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Snoke's ContrastingSequelAntagonist entry:
* ContrastingSequelAntagonist: Much like Kylo Ren, he shares superficial similarities with his predecessor, Emperor Palpatine. However Palpatine was much more FauxAffablyEvil than Snoke, was a blatant {{sadist}} and [[YouHaveFailedMe responded to failures by killing his underlings or allies]]. Snoke, on the other hand, lacks the late Emperor's [[SmugSnake arrogance]] and more [[CardCarryingVillain overtly evil]] qualities, and instead of mocking and belittling his enemies, Snoke is graciously polite and even [[VillainRespect shows genuine admiration and respect]] towards [[WorthyOpponent courageous and noble foes]]; resulting in a villain who appears to be AffablyEvil. In fact, he has more in common with Yoda than Palpatine by dispensing wisdom, showing what seems to be a genuine concern for his apprentice and being much more of a teacher to Kylo Ren than Palpatine was to Vader, since Vader had already been trained by Obi-Wan Kenobi. [[spoiler:Furthermore, Palpatine was a ''master'' planner and really only died at the very end because he slightly miscalculated the effect killing Luke directly would have on Anakin (or was certain that ''either'' Luke would turn or Anakin would kill Luke, and thus was a bit too unprepared for Option C) and was a sneeze away from victory; Snoke, meanwhile, has to rely on overwhelming force and the incompetence of his opponents to get anywhere, and once he has to make a real calculation and interpretation of what he feels from the Force, i.e. how well Kylo will take to being pressured into killing Rey, he bungles it ''badly'' and gets turned into a DiscOneFinalBoss for his trouble.]]
Specifically the first part about him being more respectful than Palpatine. I did not get this impression from him at all. He mocks Kylo for losing to Rey, he mocks Rey for believing she could turn Kylo, and he mocks Luke (to Rey) for seemingly giving up after Ben's fall. I assume this is {{Fanon}} based on his appearance in TFA where he is less over the top evil than in TLJ (although IMO he still never does anything that isn't simple PragmaticVillainy). I will say though that I'm not familiar with much of the expanded universe so I don't know if maybe he's done stuff in it that's contributed to that image of him.
I do think the latter part of him being a BigBadWannabe/DiscOneFinalBoss to Palpatine's ''actual'' BigBad status has merit (I assume it's more recently added) so I don't want to pull the entire entry. But I think it does need some cleanup, with more focus put on his TLJ characterization.
* ContrastingSequelAntagonist: Much like Kylo Ren, he shares superficial similarities with his predecessor, Emperor Palpatine. However Palpatine was much more FauxAffablyEvil than Snoke, was a blatant {{sadist}} and [[YouHaveFailedMe responded to failures by killing his underlings or allies]]. Snoke, on the other hand, lacks the late Emperor's [[SmugSnake arrogance]] and more [[CardCarryingVillain overtly evil]] qualities, and instead of mocking and belittling his enemies, Snoke is graciously polite and even [[VillainRespect shows genuine admiration and respect]] towards [[WorthyOpponent courageous and noble foes]]; resulting in a villain who appears to be AffablyEvil. In fact, he has more in common with Yoda than Palpatine by dispensing wisdom, showing what seems to be a genuine concern for his apprentice and being much more of a teacher to Kylo Ren than Palpatine was to Vader, since Vader had already been trained by Obi-Wan Kenobi. [[spoiler:Furthermore, Palpatine was a ''master'' planner and really only died at the very end because he slightly miscalculated the effect killing Luke directly would have on Anakin (or was certain that ''either'' Luke would turn or Anakin would kill Luke, and thus was a bit too unprepared for Option C) and was a sneeze away from victory; Snoke, meanwhile, has to rely on overwhelming force and the incompetence of his opponents to get anywhere, and once he has to make a real calculation and interpretation of what he feels from the Force, i.e. how well Kylo will take to being pressured into killing Rey, he bungles it ''badly'' and gets turned into a DiscOneFinalBoss for his trouble.]]
Specifically the first part about him being more respectful than Palpatine. I did not get this impression from him at all. He mocks Kylo for losing to Rey, he mocks Rey for believing she could turn Kylo, and he mocks Luke (to Rey) for seemingly giving up after Ben's fall. I assume this is {{Fanon}} based on his appearance in TFA where he is less over the top evil than in TLJ (although IMO he still never does anything that isn't simple PragmaticVillainy). I will say though that I'm not familiar with much of the expanded universe so I don't know if maybe he's done stuff in it that's contributed to that image of him.
I do think the latter part of him being a BigBadWannabe/DiscOneFinalBoss to Palpatine's ''actual'' BigBad status has merit (I assume it's more recently added) so I don't want to pull the entire entry. But I think it does need some cleanup, with more focus put on his TLJ characterization.
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