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Lale: There are 3 male examples on this page, and I can think of a fourth. The male Ms. Fanservice warrants his own page, but Mr. Fanservice... doesn't sound right to me. Mr. Fanservice?

whitetigah: Sorry about the multiple edits, but I couldn't figure out how to get the text to align to the right of the image...

StruckingFuggle: I guess this goes here? Regarding the 'tricks' mentioned to make Jessica fairly dangerous in Dragon Quest 8 - what's the trick

Guy Smiley: Recently subverted with Power Girl in Justice Society Of America: her body hasn't changed, but she's finally come into her own as a successful warrior and leader, to the point that she is now chairwoman of the JSA. Black Canary was simultaneously made chairwoman of the JLA, putting women in charge of the two major DC teams.

This is not a subversion. It would be if "flat character" was necessarily implied, but it isn't.


  • You can thank "We Wanna Space Hooker" Fox for that one. Possibly the only bit of good Executive Meddling Fox ever forced on Firefly.

Air Of Mystery: Apart from cancelling it.

Fireand'chutes77: Ouch.


Silent Hunter: Regards Kim Bauer, it's not actually the case for season 1. She's actually third. Mandy gets naked, Nina gets a lingerie scene.


As to who fits and who doesnt: Tasha Yar, Action Girl, not Ms. Fanservice. The point of Ms. Fanservice is fanservice, not every attractive actress fits the bill: Troi was mostly just there to show cleavage and sense the extremely obvious, except for that one time. Tasha got to kick ass (which makes her even sexier IMO), but she wasn't just there to sex things up.
Charred Knight: What the hell is with the picture? Its a show for pre-school! Stop trying to fetishize a tv show made for preschoolers. Its disturbing

Guy Smiley: Whether it is or isn't disturbing, it's not this trope. It's this one: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EstrogenBrigadeBait

Charred Knight: How do you know that?

Sonic Panther: I removed the example, as well. It's for pre-schoolers, and the character they refered to is a purple kangaroo kid. No. Just... No.

Cliché: Removed, for Author Filibuster reasons, yet I'm going to indulge in my own.

  • Sheena in Tales Of Symphonia, who thankfully, thanks to Character Development and a good Backstory, manages to be more than just fanservice.
    • Yet some Game FAQS vets still call her the worst character, gameplay-wise. Hellooo, Miss Ninja/Summoner was not made to summon, like, say, Klarth from Phantasia.

Whether you find your liked character being described as Ms. Fanservice offensive or not is irrelevant to the article. We don't need justifying edits about how glorious said character is. Remember, Tropes Are Not Bad. This is merely one case, but I believe that there are more in this article.

Trouser Wearing Barbarian: I edited the article to make it sound less negative. People see this one as bad to the point that someone recently made a "Ms. Fanservice, except good" YKTTW for fanservice-y character with actual personalities. (For some reason, though, being Mr. Fanservice is considered awesome, even though it's the exact same thing with the sexes swapped.)

Seriously, Ms. Fanservice does not automatically equal one-sided or badly written character.

Cliché: That's because there's no All Women Are Perverts clause. Oh yeah, and My Guy Is A Slut is seen as an honour in society, for some reason.


Vampire Buddha: I took out a huge pile of bad examples. This trope is about one character who provides the majority of the fanservice. It is by defintion impossible for every character in a work to be Ms Fanservice.
  • Agreed, which is why the Joss Whedon section needs some cutting (perhaps even the whole thing, but I'm not going to be the one to do it).

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