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And more important, bucky isnt a petty criminal, the guy have a track record larger than is robot arm and he IS guilty about it even if brainwashing.

he is pretty much every terrorist but in sterioids, doing due process on a killing machine on the base that they may be something in him is foolish.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was pretty obvious that he was running away and trying not to engage, while those sent to "arrest" him were trying to kill him immediately. Sure, he made some mistakes (Cap even grabs a guy that he accidentally pushed into the stairwell and saves him), but when he's running on the rooftop, he's not a danger to anyone and, in fact, shooting him causes danger to other people. Imagine if T'Challa hadn't been wearing a vibranium suit — the helicopter people shot him a bunch of times! For no reason!

"Hey, look, there's a guy in a cat suit. Should we shoot him?"

"Well, it's not in our mission parameters, but why not."

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2018 at 11:12:43 AM

because T´challa run into the fight for is own idiotics reasons, hell im a little bit annoyed nobody call him of that in is movie.

that is the thing, bucky is really,REALLY hard to trap without killing him by how damn hardcore he is.

Under the Accords, all Spidey had to do was call a guy once a day.

There's nothing idiotic bout that, he's the king wearing an indestructible suit of armor going after who he thought was his fathers killer.

Now if he wasn't wearing the suit that would have been idiotic.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 27th 2018 at 11:21:36 AM

I think we can all agree that the Accords are, like, super inconsistent. On AOS, the Accords were basically "Sign here if you want to use your super powers on missions, but only missions we give you."

Those draconian bastards!

Is still a rampage in another country on your own that could get other people killed have thing turn wrong.

Is very easy to see t´challa as foil to rogers in that movie since both fit the description given by tony "you think you are right and that make you dangerous".

so...just like the comics then, got it.

Edited by unknowing on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:29:19 PM

T'Challa, being a head of state, can presumably declare himself a member of the Wakandan army, and then officially authorize himself to conduct an overseas military operation.

I mean, that technically means that he invaded Vienna, Austria. Bold move, T'Challa, bold move.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2018 at 11:32:39 AM

Lets say its a special emergency.

Not much bolder than sending some soldiers into Pakistan to kill bin Laden.

I was mostly on Tony's side, which is remarkable, given how much I hated Comics Stark for his actions in the original Civil War.

I don't find that all that surprising, considering Comics Tony Stark and his faction crossed a shitload of lines in support of the SRA.

I imagine the lack of Robot Clone Gods helped a bit.

And even in that case, Tony barely did anything. He and Banner spent days looking at the stone and got nowhere but the moment they look away, it’s suddenly the Robot Apocalypse.

Ultron was a trap: I stand by that.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 27th 2018 at 12:46:11 PM

Maybe I'm reading the film differently, but as I saw it, Ultron was Stark's idea from the start. He wanted to build an ultimate defensive system to protect the Earth from everything, making superheroes obsolete, because he didn't trust them to stay good forever.

Plugging the Mind Stone into the thing (even by accident) was obviously the point where it went wrong, but Stark was the driving force behind the project. Clearly he's never heard of the Scale of Scientific Sins.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:52:25 PM

"About the only event that's unquestionably on them is Ultron, and that had nothing to do with supers and everything to do with Stark being a dick."

It kinda does consider stark pretty much got away with it, meaning the team just overlook the fact he try to create a big robot using a alien stone....TWICE!.

Or wanda...but let not really got into that, isnt?

There is something to be said, though, about how after Tony saw that just a simple AI simulation could mutate into an escaping monster, he chose to do the same thing again later even after having seen those consequences.

I got the idea thanos actually like tony by his tendecy of repeting the same shit over and over and is tendecy of overscalating any situations.

Im surprised he didnt try to offer him a position in his black order.

Well, I mean, having two unstoppable murder robots running around really isn't much worse than having just one. Either way the world is doomed, so you've got nothing to lose rolling the dice on Vision being a good egg.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:58:34 PM

"I mean, that technically means that he invaded Vienna, Austria. Bold move, T'Challa, bold move.

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So T´challa is the first black men in invade two countries at once and get away with it?

Dman, he is so smooth about it.

My guess why Tony has more traction in the movie is that it is largely an international issue, whereas in the comics it was an US domestic thing. It may sound too egocentric but, my home, Germany, lost a whole airport in the Avenger's kerfuffle.

Concerning Ultron, I always thought that Banner or more precisely the Hulk also influenced its personality. Otherwise I say it's the internet's fault, whose idea was it to plug a newborn into that kind of hell?

Edited by FictionAddiction on Sep 27th 2018 at 9:09:17 PM

You must be so proud.

Also Tony. He let the infant have access to everything.

Maybe that is why vision is so good: tony close is internet conection so he remind inocent and pure.

I didn't really see it as Stark getting away with the Ultron debacle. Well, maybe legally, but personally he carried a shit ton of guilt, which was the main factor why he supported the Accords. He never wanted anybody to make the same mistakes he did.

And yeah, what Wanda did is much more 'getting away with something', given that she willingly supported Ultron and caused tons of damages and probably casualties as well with her mind raping of the Hulk.