Line #53 BlackAndGrayMorality/LiveActionTV


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8	* ''Series/TwentyFour'' deals with this most of the time. Nobody in this show escapes without doing something morally questionable. All the heroes want to do is stop terrorists and prevent devastating attacks on innocent civilians, but they fight it by torturing people (sometimes even innocent people), kidnapping, spying on people, screwing due process, and allowing collateral damage to happen, among other things. Basically, the only difference between the heroes and villains is that one side deliberately wants to do the terrible things they do, while the other side does it because they feel it's for the greater good. And that's when the show is being optimistic.
9	* ''Series/The100'': To the point that "there are no good guys" becomes a frequent phrase used by the main characters.
10	** The 100 commit numerous acts of war against the Grounders, initially through ignorance, but later decide that the best way to deal with the situation is with increased violence, particularly by killing off Grounders by the hundreds using bombs and rocket fuel. They are just trying to survive, though.
11	** The Mountain Men engage in sadistic medical experiments upon the innocent and will not even discuss potential alternatives, not hesitating even when a peaceful solution is literally shouted into their faces. This also doubles as GrayAndGrayMorality: the atrocities are carried out because it is genuinely the only way for the Mountain Men to survive. They have no tolerance for the radiation on the surface of the Earth, and the only treatment is derived from the blood of kidnapped Grounders. Later, they find that the people of the Ark can potentially cure them completely, but only with their bone marrow. The Mountain Men begin to [[NightmareFuel drill the kids]] for their bone marrow and are willing to kill dozens of teenagers for the chance to return to the surface once and for all.
12	** Pike and the people of Farm Station adopt an excessively aggressive stance toward the Grounders because they landed in the midst of Azgeda, a particularly brutal Grounder clan, and have experienced nothing but violence at the hands of Grounders. However, this leads to Pike and the rest of the Arkers committing a number of unprovoked atrocities against their own Grounder allies.
13	** Clarke herself walks headlong into this trope several times. First, when she slaughters the entirety of Mount Weather -- including allies and children -- to save her people from being harvested for their bone marrow. Then, when she [[spoiler:forcibly harvests bone marrow from Luna and nearly tests it on Emori against her will in a last-ditch effort to save everybody from radiation,]] and again when she [[spoiler:locks all of the Grounders and some of her own people out of the Second Dawn bunker as Praimfaya is approaching because she genuinely believes it is the only way to ensure the survival of the human race]].
14	* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': The main character is UnscrupulousHero perfectly willing to PayEvilUntoEvil and large portion of early episodes devoted to questioning whether he's a hero or a villain. While he mellows over time with exception of Season 4 he never really stays out of moral grey area. His opponents are hardened criminals, mob bosses, {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s and other clear villains.
15	* Everyone in ''Series/{{Barry}}'' ranges from being either a flawed but ultimately well-meaning person, to downright murderous psychopaths.
16	* ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' skirts this, particularly during the middle of the series, but for the most part is GrayAndGreyMorality instead. (Though when characters get too sympathetic to the Cylons, someone will usually point out that the Cylon's opening move in the war was to kill fifty billion people with a surprise attack.)
17	* ''Series/{{Being Human\|UK}}'': Mitchell and Herrick were basically this every time they were fighting, but the final series kicks it up a notch. The only properly white character remaining is Alex. Hal is an Old One and when he reverts he makes Herrick look like an ineffectual wimp, and Tom has basically been turned into a weapon for destroying vampires by his adoptive father. When they start going at it, the only things making them seem like the 'good guys' is their friendship with Alex and the fact that their enemy is Satan himself, trapped in human form.
18	* The old British Sci-fi show ''Series/BlakesSeven'' is a classic example of this. The "Good Guys" start out on their way to prison, with only the main character being actually unjustly convicted (Or was he?), and proceed to fight against the even worse Federation by stealing things and blowing stuff up. They also tend to leave a swath of dead bodies in their wake.
19	* In ''Series/TheBoys'', the titular vigilantes ([[NonIndicativeName one of whom is a woman]]) launch a violent, murderous crusade to take down superheroes and the corrupt Vought Corporation that handles them. The Boys are ruthless, engaging in torture, spying, theft, blackmail, and assassination; in any other superhero universe, they’d simply be the villains. However, here, most of the superheroes (with a few exceptions) are at best greedy, amoral egotists who prefer to use their power for wealth and celebrity rather than actually fighting evil. At worst, some of the “Supes” are themselves quite evil, using their powers for sexual harassment, doing the Vought Corporation’s political dirty work, and even murdering innocents. This puts The Boys on the side of relative good.
20	* ''Series/BreakingBad'' was GreyAndGrayMorality at first, but became this at the end of Season 2:
21	** From the end of Season 2 to the end of Season 4, there was Walt vs. Gus: They were both vile individuals and Walt [[spoiler:poisoned a kid]] to win the war, but Gus' ruthlessness in taking down the cartel made him slightly worse. One could still make the argument that by the end it had shifted to EvilVersusEvil.
22	** In Season 5A, there was Walter versus the Cartel. Within Walt's new meth empire, there was also Mike and Jesse, principled anti-villains, fighting for control of the business with unrepentant sociopaths Walter and [[spoiler:Todd]].
23	** Walt vs. [[spoiler:Hank]] in the first half of Season 5B became this in the premiere episode, as [[spoiler:Hank]] turned out to be as proud and vicious as Walt in his attempts to bring "Heisenberg" down.
24	** The last 3 episodes pitted Walt against [[spoiler:Jack's white supremacist gang]].
25	* The work of Creator/JossWhedon:
26	** Both ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' and ''Series/{{Angel}}'' are somewhere between this trope and BlackAndWhiteMorality in the sense that while the protagonists usually do the right thing when it's clear what the right thing is and their enemies clearly don't care about doing what's right, the protagonists also have some WhatTheHellHero moments and are sometimes thrown into morally gray situations where even they don't agree with each other as to what's the right thing to do.
27	** In particular, ''Series/{{Angel}}'' wallows in Black and Grey Morality for its final two seasons. In the fourth season, the characters initially oppose what they perceive to be a monster intent on bringing about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt; later, it turns out to be a goddess (Jasmine) who would have ended all war, hunger and disease. Admittedly, she did eat people, and paradise would have come [[KnightTemplar at the price of free will]], but the heroes are somewhat in doubt they did the right thing after the evil law firm Wolfram and Hart ends up thanking them. In the fifth season they are actually running Wolfram and Hart; this comes with a lot of questioning whether or not they are doing more harm than good.
28	*** Also in ''Series/{{Angel}}'', Wesley, who has done some questionable things, is taunted by Lilah during his search for redemption.
29	---> '''Wesley:''' There is a line, Lilah. Black and white. Good and evil.\
30	'''Lilah:''' Funny thing about black and white: you mix it together and you get grey. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but grey.
31	** In the ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' episodes "This Year's Girl" and "Who Are You?" -- as well as the ''Series/{{Angel}}'' episodes "Five by Five" and "Sanctuary" -- Faith, after having spent the last half of the last season on the side of evil, makes a genuine effort to [[HeelFaceTurn redeem herself]] for her crimes. She does this after making {{plan}}s trying to kill Angel, punching out Cordelia, and torturing Wesley, all while struggling with the will to live. The Watcher's Concil, though, actively try to kill Faith, Buffy, and the cast of Angel, while leaving each other to die at times, and one of them takes joy in killing people.
32	** ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}''. The show is all about a business that brainwashes people to act like other people and service the needs and wants of the business' clients (sometimes sex, sometimes other things). Most (but not all) of the brainwashed people "volunteered" for it, so YMMV on wheather or not this is wrong. The business sometimes uses the technology and brainwashed people for clearly good things (rescuing kidnapped people, trying to help an abused child grow up into a healthy adult etc.) and sometimes for clearly bad things (theft, ruining an innocent man's reputation etc.) In any case, they are never as bad as their enemies, which include The Ghost (a child molester) and [[CreateYourOwnVillain Alpha]] (a sadist who carves up people's faces with a large knife ForTheEvulz).
33	** ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' and ''Film/{{Serenity}}'', the protagonists are thieves but usually non-violent except in self-defense; the main antagonist is a corrupt government that tortured an innocent little girl. The Independents, whose side Mal was on, weren’t entirely innocent either, given the worlds that supported them often have trouble with kidnapping, slavery and lawlessness.
34	* ''Series/{{Caprica}}'' is this. It plays with GrayAndGreyMorality but so far the various players are a fundamentalist monotheistic terrorist group, a racist and corrupt gilded society, a ruthless crime syndicate "family," and a corporate CEO who's willing to enslave another race (albiet one he believes has no free will to begin with) in order to save his personal fortunes.
35	* ''Series/{{Chuck}}'': The NSA and CIA and their agents are shown to be clearly on the right side, fighting to protect the country and its citizens (and often the world in general) from extremely evil terrorists and corrupt spies. However they are ready and willing to do some pretty nasty things, such as killing a completely innocent guy who happens to have all the government secrets in his head, or summarily executing an unarmed, defenseless, surrendering (albeit very dangerous and evil) enemy agent, for national security.
36	* In ''Series/{{Colony}}'', the Hosts are brutal occupiers who commit any number of atrocities, but the resistance movement has no qualms about using terrorism or young combatants, and [[spoiler:one of them brutally murders [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Phyllis]] and her husband, the latter of whom is incapacitated due to a stroke]].
37	* ''Series/{{Community}}''. There's the study group who are often judgmental, self-righteous jerks, and then there's Chang, an insane psychotic attempted murderer, and Pierce, a racist, sexist, sociopathic bully whose prime goal in life is to make everyone's life a living hell.
38	** DependingOnTheWriter, Pierce and Chang can be pathetic, [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friend-seeking]] {{Butt Monkey}}s.
39	* ''Series/{{Copper}}''. The protagonists are prostitutes, cheaters, and murderers. Corky and Francis often go above the law and use unnecessarily violent means to get information. Elizabeth Haverford [[spoiler:sends a child home to her abusive "father"]] without a second thought, and Chief Sullivan is corrupt, focusing on his own goals rather than fighting crime.
40	* ''Series/CSIMiami'' has been guilty of this for years. The head of the lab, Horatio Caine, informed an unresisting pedophile that he was "resisting arrest," meaning he was about to get a serious beating. Horatio and his brother-in-law went to Brazil to kill the man responsible for his wife's murder. The instances of police brutality are too numerous to count, all excused by the idea that the victims are all bad guys and the 'good guys' needed information from them.
41	* ''Series/{{Dexter}}''. The eponymous character is a serial killer. But, he only kills other killers, most of whom are even worse than him. (Likewise in the novels, as well as the serial killer in Bradley Denton's book "Blackburn", which is similar to Dexter (but earlier: 1993).
42	* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
43	** The Kaleds and Thals, as portrayed in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''Genesis of the Daleks''. They're even verging on black and black, given the Kaleds are ANaziByAnyOtherName and progenitors of the Daleks, and the barely less evil Thals are planning to wipe out the entire Kaled race with a "distronic" missile (strongly implied to be something like a nuclear weapon).
44	** The time war seems to have been a case of this. The Daleks are as black as they've always been, but the Time Lords clearly did some horrible things as well, just about the only redeeming feature of the Doctor's species is that it contains good people. In fact, we eventually learn that the Doctor's actions to end the Time War (by removing both sides from the universe) weren't to stop the Daleks, but ''to stop the Time Lords''.
45	** Due to the show's heavy use of ObviouslyEvil - with very few villains having so much as good intentions or good points - most of the moral questioning in the show ends up concentrating on the Doctor's side. Sometimes, in order to stop ScaryDogmaticAliens or OmnicidalManiac {{Mad Scientist}}s or even the odd EldritchAbomination from destroying the planet, he has to do things that are morally reprehensible, and the moral tension comes from asking whether the Doctor's actions are justified. Whether or not they are [[DependingOnTheWriter Depends On The Writer]] - sometimes they definitely aren't (murdering hundreds of thousands of children in front of their mother in order to prevent the Earth being destroyed in "The Runaway Bride"), sometimes they definitely are (arranging for a murderer to be [[HoistByHisOwnPetard strangled to death by his own robot]] in "The Robots of Death"), sometimes it's a mixture (the genocide against the Silence in "Day of the Moon"), sometimes the show completely skips over the moral dimension (BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood in "The Savages") and sometimes the Doctor is set up to do an action of this kind but changes his mind because it's too horrible (refusing to commit genocide against the Daleks in "Genesis of the Daleks", and the Doctor's solution to the Time Lord genocide in "Day of the Doctor"). This is also a weird example in that the tone of the show is generally very idealistic and romantic, not a CrapsackWorld.
46	* ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', hits this harder and harder as the series goes along. The protagonists are fugitives who--in the course of running from ''two'' evil governments that want them dead--rack up higher and higher body counts and destruction, blowing up bases, robbing banks, and vaporizing at least one planet. When at the end the villains finally start a galaxy-wide war, John Crichton decides to fix it by [[spoiler: using a weapon that would ''destroy the galaxy'' if they don't surrender.]] ''He's not bluffing''.
47	* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Like its [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire novel counterpart]], most of the [[AntiHero heroes are morally flawed]] and will [[PragmaticHero do whatever it takes]] to keep their allies from harm, even if it means killing enemies. While many characters can show sympathy, the presence of people like [[BlackKnight Gregor Clegane]], [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton]], and [[TheCaligula Joffrey Baratheon]] justifies the heroes for [[PayEvilUntoEvil being merciless towards certain people]], considering how many of the villains are downright [[TheSociopath sociopaths]]. Not to mention their continent is about to be threatened by [[AlwaysABiggerFish even more dangerous, zombified creatures]]. If there are any ideal heroes in the show, they will either be too [[ChildrenAreInnocent young]], [[VirtueIsWeakness weak]], [[WideEyedIdealist naive]], [[HeroicSelfDeprecation insecure]], or [[TooDumbToLive killed off from the start]].
48	* ''Series/{{Hannibal}}'' is a show where every [[TheCutie cutie]] is made to be [[BreakTheCutie broken]], {{corrupt\| the cutie}}ed, or {{kill\| the cutie}}ed. A show where the protagonist's superpower is thinking like the most dangerous criminals around. And where the title character, a [[ImAHumanitarian cannibal]] who gets the other characters to unknowingly partake as well as [[TheCorrupter tempting them into other evils]] is a sometimes necessary evil because there are others much more vile than he.
49	* ''Series/Intelligence2006'': The nicest character on the whole show runs a multi-million-dollar drug smuggling racket.
50	* In the first-season finale for ''Series/TheLastShip'', the crew of the ''Nathan James'' arrive in Baltimore, where they learn that what's left of the government has been under siege by a right-wing militia called the Warlords. However, as they start settling in, they discover that [[spoiler:the government is planning to limit access to the cure so that only the "right" kind of people get it, while others get a counterfeit that aggravates the disease so that they succumb more quickly.]]
51	* ''Series/MadMen'': Due to the nature of the times, the men more so than the women. Most men tend to be lying cheating assholes, and the women either act this way too or they are ''screwed''.
52	* ''Series/MotherlandFortSalem'': On one side, you have the US Army, a profoundly jingoistic organization that condemns thousands of young women to lives of forced military service so that a handful of very old witches can continue to live in power and prosperity, and which is so thoroughly awash in propaganda and indoctrination that even someone as sweet and kind as Tally Craven is prepared to do violence on its behalf. On the other side, you have the Spree, a truly vile terrorist organization that mass-murders civilians in cold blood using horrifying magic. The Camarilla, an ancient organization that once attacked witches [[spoiler:has also been reactivated and wants to restart the old persecutions thought to be forever gone.]]
53	* The protagonists of ''Series/MrRobot'' are hackers who regularly engage in theft, drug abuse, and even murder in the pursuit of their goals; by season 3, they're full-fledged terrorists whose attempts to rebel against the system have [[spoiler:brought the U.S. economy to its knees and killed over 4,000 innocent people in a massive bombing]]. They would be portrayed as villains if not for [[NebulousEvilOrganization the Dark Army]], an international crime syndicate headed by the Chinese Minister of Security that has manipulated the protagonists into causing all of the above events in order to create ultimate anarchy.
54	* ''Series/OrphanBlack'': Sarah and Felix are morally dubious characters at best - Sarah gets involved with the clones so that she can steal Beth's money. The clones are willing to get their hands dirty to survive. On the other hand, they're up against one conspiracy that performed illegal human cloning experiments and another of religious zealots who want to kill them.
55	* ''Series/{{Oz}}'' has a few baddies among its prisoners, including Neo-Nazis like Schillinger and brutish psychopaths like Adebisi, but even the most 'innocent' characters—Beecher, Cyril, Rebadow and Hill— are killers. Tom Fontana did not want any of the prisoners to be innocent of the crime they were put into prison for. In addition, a lot of the characters on the other side, such as the guards, the prison administrators and the governor, are self-serving, arrogant, vainglorious, prone to grandstanding, and/or not above abusing their authority for their own ends. The show has a few truly moral characters, like Father Mukada and Sister Peter Marie, and some prisoners like Hamid Khan (put in jail for preventing a rape) and Father Meehan (in jail for hitting a cop in self defense during a protest), but they are very few and far between in a show with numerous characters.
56	* ''Series/{{Peacemaker\|2022}}'': The title character is a jerk and a murderer, forced to join the ARGUS team that are {{Punch Clock Villain}}s at best, knowing that they're doing morally questionable things, but it's in the interest of the security of the country, if not the world. Still better than Peacemaker's father, a racist terrorist whose abusive upbringing of his two sons even led to one being accidentally killed. And the overarching villains are WellIntentionedExtremist aliens who want to save mankind... through [[PuppeteerParasite possession of humans]], wanton murder, and the implication they want to terraform Earth into a planet they'd live better in.
57	* ''Series/{{Profit}}'': However, the [[VillainProtagonist protagonist]], Jim Profit, might be the character with the blackest take on morality.
58	* ''Series/PuppetsWhoKill'': Everyone is a {{Jerkass}} to some degree and deserves the horrible things that will inevitably happen to them.
59	* ''Series/TheShield'', big time. Apart from, at the most, one character (Claudette Wyms), everyone in the show is either outright villainous or at least very shady. This includes the apparent "good guys".
60	** In fact, the most corrupt and immoral of the supposed "good guys" (as in the police) are the four man Strike Team, whom the protagonist leads and the show revolves around.
61	** Dutch Wagenbach, one of the very few non-corrupt cops, could hardly be considered completely good. The only morally dubious thing he did was [[spoiler:strangle that cat]] and [[spoiler:plant evidence, but he even took that back]]. ''However,'' he is shown to have an unhealthy fascination with serial killers... and maybe understands them a little too well, hinting that if he weren't catching them he might be one himself.
62	* ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy'': The title biker gang is mostly composed of {{Sociopathic Hero}}es (except for Tig (PsychoForHire), Jax (AntiHero or AntiVillain depending on ones viewpoint) and Opie (TheWoobie). The cops are all hopelessly corrupt or psycho except for Hale, the KnightInSourArmor and Stahl, the KnightTemplar. And then there are the ''really'' nasty gangs.
63	* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[{{Reconstruction}} Reconstructed]]. The show's primary focus is to deconstruct the utopian nature of the Federation by having Starfleet characters [[GrayingMorality become increasingly morally ambiguous]] and presenting no side as being completely in the right.
64	** In "Waltz", the deranged Cardassian war criminal Gul Dukat tries to convince Benjamin Sisko that his actions during the occupation of Bajor were justified under the circumstances. He fails to convince Sisko, until Dukat eventually goes on a racist tirade where [[ThenLetMeBeEvil he acknowledges his own evil]] and his conviction that he should have just [[FinalSolution wiped out every Bajoran man, woman and child]] when he had the chance. Sisko ends the episode reflecting that in a morally gray cosmos, there are still truly evil characters.
65	** The plight of the Founders and some more militant Bajorans show how easily it is to slip from brutal necessity to paranoia and excess. By the end of the series, both have resolved to try and show more compassion to other civilizations, even if things will never be perfect.
66	* As ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' becomes more and more of a CrapsackWorld, it's only right that they should start to wallow in this too.
67	** [[spoiler:Dean and John's [[DealWithTheDevil deals with the devil]] are more selfish suicides than {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s]], they later kill demons without any thought to the human host, John was a suicidally broken man who fucked up everything, Dean's annoying martyrdom, low self-esteem and messed up death wish frustrates Sam and Bobby and Sam's willing to destroy everyone and everything that might hurt Dean. After all this, you start to get the impression that becoming evil might look like a much better deal.
68	** The Angels themselves are ruthless, deceptive, and authoritarian and they are [[spoiler: willing to bring about an apocalypse that will kill millions of humans]] but their ultimate goal is the cleanse the world of evil and bring about paradise on earth. They even convince Dean to return to torturing, something that absolutely wrecks him, because they need to find out who is killing angels.
69	** In Season 6, Castiel goes through it when he [[spoiler: starts working with Crowley in order to obtain the power to defeat Raphael. The Winchesters see this as a huge betrayal, but Castiel is genuinely terrified at Rafael restarting the Apocalypse, which would result in the deaths of millions and undo all Sam and Dean's sacrifices from earlier seasons. It's heavily implied that had Castiel [[PoorCommunicationKills not deceived the Winchesters]], who themselves had worked with Crowley to defeat Lucifer, they might have avoided all the angst. Instead, Castiel gets DrunkOnTheDarkside.]]
70	* ''Series/{{Taboo}}'': The entire cast consists of characters who engage in murder, blackmail, theft, and betrayal. James is capable of loyalty and basic kindness, but he's still a dangerous criminal himself. One of the few unambiguously good characters is George Chichester, since his only goal is getting justice for past crimes rather than any personal gain.
71	* ''Series/ThievesOfTheWood'' has a gang of robbers who make money from opium and prostitution versus an evil mayor who uses vagrants as slaves and invites the local aristocracy to pursue and rape girls on his estate.
72	* ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' and its film ''Film/InTheLoop'' both have this view on the morality of humanity and the political workplace. Here, ''no'' character is without his or her flaws, and are all varying degrees of moronic, cowardly, backstabbing, manipulative, or just generally unpleasant bastards in general, all more concerned with keeping their jobs than with doing the right thing.
73	* In ''Series/TrailerParkBoys'', the [[VillainProtagonist heroes]] are criminals, but the law is INSANE and the citizens are apathetic.
74	* The British miniseries ''Series/Ultraviolet1998''. On one side is a cabal of vampires who plot to enslave humanity in order to save us from ourselves (thus insuring their food supply). On the other is a shadowy government organization that answers to no one and follows a very end-justifies-the-means kind of program.
75	* Anything involving Marlo Stanfield in ''Series/TheWire'', which eventually results into two mostly good cops faking murders in order to bring him down.

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