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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... ''if'' it gets handled very, ''very'' carefully. (As in, we ''might'' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a
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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... \'\'if\'\' it gets handled very, \'\'very\'\' carefully. (As in, we \'\'might\'\' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a \"strong disclaimer\" to potentially replace [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease the noreallife tag]], but I don\'t want to [[strike:just slap it on]] throw a perfectly serviceable guideline out the window without running it by the community first. Here\'s what I came up with, based on [[KarmicRape another page]]\'s affirmation that \"RealLife lacks a narrative to pass judgment\":
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... ''if'' it gets handled very, ''very'' carefully. (As in, we ''might'' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a
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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... \'\'if\'\' it gets handled very, \'\'very\'\' carefully. (As in, we \'\'might\'\' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a \"strong disclaimer\" to potentially replace [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease the noreallife tag]], but I don\'t want to [[strike:just slap it on]] throw a perfectly serviceable guideline out the window without running it by the community first. Here\'s what I came up with, based on [[AssholeVictim another page]]\'s affirmation that \"RealLife lacks a narrative to pass judgment\":
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... ''if'' it gets handled very, ''very'' carefully. (As in, we ''might'' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a
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This trope is distinct enough from its closest cousins (FreakOut and OhCrap) that a section for real life examples could actually be viable... \'\'if\'\' it gets handled very, \'\'very\'\' carefully. (As in, we \'\'might\'\' need to make it [[Administrivia/LockedPages accessible only to the mods]].) As such, I put together a \"strong disclaimer\" to potentially replace [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease the noreallife tag]], but I don\'t want to [[strike:just slap it on]] throw a perfectly serviceable guideline out the window without running it by the community first. Here\'s what I came up with, based on [[LaserGuidedKarma another page]]\'s affirmation that \"RealLife lacks a narrative to pass judgment\":
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
<p>This is TruthInTelevision in the sense that people whose dreams and ambitions have been utterly crushed will in all likelihood take it quite poorly. However, RealLife does not have clear-cut heroes and villains -- well, maybe it\'s clear-cut to \'\'you\'\', but chances are there\'s somebody out there who vehemently disagrees with your take on who\'s good and who\'s bad. [[GrayAndGreyMorality It\'s all a matter of perspective.]] So if you have something that you think is a real-life example of a villainous breakdown... \'\'[[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease don\'t put it here]]\'\'. Really. We do \'\'not\'\' want to host a FlameWar. Consider puttting your example under FreakOut (a trope for utter mental breakdowns in general) or OhCrap (a trope for when somebody realizes that they\'re about to have a bad time). If you \'\'really\'\' insist on your RealLife example going here, don\'t just slap it on. Take it to [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Main.VillainousBreakdown the discussion page]]. If we can reach a consensus that 90% of the global population would likely agree that your breakdown subject deserves the label of \"villain\" (and we mean \'\'fairly and objectively\'\' agree based on that person\'s deeds and comments on those deeds, not \"agree because they\'re a homosexual/ethnic minority/religious minority/member of some other [[AcceptableTargets maligned group]]\"), go ahead. Otherwise, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment we]] \'\'[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment strongly]]\'\' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment recommend that you keep your opinions to yourself]].</p>
Again, I\'m only suggesting that we potentially allow this because VillainousBreakdown is a distinct stand-alone trope, rather than simply being \"Villain goes OhCrap\". To quote the page, \"the difference lies in that OhCrap moments involve a single moment where the character finds that they are screwed, while Villainous Breakdowns have them see it coming from miles away.\" So unless we can come up with a trope that\'s essentially \"like VillainousBreakdown, except it doesn\'t have to happen to a bad guy\", this could be useful. The question is if we as a community are comfortable with allowing RealLife examples, even under tight regulation, to a trope that has pretty good reason to have that [[noreallife]] tag. If not, then let\'s not put this on the page.
