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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1676: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:22:44 PM

[up]Probably an emitter, or if not, an enhancer.

edited 27th Mar '18 8:22:55 PM by LSBK

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#1677: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:37:43 PM

@LSBK

Yes Conjuration creates solid material objects. But that's it's main purpose creating objects, one's that don't tend to move on their own.

Creating Nen Beasts and Constructs is generally done by Emitters or Manipulators using emission to create controllable constructs. (As they are next to each other on the chart it's easiest that way.)

Examples Goreinu's Gorillas, Knuckle's APR, Morel's Smoke, Razor's Devils.

edited 27th Mar '18 8:37:57 PM by Envyus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1678: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:41:57 PM

Then for what M84 was talking about Conjuration with Manipulation makes more sense than Emission and Manipulation.

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#1679: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:50:35 PM

Conjuration and Manipulation is very ineffective because of how far from each other they are on the branches for everyone but specialists. To make something do work for him it would be best to be an emitter or manipulator. Particularly if he wants to make the thing that does the work himself.

edited 27th Mar '18 8:52:01 PM by Envyus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1680: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:54:42 PM

It's less effective than Emission plus Manipulation, but it's not super ineffective. And things like that seem to matter less the more proficient you are with Nen. Plenty of skilled characters show great skills with Nen types that aren't their own, or adjacent types.

Manipulation is the best starting point, though.

edited 27th Mar '18 8:56:02 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#1681: Mar 27th 2018 at 8:57:24 PM

Ah so I'd either be a brute forcer or create beings to do my bidding.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1682: Mar 27th 2018 at 9:19:44 PM

I should probably specify that I'd prefer Conjuration over Emission because I'm also too lazy to make the effort of giving out orders to Nen beasts. I'd rather just make a magical appliance like Shizuku's Blinky. Emission also seems like it's more effort than Conjuration.

I think I'd go for a Conjured self-driving car. Bonus points for being able to transport other people without looking too weird, since Conjured objects can be perceived by people who can't use Nen. To them, it'd look like any other car. And since it's a Conjured object, customizing it would be a breeze.

I'm still pondering what sort of limitations I'd put on it to increase its performance. I'm thinking things like no cupholders or a radio station stuck playing music I hate.

edited 27th Mar '18 9:35:08 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#1683: Mar 28th 2018 at 5:21:52 AM

I too would prefer conjuration, but from the personality system, my sense of humor would leave me as a transmutter.

edited 28th Mar '18 5:22:10 AM by Comun

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#1684: Mar 28th 2018 at 9:39:56 PM

Hiatus X Hiatus returns.

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damage3245 Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#1685: Mar 29th 2018 at 12:55:52 AM

Well, I suppose it was inevitable.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#1686: Mar 30th 2018 at 6:27:11 PM

Oh, I just realized. Morena being part of the succession war explains why there were 14 coffins hooked up to that weird machine, not 13.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1687: Mar 30th 2018 at 6:56:44 PM

I thought there were 15 princes in the war to begin with. But I only remember like 2 or 3 of their names, so getting other details confused isn't surprising.

Zistal Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1688: Mar 30th 2018 at 7:03:39 PM

[up] She's not. Bastard princes can't compete. The 14th capsule's role is a mystery.

[up][up]There is a massive infograph to help keep track of things. Can't remember the link to it, but it's easy to find.

edited 30th Mar '18 7:06:53 PM by Zistal

Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#1689: Mar 30th 2018 at 7:28:51 PM

/searches up said infograph

There are 14 Princes competing, guys. Well, 13 now that Momoze is dead, but still, 14 is the expected number of capsules.

Zistal Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1690: Mar 30th 2018 at 7:39:48 PM

Found it. Hasn't been updated for chapter 380 though.

imgur.com/izMC3ir.png

Sometimes it's joked that chart maker vs Togashi is the biggest battle of this arc.

edited 30th Mar '18 7:40:13 PM by Zistal

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1691: Mar 30th 2018 at 7:48:53 PM

Any guesses on the first Spider Hisoka kills? I don't see this ending without him offing at least a couple of them. Thinking about it, I'm a bit surprised we haven't seen him yet.

edited 30th Mar '18 9:01:55 PM by LSBK

Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#1692: Mar 30th 2018 at 8:02:42 PM

Franklin and Shizuku are the ones that needs to be careful. The former because he's decided to wait, out in the open, by himself, for Hisoka to come to him. The latter because her fortune said she was gonna die, and everyone else that was true is for is dead already.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#1693: Mar 30th 2018 at 8:53:37 PM

There are 14 Princes competing, guys. Well, 13 now that Momoze is dead, but still, 14 is the expected number of capsules.

We're assuming the winning Prince goes in the center pod and absorbs power from the corpses somehow. Since Morena being part of the war was apparently a mistranslation, the King is once again the prime suspect for the last coffin. That seems weird though.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1694: Mar 30th 2018 at 10:38:10 PM

Something else unrelated that's always bothered me: they said that Genthru's Countdown ability combined conjuration, emission, and manipulation. I get conjuration and emission, but where did manipulation come into play?

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#1695: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:35:43 PM

I don't think That actully is in play.

damage3245 Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#1696: Mar 31st 2018 at 6:59:34 AM

Does anybody like the fact they're addressing that the Succession War and the number of Nen users on board is inevitably going to lead to total anarchy and chaos?

I'm genuinely looking forward to things going to hell and all-out war breaking across the entire ship.

I'm also curious if the 'Nen after death' concept is going to factor into the Princes. What if one of them dies but their parasitic Nen beast remains around after death? How would that affect things?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1697: Mar 31st 2018 at 2:25:18 PM

[up][up]What is this comment even in reference to?

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#1698: Mar 31st 2018 at 3:56:07 PM

[up]Forgot the arrow. But I was saying I don't think manipulation is actully in play in Countdown. I think that is just a mistake on the wiki.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#1699: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:00:08 PM

[up]It is isn't. I reviewed the chapter listed in the citation to make sure.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#1700: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:45:29 PM

Could someone cite said chapter in their edit reason while fixing the wiki page?


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