece.
* Vetinari figuring out exactly how he's being poisoned but letting it continue to a small extent so that Vimes will have to try to solve the crime in a very Vimes-like way, which is what Vetinari wants him to do.
-->'''Drumknott''': I think if Vimes did not exist you would have had to invent him.
-->'''Vetinari''': I rather think I ''did''.
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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to be proper, they should do the same to one of the protesters. See what ''that'' proves.

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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to be proper, they should do the same to one of the protesters. See what ''that'' proves.
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* Angua letting herself be taken hostage by three unlicensed thieves, so she can teach them a lesson.

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* Angua letting herself be taken hostage by three unlicensed thieves, so she can teach them a lesson.lesson.
* An off-screen one. After the main events of the book Vimes called the conspirators who caused all this to the palace. It isn't explicitly said what kind of conversation took place but it certainly ended with an axe being buried in a table and the conspirators leaving with strong memories of Vimes' ancestor cutting off the head of a king. Since it's in a room usually reserved for important meetings Vetinari decides to leave it there as a conversation piece.
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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to be proper, they should do the same to one of protesters. See what ''that'' proves.

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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to be proper, they should do the same to one of the protesters. See what ''that'' proves.
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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to proper, they should do the same to one of protesters. See what ''that'' proves.

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* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to be proper, they should do the same to one of protesters. See what ''that'' proves.
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** Better, he swears in Dorlf, and several zombies because they told him that there were too many dwarves and trolls.
* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters.

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** Better, he swears in Dorlf, Dorfl, and several zombies because they told him that there were too many dwarves and trolls.
* Some of the 'Golems-aren't-alive' believers try to convince Vimes that it wouldn't be murder to kill one, and so the Watch can't stop them. Vimes threatens to arrest them for damage to private property instead, since all Golems were at this point 'owned' by their masters. Better yet, he says that indeed, you could grind Dorfl down into dust and that dust would show no sign of ever having been alive...and, just to proper, they should do the same to one of protesters. See what ''that'' proves.
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* Vimes' first scene, dealing with an assassin in the utterly casual way that can only be the result of long practice.

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* Vimes' first scene, dealing with an assassin in the utterly casual way that can only be the result of long practice.practice.
* Angua letting herself be taken hostage by three unlicensed thieves, so she can teach them a lesson.
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* Vimes' first scene, dealing with an assassin in the utterly casual way that can only be the result of long practice.
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--->'EITHER ALL DAYS ARE SACRED, OR NONE ARE. I HAVE NOT DECIDED YET.'
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** There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill becasse he made a moral choice.

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** There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill becasse because he made a moral choice.
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* Doubling as a Crowning Moment of Humanism, Philosophy, Morality and just about anything worthwhile, the moment when Dorfl realises he owns himself and is responsible for his actions. Not only is it marked by the pronoun change - from 'it' to 'he' referring to the golem - but there also is this, incredibly powerful sentence:
--> Not ''Thou Shalt Not''. Say '''''I''' Will Not.''
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** There are several sub-moments, but among the best if Dorfl saying he won't kill becasse he made a moral choice.

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