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* AuthorAvatar was pure speculation. Pending WordOfGod (or at least his estate) or something otherwise more concrete than \\\"this looks like that, so it \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' be!\\\" guessing I removed it.
* DogSeesGod isn\\\'t part of the Peanuts franchise, so shouldn\\\'t be mentioned in the article.
* Aversions only count for OmnipresentTropes or where they\\\'d be expected in a work. BlindWithoutEm doesn\\\'t fit either, so removed the Linus entry.
* A lot of the stuff in CatchPhrase isn\\\'t even a catchphrase. Something needs to be said more than on occasion to qualify.
* Not really a CrapsackWorld, even with the BlackComedy touches. Also, the blog is irrelevant to the work page itself, as would be any other fanwork.
* Shoehorning FourGirlEnsemble. If you have to use \\\"not really\\\" or \\\"sort of\\\" it\\\'s probably not an example.
* OneSteveLimit: Again, not an aversion.
* ProductPlacement is about other products advertised in the work, not using it to advertise other products outside of said work.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot is an index, not a trope in itself. Edited to rework into the appropriate tropes, VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory and the trivia trope WriteWhoYouKnow.
* SadistShow isn\\\'t a subjective trope, and there\\\'s only a few characters who intentionally hurt the others anyway, not mass amounts of assholery.
* Misuse of ThanksgivingEpisode. The trope is about the work having an episode on thanksgiving, not one of its characters being used in something completely unrelated.
* Misuse of BookDumb \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' TooDumbToLive. [[SarcasmMode Impressive.]]
* DogSeesGod isn\\\'t part of the Peanuts franchise, so shouldn\\\'t be mentioned in the article.
* Aversions only count for OmnipresentTropes or where they\\\'d be expected in a work. BlindWithoutEm doesn\\\'t fit either, so removed the Linus entry.
* A lot of the stuff in CatchPhrase isn\\\'t even a catchphrase. Something needs to be said more than on occasion to qualify.
* Not really a CrapsackWorld, even with the BlackComedy touches. Also, the blog is irrelevant to the work page itself, as would be any other fanwork.
* Shoehorning FourGirlEnsemble. If you have to use \\\"not really\\\" or \\\"sort of\\\" it\\\'s probably not an example.
* OneSteveLimit: Again, not an aversion.
* ProductPlacement is about other products advertised in the work, not using it to advertise other products outside of said work.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot is an index, not a trope in itself. Edited to rework into the appropriate tropes, VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory and the trivia trope WriteWhoYouKnow.
* SadistShow isn\\\'t a subjective trope, and there\\\'s only a few characters who intentionally hurt the others anyway, not mass amounts of assholery.
* Misuse of ThanksgivingEpisode. The trope is about the work having an episode on thanksgiving, not one of its characters being used in something completely unrelated.
* Misuse of BookDumb \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' TooDumbToLive. [[SarcasmMode Impressive.]]
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* AuthorAvatar was pure speculation. Pending WordOfGod (or at least his estate) or something otherwise more concrete than \
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* AuthorAvatar was pure speculation. Pending WordOfGod (or at least his estate) or something otherwise more concrete than \\\"this looks like that, so it \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' be!\\\" guessing I removed it.
* DogSeesGod isn\\\'t part of the Peanuts franchise, so shouldn\\\'t be mentioned in the article.
* Aversions only count for OmnipresentTropes or where they\\\'d be expected in a work. BlindWithoutEm doesn\\\'t fit either, so removed the Linus entry.
* A lot of the stuff in CatchPhrase isn\\\'t even a catchphrase. Something needs to be said more than on occasion to qualify.
* Not really a CrapsackWorld, even with the BlackComedy touches. Also, the blog is irrelevant to the work page itself, as would be any other fanwork.
* Shoehorning FourGirlEnsemble. If you have to use \\\"not really\\\" or \\\"sort of\\\" it\\\'s probably not an example.
* OneSteveLimit: Again, not an aversion.
* ProductPlacement is about other products advertised in the work, not using it to advertise other products outside of said work.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot is an index, not a trope in itself. Edited to rework into the appropriate tropes, VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory and the trivia trope WriteWhoYouKnow.
* SadistShow isn\\\'t a subjective trope, and there\\\'s only a few characters who intentionally hurt the others anyway, not mass amounts of assholery.
* Misuse of ThanksgivingEpisode. The trope is about the work having an episode, not one of its characters being used in something completely unrelated.
* Misuse of BookDumb \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' TooDumbToLive. [[SarcasmMode Impressive.]]
* DogSeesGod isn\\\'t part of the Peanuts franchise, so shouldn\\\'t be mentioned in the article.
* Aversions only count for OmnipresentTropes or where they\\\'d be expected in a work. BlindWithoutEm doesn\\\'t fit either, so removed the Linus entry.
* A lot of the stuff in CatchPhrase isn\\\'t even a catchphrase. Something needs to be said more than on occasion to qualify.
* Not really a CrapsackWorld, even with the BlackComedy touches. Also, the blog is irrelevant to the work page itself, as would be any other fanwork.
* Shoehorning FourGirlEnsemble. If you have to use \\\"not really\\\" or \\\"sort of\\\" it\\\'s probably not an example.
* OneSteveLimit: Again, not an aversion.
* ProductPlacement is about other products advertised in the work, not using it to advertise other products outside of said work.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot is an index, not a trope in itself. Edited to rework into the appropriate tropes, VeryLooselyBasedOnATrueStory and the trivia trope WriteWhoYouKnow.
* SadistShow isn\\\'t a subjective trope, and there\\\'s only a few characters who intentionally hurt the others anyway, not mass amounts of assholery.
* Misuse of ThanksgivingEpisode. The trope is about the work having an episode, not one of its characters being used in something completely unrelated.
* Misuse of BookDumb \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' TooDumbToLive. [[SarcasmMode Impressive.]]
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@Aradials
\\\"Want to know why the nazis like it? Not because of it\\\'s humor. Not because of it\\\'s art. not because of it\\\'s writing. It is only because it agrees with them. They only like it because it kisses their ass. Strokes their ego. Blows their horn. Sucks their dicks. That\\\'s all you have to do to win them over. It\\\'s that easy. You can make ANYTHING as lazily and terrible as you want for them, but if you add any message such as \\\"dem jews be da evilz\\\", \\\"dem meksicuns be taking our jerbs\\\" or \\\"dose taowelheds muslims love satan\\\", no matter how badly, blatantly or moronic, they will instantly like it. Why else do you think that nobody else likes the comic?\\\"--SoranTheMan, in regards to Billy the Heretic, and it\\\'s so-called \\\"fanbase\\\" of White Supremacists
Now with that quote in mind, both fanbases are probably immature, but people do at least like Shadbase for it\\\'s Art, including myself. So with that in mind, I think that separates Shadbase\\\'s fanbase from Billy the Heretic\\\'s fanbase in nature because since SoranTheMan pointed out that the reason why Billy\\\'s fanbase is crap is because they are only liking the comic because it agrees with them. Not because of the Art, and not because of the writing. I like Shadbase, but only for the art, and other fans do as well. Of course, the Shadbase really is not a writer of any kind whatsoever, and if he was to ever to go out and make a serious work, he would need another writer. Noting that, I think we might be distanced from the vile likes of neo nazis.
Now while I do like Shadbase\\\'s artwork, his grimdark sensibilities, his love of death metal music and macabre imagery, and dare I say it, some of his fanservice pin ups. I honestly kind of wish he wouldn\\\'t waste all his talents so much on disturbing guro loli porn, and actually do a serious work of art of some kind. Still, I\\\'m not the guy to judge because it seems he does make good money off doing the way things are currently done.
\\\"I\\\'d say add it. The guy\\\'s a pedophile, and a mysogonist. It\\\'s like with Billy the Heretic\\\'s fans; he has them, but they\\\'re hardly what you\\\'d call mature. I guarantee you that you can\\\'t anything resembling a positive review anywhere. \\\"
Do we know if Shadbase himself is a pedophile or a misogynist? Has he wrote a manifesto or blog post of some kind stating how much he hates women and wants to rape children? If so, could you link to it?
Also. the same for his fans as well, myself included, because I\\\'m a half a fan.
I believe Shadbase and his fans are mostly just into shocking offensive humor just for the sake of offensiveness.
That\\\'s key a thing to take note here, sincerity, or the lack of it.
The big thing that separates Shadbase is that the whole comic as well as the pin ups are not serious declarations of anything. It\\\'s mostly just lowbrow disgusting stuff and porn and commissioned porn.
You see it\\\'s easy to pinpoint Shredded Moose as being misogynistic because that was a Penny Arcade style comic with two apparent self insert mary sue protagonists where one of the self insert protagonists made fun of women, called feminists \\\"orcs\\\" and \\\"feminazis\\\", acted like an entitled sophmoric douchebag, and raped an unconscious woman, and thus appeared glorified and triumphant afterwards, which made it all seem that these scenes were sincere sentiments from a beer addled misogynistic partyboy. Of course, Shredded Moose is also complicated in and of itself for another matter if we are to take into account the \\\"Cereberus retcon\\\" that was the latter half of the comic that tried to deconstruct the fratboy and negate all his apparent victories, but that is for another discussion.
My point is, at least for me, when a comic is just non stop random ultraviolence and hypersex, and it all just franchise parodies where all the characters act out of character and rape and cannibalize each other on the last panel, with no coherent over arching theme of any kind, then there is no serious sentiment other than the apparent message of \\\"I\\\'am the kid who draws flaming skulls in notebook while listening to Cannibal Corpse\\\".
Shadbase comes across to me as a incredibly gifted and talented weirdo artist with an oddball sense of humor who is a little self aware of how weird, and offensive he comes across to people, and he just casually rolls with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0dH4P0jHJA
Plus the ultraviolence and hypersexualized imagery from my recollection is not glorified in any ways, it\\\'s portrayed as dark, gritty, and evil. Even the site\\\'s mascot is a grinning skeleton man inviting people to partake in dark desires. It is what you call macabre. Fans of this kind of thing, from what I am aware, don\\\'t go out to make the world like it is in such macabre works as Shadman\\\'s, most I\\\'m pretty sure are fairly decent people in real life. The macabre is just a means of dark fantasy, a means of exploring the darker aspects of human nature through fictional artwork and imaginary situations at best, and grossing each other out with shock imagery at least.
So thus, to call the fanbase out as all being depraved misogynists, I think is a form of generalizing if you can consider that of his fanbase, people flock to him for different reasons.
While some are probably child molesting, women hating, misogynistic cannibals, most are just morbidly curious and others are just playful nightmare fuel station attendants.
\\\"Want to know why the nazis like it? Not because of it\\\'s humor. Not because of it\\\'s art. not because of it\\\'s writing. It is only because it agrees with them. They only like it because it kisses their ass. Strokes their ego. Blows their horn. Sucks their dicks. That\\\'s all you have to do to win them over. It\\\'s that easy. You can make ANYTHING as lazily and terrible as you want for them, but if you add any message such as \\\"dem jews be da evilz\\\", \\\"dem meksicuns be taking our jerbs\\\" or \\\"dose taowelheds muslims love satan\\\", no matter how badly, blatantly or moronic, they will instantly like it. Why else do you think that nobody else likes the comic?\\\"--SoranTheMan, in regards to Billy the Heretic, and it\\\'s so-called \\\"fanbase\\\" of White Supremacists
Now with that quote in mind, both fanbases are probably immature, but people do at least like Shadbase for it\\\'s Art, including myself. So with that in mind, I think that separates Shadbase\\\'s fanbase from Billy the Heretic\\\'s fanbase in nature because since SoranTheMan pointed out that the reason why Billy\\\'s fanbase is crap is because they are only liking the comic because it agrees with them. Not because of the Art, and not because of the writing. I like Shadbase, but only for the art, and other fans do as well. Of course, the Shadbase really is not a writer of any kind whatsoever, and if he was to ever to go out and make a serious work, he would need another writer. Noting that, I think we might be distanced from the vile likes of neo nazis.
Now while I do like Shadbase\\\'s artwork, his grimdark sensibilities, his love of death metal music and macabre imagery, and dare I say it, some of his fanservice pin ups. I honestly kind of wish he wouldn\\\'t waste all his talents so much on disturbing guro loli porn, and actually do a serious work of art of some kind. Still, I\\\'m not the guy to judge because it seems he does make good money off doing the way things are currently done.
\\\"I\\\'d say add it. The guy\\\'s a pedophile, and a mysogonist. It\\\'s like with Billy the Heretic\\\'s fans; he has them, but they\\\'re hardly what you\\\'d call mature. I guarantee you that you can\\\'t anything resembling a positive review anywhere. \\\"
Do we know if Shadbase himself is a pedophile or a misogynist? Has he wrote a manifesto or blog post of some kind stating how much he hates women and wants to rape children? If so, could you link to it?
Also. the same for his fans as well, myself included, because I\\\'m a half a fan.
I believe Shadbase and his fans are mostly just into shocking offensive humor just for the sake of offensiveness.
That\\\'s key a thing to take note here, sincerity, or the lack of it.
The big thing that separates Shadbase is that the whole comic as well as the pin ups are not serious declarations of anything. It\\\'s mostly just lowbrow disgusting stuff and porn and commissioned porn.
You see it\\\'s easy to pinpoint Shredded Moose as being misogynistic because that was a Penny Arcade style comic with two apparent self insert mary sue protagonists where one of the self insert protagonists made fun of women, called feminists \\\"orcs\\\" and \\\"feminazis\\\", acted like an entitled sophmoric douchebag, and raped an unconscious woman, and thus appeared glorified and triumphant afterwards, which made it all seem that these scenes were sincere sentiments from a beer addled misogynistic partyboy. Of course, Shredded Moose is also complicated in and of itself for another matter if we are to take into account the \\\"Cereberus retcon\\\" that was the latter half of the comic that tried to deconstruct the fratboy and negate all his apparent victories, but that is for another discussion.
My point is, at least for me, when a comic is just non stop random ultraviolence and hypersex, and it all just franchise parodies where all the characters act out of character and rape and cannibalize each other on the last panel, with no coherent over arching theme of any kind, then there is no serious sentiment other than the apparent message of \\\"I\\\'am the kid who draws flaming skulls in notebook while listening to Cannibal Corpse\\\".
Shadbase comes across to me as a incredibly gifted and talented weirdo artist with an oddball sense of humor who is a little self aware of how weird, and offensive he comes across to people, and he just casually rolls with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0dH4P0jHJA
Plus the ultraviolence and hypersexualized imagery from my recollection is not glorified in any ways, it\\\'s portrayed as dark, gritty, and evil. Even the site\\\'s mascot is a grinning skeleton man inviting people to partake in dark desires. It is what you call macabre. Fans of this kind of thing, from what I am aware, don\\\'t go out to make the world like it is in such macabre works as Shadman\\\'s, most I\\\'m pretty sure are fairly decent people in real life. The macabre is just a means of dark fantasy, a means of exploring the darker aspects of human nature through fictional artwork and imaginary situations at best, and grossing each other out with shock imagery at least.
So thus, to call the fanbase out as all being depraved misogynists, I think is a form of generalizing if you can consider that of his fanbase, people flock to him for different reasons.
While some are probably child molesting, women hating, misogynistic cannibals, most are just morbidly curious and others are just playful nightmare fuel station attendants.
