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Lastly, if Edelgard under thos criteria fits Dark Messiah, then what about Ashnard or Arvis why don\\\'t they have Dark Messiah on their pages but Walhart does? Because Walhart unlike those three is explicitly worshiped by his followers as a god among men and that is what separates him from Edelgard who never venerates herself as a messiah and is willing to leave her throne to a successor, in VW admits she would have worked with Claude due to similar ideals, and admits defeat to Byleth in two routes, actions a Dark Messiah under the criteria you posit would NEVER DO.

Lastly, if Edelgard under thos criteria fits Dark Messiah, then what about Ashnard or Arvis why don\\\'t they have Dark Messiah on their pages but Walhart does? Because Walhart unlike those three is explicitly worshiped by his followers as a god among men and that is what separates him from Edelgard who is willing to leave her throne to a successor, in VW admits she would have worked with Claude due to similar ideals, and admits defeat to Byleth in two routes, actions a Dark Messiah under the criteria you posit would NEVER DO.

Lastly, if Edelgard under thos criteria fits Dark Messiah, then what about Ashnard or Arvis why don\\\'t they have Dark Messiah on their pages but Walhart does? Because Walhart unlike those three is explicitly worshiped by his followers as a god among men and that is what separates him from Edelgard who is willing to leave her throne to a successor, in VW admits she would have worked with Claude due to similar ideals, and admit defeat to Byleth in two routes, actions a Dark Messiah under the criteria you posit would NEVER DO.

Lastly, if Edelgard under thos criteria fits Dark Messiah, then what about Ashnard or Arvis why don\\\'t they have Dark Messiah on their pages but Walhart does? Because Walhart unlike those three is explicitly worshiped by his followers as a god amongst men and that is what separates him from Edelgard who is willing to leave her throne to a successor and in VW admits she would have worked with Claude due to similar ideals.

Edelgard doesn\\\'t even try to force people to fight for her unwillingly. She gives up trying to convince Byleth to join her once they merge with Sothis, and is shocked if CF is chosen, and repeatedly asks if the Black Eagles are sure they would fight with her without preaching or force.


Additionally, in routes where she\\\'s the clear villain, she implores Byleth to kill her to ensure peace instead of trying to convince them that she\\\'s what Fodlan needs, and in AM\\\'s ending, her attempting to stab Dimitri has been argued as a way to force him to kill her. These actions are contrary to what you cite as a dark messiah.


Lastly, if Edelgard under thos criteria fits Dark Messiah, then what about Ashnard or Arvis why don\\\'t they have Dark Messiah on their pages but Walhart does? Walhart unlike those three is explicitly worshiped.

Edelgard doesn\\\'t even try to force people to fight for her unwillingly. She gives up trying to convince Byleth to join her once they merge with Sothis, and is shocked if CF is chosen, and repeatedly asks if the Black Eagles are sure they would fight with her without preaching.

People like Walhart are worshiped like a god by the people under them, but despite Edelgard being based on his archetype, no one is labeling Edelgard as a goddess among mortals. The entire meaning of messiah has religious trappings and worship surrounding it, you cannot act like it\\\'s not a vital part of the meaning.

Edelgard may fit some criteria as you state, but they are too vague and generic anti-villain tropes without the specific flavor of Dark messiah and merely expose a weakness in the criteria of Dark messiah. Kane of the Brotherhood, Edelgard isn\\\'t. By the logic of these posts, every knight templar is a dark messiah. Clearly Dark Messiah as a trope needs to be reevaluated to separate a clear Dark Messiah like Kane from a conqueror like Edelgard.


People like Walhart are worshiped like a god by the people under them, but despite Edelgard being based on his archetype, no one is labeling Edelgard as a goddess among mortals.

And as for how her troops don\\\'t see her as a saviour, look at the dialouges for the units in CF, guys like Sylvain and Felix don\\\'t care for the cause, and even Randolph who is born and bred Adrestian is out for personal glory rather than Edelgard\\\'s vision. People like Ladislava and Hubert who do respect her, and care for her ideals, are not worshiping her in a way befitting a dark messiah. At best, most of Edelgard\\\'s generic imperial troops view her as a way to make Adrestia the dominant power, and again, even the Agarthans who helped make her, view her as an expendable pawm, not evil jesus.