Archived Discussion WMG / TransformersAnimated

This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.

---

Ununnilium:

• Wait, when did Soundwave rebel against Megatron? Everything he did was on Megatron's order.
  • Yes, but he clearly intended to betray Megatron and conquer Earth himself.

Conversation In The Main Page.

---

Cassius335: Should we do something with the theories that have already been proven true or Jossed? Give them their own section of the page or move them here or something?

Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: The truly Jossed ones, we move here.

---

Cassius335: Removed...

Yeah, a pretty horrible WMG I know, maybe even a poison oak epileptic tree, but if it weren't for the fact that it was a cartoon, there's no way that fetus would've survived.

...Dude, she was in labour.

---

Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Cut this and moved it here until it is refined. The official site has an empty bio for Thundercracker. His bio in the Machine Wars toyline indicates that he isn't entirely committed to the Decepticon cause, and apparently at some point finds himself in open rebellion against Megatron. The writers of the current series seem to like playing around with the personalities of G1 characters, and so it makes sense that if Thundercracker appears, he would have reservations about working with Megatron. Perhaps all that time spent among Autobots has led to certain acts becoming more than habitual.

• Revealed to be Shockwave in season 2. Also, the Seekers appear to be clones of Starscream instead of distinct individuals.

---

Servitor_2152: Moving these two statements here, as both are factually incorrect.

• The first time we see female Starscream, she is literally being assembled, specifically Starscream places her head on her body, with no All Spark fragment in the head. This may indicate that she was built female, and that it has nothing to do with personality, but rather a desire on Starscream's part for female companionship. The personality aspect seems to stem only from the All Spark fragment and not the process used to create the clones.

The first sentence is inaccurate; Starscream was building the cowardly clone at the beginning, not the female one.

• This troper disagrees, since there doesn't seem to be any dimorphism with female Starscream whatsoever other than her obviously female voice, so her gender is more likely a result of the All Spark fragment.

Incorrect; whether she was built that way or changed after being activated, the female clone has a noticeably different body shape than the real Starscream.

Scrounge: On the topic of "errors involving Girlscream", removed:

• Not actually true, she also takes a snipe at Mixmaster at one point too... Which makes her being the living incarnation of Starscream's tendency to mouth off even more likely.

Because my bad, that wasn't her. It was Thundercracker.

---

Ununnilium:

• How is he a Starscream? Sure, he's a jerk, but he's not exactly traitorous.
• And he's a pretty patriotic Autobot, as shown by the fact he's willing to go along with obviously idiotic commands from Magnus. Now, him being manipulated by the Decepticons is a very viable option.

  • Optimus didn't realize the Dinobots were sentinent. Prowl did, however, which is why he secretly rescued them.

  • We see various times that the addition and subtraction of parts is painless if there is already an attachment point, Nanosec ran himself to old age before he knew what was happening, he could have stopped sooner than later if he wanted, however, the Autobots obviously don't care about the treatment of Deceptions, considering what happened to Wasp there wasn't even any real evidence supporting the idea of Wasp being a spy, so the Autobots might be quick to condemn, or Longarm provided additional false evidence.
• Could be the writer's attempt to mimic some moments in G1 that inspired the Robot Chicken short on killing so many innocent bystanders.
• While the Autobots government does seem flawed and corrupt, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call them a totalitarian dictatorship. The writers are most likely doing this to subvert having a black and white morality type cartoon show. My guess is that by the end of the show, Optimus Prime will rise through the ranks to become the Autobot leader and will have learned enough lessons to realize the problems with his race's government and take steps to change it.
• While Megatron is more open to Cybertronian causes, let's not forget the first thing he declared upon acquiring the All-Spark was to destroy the planet that kept him prisoner. Never mind that if he crash landed on Mars, Venus, or some other uninhabited rock, he'd never have been rebuilt in the first place and a local helped him. And Decepticons aren't exactly friendly people, as Megatron had to stop his troops from slagging the Constructibots the second they were finished using them. The choice between Autobots and Decpticons in this particular continuity is a case of bad vs worse.

From the Programme Note:

If you are tempted to make an entry refuting a theory, the discussion pages are there for that purpose. The article itself should be used for tongue-in-cheek "proofs" and "evidence" supporting the theory, or for yet wilder theories.

Because.

• Or Primus. Or both at once.

Inspired by the above theory

If the reason is "because", it's not a theory. At least figure out some silly evidence for it.

• "Competence" is a difficult word to associate with Starscream. "Cunning", however...
• Actually this troper always thought he was one of the more powerful fighters in any of the various continuities. He rarely seems to get in too far over his head (in battle anyway) and it seemed that the only thing keeping him from possibly taking the Decepticon throne was Megatron's greater power and his own egomania that lead him to challenge him time and again. So this could easily be true.
• Starscream rarely gets in over his head? He took on Primus, the Transformers god.

• "Repressed"? Are we watching the same Starscream? He practically minces.
• I got the impression that the Liar was supposed to cover that, but I could be wrong.
  • I got the impression they were all traitors, and I seriously doubt I'm wrong.

• This troper likes to think that Starscream created Femmescream just to be a plaything, if ya know what I mean. The personality thing was accidental, she originally was supposed to be extremely obedient.
  • He didn't seem to expect that she'd be female in the first place, or even that they'd have personalities of their own. Although Starscream would be the sort of person who'd have sex with himself, given the opportunity.
  • Seconded (and a little put out that someone beat me to it). "You don't want to know." The way she treats him like an idiot. She clearly hates him. But she's a part of him. Self-hatred definitely. Come on, you know some part of him hates himself—all those failed plots and plans.
    • Plus his inability to gain Megatron's respect, fear, or affection. At least that's how I rationalize why she's female.
  • This troper agrees that she was constructed female by Starscream, and that the only random aspect is her personality. We see Starscream place her head on her body, then he places the All Spark fragment in her head, not the other way around. The spark fragment is shown as having had no bearing on her physical form. I disagree with the idea that Starscream expected any more obidience than he did from any of the other clones, he might have hoped for greater obedience, at the most.
• Beast Wars never had Galvatron, and neither did Beast Machines.
  • Yeah, but that wasn't the same Megatron, it was another one using his name.
  • He still went through a Galvatron like transformation with the dragon mode. Just didn't take the name.
    • In that case, it's already happened, with his reconstruction in Megatron Rising.
  • It could be Blurr for all we know.
• Alternatively, Optimus Prime IS Orion Pax, but is a bit of a washout because he rose through the ranks the hard way, rather than getting rebuilt and promoted from civilian to Grand General. There are multiple Primes because when the Matrix was lost, the title lost a great deal of meaning, and became the equivalent of "captain" or some-such rather than "Supreme Leader".
• No, Orion Pax was there at The Great Wars while this universe's Optimus Prime was indicated to have been too young to have been alive at the time. There likely never was a Matrix, or that the Matrix was rebuilt as the All-Spark (or the Matrix was a fragment of the All-Spark, which itself was lost in the original continuity). I personally think they are branches of the same universe, but it branched off much earlier.

Conversation In The Main Page. Primus a lot of this comes from the "who is Female Starscream" entry.

Also, jeez the number of spoilers for the end of season two. Worse, they were out there before the episodes even aired in most countries.

Later:

• Not to mention the fact that the Autobots pretty much just wrote off Optimus and his crew for fifty years, and then refused to believe in the presence of Decepticons when the Elite Guard finally turned up on Earth because it might "embolden the enemy".
  • Technically, they didn't write them off, Ultra Magnus mentioned how they wasted enough time and valuable resources searching them out (while mean, indicates there was more than a token effort being conducted, or at least reported being conducted).

If something's wrong, take it out. Do people not actually read Conversation In The Main Page? Hmmmm? @-@

---

Servitor_2152: Moved multiple entries that have already happened or that have been well and truly Jossed here, because my God, was this page getting unwieldy. Also moved the "Autobots are a totalitarian dicatorship" entry here, because it needs some serious trimming. The entire damn thing is practically Conversation In The Main Page right now.

Angry Archer and Professor Princess appear to be far more than random goons when they first appear, and yet both are defeated within one minute each by a single Autobot. It's unlikely such creativity would have gone into creating characters that are only going to be used to show the Autobots winning irrelevant battles; the only logical notion is that they will join forces with Meltdown, Colossus Rhodes, and possibly Nanosec at some point.

• Happens in season two (minus Meltdown and Colossus, but plus new character Slo-Mo).

Isaac Sumdac said there was something he needed to tell Sari, and he seemed like he had something to say when Megatron claimed he didn't learn anything about sparks from reverse-engineering Megatron. It's possible Isaac was able to create a spark, and made something with it: Sari. True, Sumdac's machines have an occasional tendency to explode, but he's clearly good enough at his job to be very, very rich. It may only be the whim of the AllSpark that's keeping Sari from being outed both to the Autobots and herself.

• From what we've seen, Sari is clearly biological (at least in part). However, she's been able to interface with the All-Spark twice. And there's her rapport with Blackarachnia, the only character confirmed to be part biological, part machine. Now, Issac Sumdac's scientific expertise is all reverse-engineered Cybertronian technology, so, if he's a Truly Single Parent as we suspect, then some Cybertronian technology likely was used in Sari's construction. And the "Spark+DNA" image from "Megatron Rising Part 2" is exactly what it looks like. Sari is a combination of Cybertronian and Human.
  • On the other hand, this theoretically means that Megatron is Sari's mother... though that would explain the red eyes.
    • Possible hint that Sari is a cyborg: At the end of the episode "Nature Calls", she gives a short speech about nature and technology working together. Foreshadowing disguised as an Aesop, perhaps?
    • There's also the pilot episode with the hybrid nanotech organism.
  • Also supported by the episode "The Elite Guard", where it turns out there are no records of Sari's existence. No social security number, no adoption papers, no birth certificate, nothing.
• In the season two finale, it's shown that she's definitely not all human.
  • In the season three premiere, we learn she was a protoform that scanned Isaac Sumdac.
    • Wait, does this mean that at some point she'll unfold out into robot mode? Scanning Homo sapiens can't be that different from scanning Gorilla Gorilla, and Primal still had a robot form...
    • It took a MacGuffin jumpstart but now she has a robot form.

Same logic as above. Also consider that Sumdac is at least 65, and probably older. Assuming his wife was around the same age, she would have been well past menopause when Sari was born. Sumdac apparently developed or purchased a cloning machine and used it to bring a form of his wife back. This suggests that the AllSpark chose Sari because she is the first human to be mass-produced, as Transformers are. Notice how, when the AllSpark opens up during "Megatron Rising: Part 2", it briefly shows a hologram of DNA with what appears to be a spark in the center.

• Jossed by season 3.

It may not seem all that obvious, but there are definite signs. The ship's paint-job is almost identical to that of the Autobot guardian, and its main cannon looks just like his tank turret. Furthermore, Ratchet refers to the ship as "old friend" at one point, and its decommissioned defence system is codenamed "Omega". The presence of an empty bio for Omega Supreme on the official site only makes this theory even more tantalising...

• Alternatively, the Ark will become Omega Supreme when Sari uses her key on it.
• Confirmed in "A Bridge Too Close"; Omega Supreme sacrificed himself two million years ago to end the Great War, their ship was made from his body, and the power of the AllSpark and the Key bring him back, only for him to sacrifice himself again.

So, we hear Megatron give his spiel about being a freedom fighter, wishing to unite the Decepticons and lead them back home. Now let's think about this. He welcomes anyone into the fold with open arms, including those who would be outcasts among the Autobots (particularly the tragically mutated Blackarachnia), and he even shares his personal supply of oil with the Constructicons. On the Autobot side, the highest ranking individual is the closed-minded and possibly senile Ultra Magnus; also in a very high position is the Jerkass Sentinel Prime. With these sorts of people guiding the Autobots, suddenly Megatron's spiel doesn't sound quite so hollow.

• And consider the case of Wasp. An innocent bot imprisoned as a traitor for decades, and by the time he escaped, he was completely insane and clearly damaged by his time in Autobot prison.
• It's also worth noting that when Megatron makes his broadcast to the outcast Decepticons, he speaks of "freeing themselves from Autobot oppression"... while repeatedly blasting the crap out of Starscream.
  • On the other hand, he was defending himself against the bot that once strapped a bomb to him.
• Also, note the Moral Dissonance in the way individual Autobots treat some of their various enemies: Lockdown had his various stolen "upgrades" ripped out by Ratchet, the Transformer equivalent of surgery without anesthetic; Nanosec was run into old age by Bumblebee; and Swindle was left conscious but forever paralyzed, and was taken by Fanzone to be stripped for parts — while the Autobots watched and did nothing. And all of this without any of the other Autobots batting an eye. Prime and his crew may be trying to be heroic and noble, but let's face it, these are not inherently nice people.
  • Not to mention that when Professor Sumdac was going to melt down the Dinobots, Optimus Prime supported the decision. Admittedly, he didn't realize the Dinobots were sentient, but he didn't seem to be looking very hard — Prowl noticed, after all.
  • The Ratchet/Lockdown thing might be overstating it. In Five Servos, we find that "mods" are more like tools attached to hardpoints, since Prowl didn't react to their removal by Yokitron (other than his crisis of confidence). So that's more like disarming someone than dis-arming them. Also, we find that Swindle's still intact, so it's probable that Fanzone was being sarcastic (especially since police depts. don't dismantle confiscated vehicles).
• Plus, Megatron uses the phrases "Reclaim" and "take back" when referring to Cybertron. Which suggests, at least to this troper, that Cybertron was once the Decepticons. As the Autobot's now rule it that further suggests the Autobots STOLE the Decepticon's homeland from them and, when the Decepticon's, under the charismatic leadership of the heroic Megatron attempted to reclaim the planet that was rightfully theirs, they were scattered across the universe by the self righteous Autobot's, becoming an oppressed underclass.
  • The implication is that they both lived on Cybertron, had a Civil War, the Decepticons lost, and they fleed the planet. According to the comic they lived on a planet named New Kaon until some time during the 50 year period when the Autobots were in stasis when Blitzwing and Lugnut blew it up during a Lensmans Arms Race over a stupid feud.
• And there's also the way that the Decepticon's treat their fallen heroes. Megatron is given a funeral and a statue dedicated to his works. Omega Supreme, the guy who helped the Autobots win the war, gets turned into a transport ship for a bunch of Autobot Academy flunk outs who are basically glorified repair men. Wow...way to treat your dead, guys.
  • In season three we find out that Ratchet was his guide/pilot during the war and that Omega wasn't necessarily "dead" the but in a "modified stasis" they hoped they could get him out of. They probably had him used that way because they wanted Ratchet and Omega to be close to each other.
    • We also get a good look at the lengths the Autobots went to, to win their war. They purposely created Omega Supreme as a simple minded weapon of mass destruction. What the hell hero doesn't even begin to cover it
    • Especially as you consider that what they basically did was deliberately create a functionally slow witted creature, then manipulate it into killing Primus knows how many Decepticons. Yes it was a war but imagine if here on Earth someone decided to genetically engineer retarded children into weapons. Not a pleasant thought is it? Well that's essentially what the Autobot's did.
    • Wasn't the war turning against the Autobots at that point? And weren't they established as being pretty much desperate? It's never really been played up before this series, but in the background canon, the Decepticons have traditionally always been better straight-up fighters than the Autobots. The Autobots have traditionally won through courage, determination, innovation, a lot of luck and, ironically, by being very sneaky bastards. In G1, the first Autobot/Decepticon war was won only by the Autobots figuring out the art of transformation, thus giving them camouflage and superior firepower. And when the Decepticons mastered that, and then gained anti-gravity, they became the dominant faction- Generation One begins with the Autobots literally having been driven underground and intending to flee the planet to regather their strength elsewhere. Also, note that the Autobots only made one Omega Supreme, when they could have created an army of them- Megatron, given how enthusiastic he was about taking Omega under his control in Transwarped, would have had no qualms about doing such a thing. The Autobots also were content to just use Omega Supreme to kick the Decepticons off Cybertron and then leave him in stasis, instead of building a new model once he went off-line. In fact, leaving him in stasis and turning him into a frontier ship might have been done because they couldn't stomach killing him, but they didn't want to be confronted with the shameful lengths that they went to in order to win the war against the Decepticons.
    • I'm sorry but saying "We were desperate" does not excuse an atrocity. Omega Supreme simply should never have been created. And in the original G1 as far as this troper can remember BOTH sides had transformation at the same time, except in the G1 comic where it's actually said the Decepticons had it first and the Autobots developed it second.
    • Nope, one of the episodes (This Troper thinks it was "Desertion of the Dinobots Part 2") has a history lesson where it's shown that the Warrior Droids (Decepticons) attacked first and that the Worker Droids (Autobots) mastered transformation in order to be able to fight back against a foe that had them outgunned in every sense of the term. Also, recall that in G1, Omega's entire species were basically the way Animated Omega Supreme is- he's a Guardian Robot, originally used by the Quintessons to keep their slaves in line, with a boosted brain unit.
• Megatron's "Decepticons! Transform and rise up!" could be literal, since they can all fly, but could also reference some social mobility kind of thing.
  • Especially as the Decepticons have no real home planet and the Autobots seem happy to lock them up just for existing
• Autobots don't seem to care much for their own people. They're perfectly willing to chop up the brain of a bot with amnesia for information (Arcee) or run dangerous experiments on children (Jetstorm/Jetfire).
  • Are the Jets kids? What's majority age, I wonder? Just curious.
  • Well they were recently brought online at least. But really and truly, trying to define what consitutes a child and what consitutes and adult in a species that is functionally immortal (Barring "Accidents") is mind bogglingly difficult. They did, however, seem highly naive, fitting our human view of a childike mind.
  • That could just be inexperience. It's fairly strongly hinted, at least, that as part of 'building' a Transformer, all of the basic knowlede that they need to know is installed into their brain before they're even activated. In other words, they're "born" as fully functional adults, capable of operating independantly in every way, right down to being able to fight and kill.
• Plus there's the fact that Sentinel Prime, far from being just a jerk, is perfectly willing to work with Lockdown, a sociopathic monster who butchers his victims to get high off their upgrades. By contrast Lugnut, a DECEPTICON, is disgusted by Lockdown and only hires him as a necessary evil.
  • Uh, doesn't Lugnut disdain Lockdown because Lugnut is a devoted fanatic while Lockdown is a mercenary? In other words, what offends and disgusts Lugnut isn't Lockdown's "upgrade" habits, but the fact that Lockdown has no loyalty to Megatron beyond being willing to take his Energon (or whatever Cybertronians use for cash in this continuity)? This troper is pretty sure Lugnut feels the same way for/about Swindle (who is just like Lockdown, only with arms dealing rather than bounty hunting)...
    • Well that's one of the reasons Lugnut hates him yes, but he seems to just plain dislike EVERYTHING about the bounty hunter. And even if it was just a question of loyalty consider this: Lugnut is so devoted to the Decepticons that he hates working with a scumbag like Lockdown. Sentinel Prime a "Hero" has no problem working with someone who has captured, tortured and killed who knows how many of his Autobot allies. Yeah, you can just feel the loyalty to his so called "Friends" pouring off this guy, huh?
    • While Sentinel is pretty scummy, didn't Blitzwing hire Lockdown in spite of Lugnut? Also, the comic had Blitzwing promise Lockdown Lugnut's Punch Of Kill Everything, without Lugnut's permission. And Megatron has been using Lockdown for eons. I'm sorry, using Lockdown as an excuse on why the Autobots are evil is completely ignoring the fact that the Decepticons have used his services for millions of years.
    • Well actually Blitzwing's CRAZY side promised Lockdown Lugnut's punch of kill everything. Blitzwing is, after all, genuinely unwell suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder. Blitzwing's other side seemed disgusted with the idea of betraying Lugnut but then, because his crazy half just loves to be random and contrary, agreed to Lockdown's request. It's doubtful Blitzwing would honour any deals made by the side of his personality that's functionally insane. And This troper wasn't trying to ignore the fact that the Decepticons were also happy to use Lockdown's services. I was just pointing out that so was Sentinel Prime so they are, at the very least, as bad as each other. But when you put the whole Lockdown thing up against the other stuff mentioned on this list that the Autbot's have done, it starts to look bad for the "Good Guys".
    • Maybe he was just being a glitch-head and didn't know that Lockdown worked for the Decepticons.
    • The only thing that's really equivalent to it on the Decepticon side is hiring Lockdown themselves, obviously and the Cosmic Rust weapon. So the whole "Questionable acts" thing seems more the Autobot's domain than the Cons.
• Raksha was Right. I'm getting that put on a T shirt.
• Besides this troper being disturbed by the above comment, this one confesses to LOVE Gray-and-Grey Morality, but has been taken a bit too far. The Autobots are corrupted, hypocritical, racists, with a government that borders on totalitarian. The Decepticons could seem sympathetic and heroic fighting a Well-Intentioned Extremist government, but consider the majority of their ranks are fanatics, terrorists, sadists, maniacs, not even beloved Sympathy for the Devil can help them. Essentially, both are equally detestable. Here's to the seeds of the future leaving a better after taste.
  • Nice to see that even a joking mention of that (In)famous Transformers fan, Raksha, can still create fear and horror in the online community. She had quite the reputation, didn't she? But this troper disagrees with your assesment of the Decepticons. Aside from Lockdown (Who isn't even a proper Decepticon, he just works for them most of the time) which ones have been shown as particularly sadistic? They took in Blackarachnia, despite her hideous (By Cybertronian standards) exterior, something it's suggested the Autobot's certainly wouldn't do. The only ones their out to harm are the Autobots which, given there's a war going on, is less "Sadistic" and more "Practical". No offence but this troper has seen far more questionable acts on the Autobot side then he has on the Decepticon one.
  • This troper, being the above Raksha-fearing Transfan, would like to point out Starscream and his Sadistic Choice in the premier episode. And Megatron, who considers what's clearly a fanatic to be his definition of "truly loyal." They may have taken in Blackarachnia, but she's still treated with comtempt, cruelty, and prejudice. And it's strongly implied that once you're a Decepticon, you loose a bit of yourself and free will. Optimus said in "Rise of the Construtacons" that as long as they lack the Con branding, they still had a choice. If you pay close attention in "Along Came A Spider," Blackarachnia, broken and lost, was begging Optimus to leave her so he wouldn't see her sorry state. She's so lost and disgusted with HERSELF. But as Optimus pleads with her to return with him, something seems to "click" in her. You can see her eyes flash red, and faintly hear what sounds like a computer booting up. Then all her anger and pain, she turns it from herself to HIM. It's subtle, but the mind control is there like the Autobots, only instead of ONE Omega Supreme, it's an entire population. Say what you will about how badass they are, but the Cons have no standards.
    • While I grant you the Starscream thing he is, really and truly, not exactly a sterling example of his species, given he's happy to stab his leader in the back while the others are shown to be loyal to Megatron, even if not all of them agree with him. But the "Mind control" thing is pure fanon, with no proof of it existing in universe. After all if all Decepticons were mind controlled how do you explain Starscream being able to betray Megatron while still remaining a Decepticon? Or Strika wanting to go ahead with the Cybertron invasion when Megatron told her not to? Or the fact the Constructicons had no interest in actually helping Megatron until the seekers knocked over their oil? (If they were mind controlled they would surely have HAD to help him the minute he asked). Prime's comment about their "Still being a choice" while they didn't have the Decepticon brand probably meant that he didn't think they had entirely gone over to what he saw as the "Evil" side because they weren't officially Decepticons (Not having the faction symbol that all true Decepticons wear) And Blackarachnia isn't "Mind controlled". That's just a convenient fanon cop out (And, with no offence intended to the troper who brought it up, sounds like the stuff of crappy fanfiction). She's someone whose broken and twisted inside, clearly mentally unstable, filled with self loathing and hatred, feelings of betrayal. You notice she never goes back to Megatron after he's shot down over Earth, clearly showing that Decepticons have free will and the ability to choose. She turned on Optimus because she couldn't bring herself to forgive him for his apparent abandonment of her. No mind control is even HINTED at, in the show or by Word of God. And while Blackarachnia was insulted for her form by ONE Decepticon (Blitzwing) it was during a heated arguement. And it's a lot better than what she said the AUTOBOTS would do to her (Dissection was mentioned)
    • Perhaps mind control isn't the right work, but corruption may be a term. The Allspark regards Megatron a threat, at least implied.
  • Except none of the people "Branded" changed at all. The Consructicons remained lazy, shiftless construction worker stereotypes who were only in it for the oil. And Blackarachnia was changed because of becoming what she, and the majority of the Cybertronian race viewed as a "Freak". Branding may have involved personality alteration in Energon but NOTHING in Animated backs up this, either on the show, in the comics or via Word of God. So it's purely fanon with no basis in the actual series. And the Allspark is an Autobot relic/weapon so of course it would view the leader of the Decepticons as a threat. It's clearly a dangerous weapon that we're told helped the Autobots win the war. If Megatron got his hands on it he could turn it against the Autobots. This troper can't see what that has to do with control/corruption of a Transformer.

The color schemes aren't just shoutouts to G1, nooo. The clones don't have allegiance to Starscream anymore, so it makes sense that they'd take different names.

• Note that the toyline has named several of them after the G1 Seekers; Egomaniac is Thundercracker, Coward is Skywarp, and Sycophant is Sunstorm (who appeared first in the Dreamwave comics and is thus technicially G1). They've even added a toy-only clone named Dirge.

Because this. Also, the lead character designer stated in an interview when asked about upcoming developments that "the poor bot who is being hunted as a traitor will see his luck go from bad to worse, and then things really get ugly".

• It's confirmed that the fourth episode of season three is about Wasp coming to Earth.
  • Semi-Jossed; while Wasp's official toy is a modifier version of Waspinator, "Where is Thy Sting" has Wasp come to Earth in an attempt to switch places with Bumblebee by tampering with their voice synthesizers and paint jobs. On the other hand, season 3's episode 6 is titled "Predacons Rising" and the official blurb is that Blackarachnia will transform Wasp into "Animated Waspinator" as part of her experiments to try and sunder her own organic half.
• Confirmed as of "Predacons Rising". He's now called Waspinator.

---

• To be fair, most of the Autobots didn't seem to have any real problem with organic lifeforms until Sentinel started his mindless propaganda campaign. Since almost none of them have had any contact with organic life prior to hearing Sentinel's horror stories, it's easy to see why they buy into his bullslag.

fleb: Wait, when did Sentinel fit in a fear-the-organics campaign in his fear-the-Decepticons campaign? He was spreading his horror stories as a Prime, yeah, but I don't think organics were a priority for him as Magnus, with Ultra dying and Shockwave on the loose.
They're afraid to visit organic planets for some reason, so it can't all have started with him.