Naruto

Zabuza after being resurrected is still a pretty big threat.

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To be fair, even POST Shippuden, its one of the better fights. Most fights on Shippuden are just "Throw nukes at each other. Whoever lives wins."

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Yeah, the fights in Part 1 generally had much more tactical finesse to them.

(There were some exceptions to the rule of course, like Shikamaru vs Hidan)

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Even if you dont care about that(I do but I have to say this) the Orochimaru vs Third Hokage fight was FULL OF SPECTACLE. I loved it so much.

Is there any fight you didnt know was a big deal until much later. I loved The Sannin fight but it didnt occur to me until I watched fansubs that it was meant to be a BIG FIGHT. I know because 2 episodes were shown together as an special in Japan.

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The fight between Sasuke and Orochimaru in the Forest of Death is still one of my favorite battles.

Sasuke was having his character development through internal monologue.

The punches and kicks and motion blurs were sublime. Music was on-point for two ninja throwing hands.

Edited by FOFD on Feb 5th 2024 at 3:22:59 PM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Gaara vs Lee is still tops for part 1.

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OMG that is actually my favorite fight in the franchise. The title in Raw Japanese is so cool to say too!

蘇れ写輪眼!必殺・火遁龍火の術!, Yomigaere Sharingan! Hissatsu: Katon Ryūka no Jutsu!

"The Sharingan is Revived, Killing Blow, Dragon Flame Jutsu"

I know the translation is shitty but I cant just put the Japanese with no translation.

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Agreed.

Lee's still popular right? Despite not winning many on screen fights (I think he's improved since then, but still).

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What?? You mean his victory against the Kangaroo boxer in the anime is not impressive enough?

But yes, Rock Lee is usually popular; he came in as number 5 or 6 in some popularity polls I saw, (sometimes even higher than Kakashi and Sakura)

Edited by jawal on Feb 5th 2024 at 10:10:13 AM

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The boy got heart.

I wonder if Boruto will give Lee his own "Night Guy" moment.

Another one of the things the Anime and Movies did better, in my opinion: They gave my boy Lee some awesome fights, many of which he even won

The fight against Shira for example was freaking epic

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Just felt like repeating a point that I made before, about the Uchiha's massacre.

Could the Third Hokage have stopped the coup peacefully, by naming Itachi as his successor?

Not right away of course because he was still young but maybe in a couple of years.

That may have appeased the Uchihas (the leader of the coup was Itachi's father) and will be throwing a bone to the clan that  have been one of the two  founders of Konoha, and were generally loyal despite the discrimination and paranoia against theme.

Itachi is one of the strongest ninjas in his age, (stronger than Orochimaru who was the favorite for the position) and the third respected his wisdom, so in a couple of years he can make a good Hokage.

.................

Of course Danzo will do the impossible to stop that, but still.

Edited by jawal on Feb 20th 2024 at 1:54:35 PM

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Danzo probably would have done what he could to prevent it, but it might have been a good idea to try.

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Tobirama would be rolling in his grave...

The latest Cilvanis (youtuber) skit was about how bad of a role model Hiruzen was to Naruto in particular. It also reminded a lot of commenters that it was an argument with him that led to Asuma, his own son, leaving Konoha for years. The Sannin also also variously left Konoha for extensive periods. Maybe he doesn't have the best judgment or personality.

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new Bort chapter out

Omnipotence reestablishing itself over time is annoying but at least suitably "godly" I guess.

And hey Mitsuki gets a little something but it's not really what I like honestly.

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Omnipotence not being a one time thing fixes a lot of issues, but it makes me wonder how Boruto knows that, and why it isn't rewriting memories of people that were affected but chose to believe Boruto (like Sasuke and now Shikamaru)

Probably. It's difficult to say since the Manga never goes too deep into the actual grievances, but the Uchiha clan at this point was obsessed with the power and glory of the Clan specifically. It's not clear whether this position would actually appease them.

Frankly i think it's a stretch to consider him a role model in the first place.

The Sannin left for various reasons. Orochimaru fled, but Jiraiya left amicably to pursue his Prophecy and later he spent most of the time away from the village as a spy. Tsunade never seems to have formally retired as a ninja, but she was not an active ninja and hence left the village for her gambling lifestyle.

I cant believe I used to LOVE the Third Hokage, he went from one of my favorites to my most hated character, replacing Kakashi whom I now like and understand better.

Also I heard someone her post that showing Naruto's Parent's death was an awful decision and while I love Minato and Kushina, I now see they are right. Showing Hiruzen SWEAR he will take care of Naruto and then fail him so utterly was one of Kishimoto's SHODDIEST DECISIONS. iF he hadnt shown that I wouldnt hate Hiruzen so much.

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The Third Hokage is pretty much the Jimmy Carter of the Naruto verse. A nice and caring man, who was just not made to be a leader.

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"Nice and Caring"

"Citation needed"

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i like him as a character but i find later hiruzen and Anime hiruzen effectively completely different people.

Manga hiruzen is a guy who can have a kind heart, but by job, experience and circumstance is capable of being tough. In fact, the whole point of the Orochimaru defection is that between that cold and calculating learned nature and his more kind and caring inner nature, the latter took over. We see a similar tension with Asuma. With added context, this is also kind of similar to Hashirama (who too is a kind soul in a harsh world) but with a streak of Tobirama (who is far more utilitarian).

Hiruzen is impacted by this the most, but it's fairly painfully obvious that Kishimoto realized the implications of Narutos' backstory on basically every Konoha character and then chose to simply ignore it. Cause logically, every single person he met and befriended would have and should have actually shunned him.

Hiruzen's had his fingers crossed when he made that promise (a classic ninja trick).

I wonder why no one pointed out Hiruzen made that promise in the anime but not in the manga. In fact most of his nastier scenes are not in the Manga.

I still hate him though. He's a failure through and through.

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At the very least, he really shouldn't have left two orphans, one with a demon inside of him and the other with a super powered eyes, to struggle on their own. If nothing else, I feel like making sure they have some support network including a long term parental figure (even if just for the practicality of making sure neither kid goes crazy) should be his job.

Edited by Freshwater on Feb 21st 2024 at 10:40:49 AM