"DBZ is only better than Naruto if you don't take it seriously." I'd like you to elaborate on this.
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Flameboy12th:
DBZ becomes infinitely better once you DON'T take it seriously. The dialogue is so horrendous sometimes that I can only see it as a comedy/action manga. Some of its funniest moments come unintentionally: Ex: "It's gonna destroy the Earth.", ridiculous dialogue, how retarded some of the characters can be (sorry but Goku wants to fight the androids head on (for the sake of having a good fight) instead of going back in time and destroying them with the dragon balls ({{Lampshaded by Krillin of all people) then he's beyond stupid)
Plus, the fast fighting animation (the one that the repeatedly use. You know what I'm talking about...) is so goddamn hilarious and lazy that I just have to laugh.
Plus the plots are so stupid that I find it VERY hard to care about these characters to a point where I was just like FUCK IT! And I started to laugh at how stupid this show is.
So yeah, if you don't take DBZ seriously you'll get a few laughs. If you do, you'll feel very disappointed that the series that practically created the Shonen Tropes is absolute garbage.
Can't say I dissagree with Ryochi. I despise DBZ popularity as the best thing ever, only because it was the only fighting show in the 90. Ok, sure, but now we have like, a thousand series you can watch on the internet, and a lot of them have a better plot.
Oh, and with Naruto, My review is this: OH MY GOD MAKE IT STOP. The broken aesops, the bullshit power levels, this SERIES JUST SUCKS NOW.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
- only because it was the only fighting show in the 90
er...no, it wasn't. Not to mention that DBZ is regarded as a classic, creator or popularizer of many troupes, which is taken into account when addressing all older pieces of work, not that it has better plot, characters, etc. than more modern series.
Tomodachi:
I'm pretty sure there were other fighting shows but yes there are A LOT of other series I would rather watch than DBZ.
For Naruto: Broken Aesops: Yup. Bullshit Power Levels: SUMMONING METEORS?!!
And yes, it really does suck and I personally think that it is currently the worst out of the Big 3 with all the bullshit it pulls.
I personally do not care if you popularized many tropes. If people feel that your series sucks. Then it sucks. This is just how I feel. If you like it then its ok. But I refuse to get into a piece of work simply because its popular.
- If people feel that your series sucks. Then it sucks
I'm sorry o.0? then literally everything sucks.
- But I refuse to get into a piece of work simply because its popular
Aaaaaand now you're arguing alone, great.
ps. why are you addressing this so personally? as well as...you know...arguing alone.
marcellX:
If people feel that your series sucks. Then it sucks
"I'm sorry o.0? then literally everything sucks."
- Shit. I actually meant to put "I" not "people". You're right about that.
But I refuse to get into a piece of work simply because its popular
"Aaaaaand now you're arguing alone, great."
-It's amazing how many people cannot read on this site. If above you I put your username, then I am referring to YOU not myself. And your sarcasm needs work.
"ps. why are you addressing this so personally? as well as...you know...arguing alone."
- If I am commenting or reading a comment on somebody's opinion. THEN I SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE PERSON'S THOUGHTS ON WHATEVER THEY ARE COMMENTING ON. That is the whole point of commenting in the first place. Otherwise, I might as well be reading a book about people's opinions and not be able to express my positive or negative thoughts towards the person who made the opinion in the first place.
"as well as...you know...arguing alone."
Hilarious. I am rolling on the floor with laughter. You're killing me now. Is this the response you expected? If you're going to use a joke twice then make sure it isn't broken (broken because I am clearly referring to you).
Here's the complete exchange
- But I refuse to get into a piece of work simply because its popular
No one ever said anything about liking something just because it's popular, hence, you're reponding to what exactly, and given that you've said "many people" I'm inclined to believe 2 things, 1 this happens to you often and 2 instead of maybe doubting if you're the one doing something odd (given that you're the repeating factor) you've chosen to instead blame it on everyone else.
And I dunno if my sarcasm needs works, since I wasn't being sarcastic anywhere on that exchange...see what I'm talking about arguing alone.
I'm referring to using "you" as referring to me personally instead of in general, since that's the context of my exchange with Tomadachi is, and again, the whole talking about things out of the blue, like the whole if you like it's ok but I don't so accept it exchange, when the conversation wasn't nowhere there, or even about you for that matter.
sarcasm and now jokes, you sure like to assume my friend.
Naruto started in 1997.
Hunter X Hunter started in 1998. Kinda hard to rip of something that came later.
Unless you include the pilot chapter, Naruto started in '99. And I'm not sure why you would include the pilot chapter, since Ryochi cites part 1 specifically.
It's the most obvious during the Forest of Death and Chunnin Exams arc.
Scarlet Eyes=Sharningan Hisoka=Orochimaru Sasuke=Mix of Kurapika and Killua
and that's only a bit of it.
"Aaaaaand now you're arguing alone, great."
-The "Great" part of that sentence is obviously sarcasm. Intentionally or not.
"1 this happens to you often"
-believe it or not it does when I give such clear warnings
"2 instead of maybe doubting if you're the one doing something odd (given that you're the repeating factor) you've chosen to instead blame it on everyone else."
- "It's amazing how many people cannot read on this site."
"I did not say anywhere that I was blaming everyone on this site for not being able to read. That's where you're wrong sir. I'm referring to using "you" as referring to me personally instead of in general, since that's the context of my exchange with Tomadachi is, and again, the whole talking about things out of the blue, like the whole if you like it's ok but I don't so accept it exchange, when the conversation wasn't nowhere there, or even about you for that matter."
- I just felt like sharing my thoughts. Plus I brought up the DBZ thing in the first place anyways so yeah. I kinda have a small part in this conversation.
""you" as referring to me personally instead of in general"
-.......whooops.......should have said "a series" instead of "you"
"sarcasm and now jokes, you sure like to assume my friend."
- Sarcasm is a form of joking. And no, I do not assume painfully obvious things.
MFM:
"Unless you include the pilot chapter, Naruto started in '99. And I'm not sure why you would include the pilot chapter, since Ryochi cites part 1 specifically."
-Exactly.
- It's the most obvious during the Forest of Death and Chunnin Exams arc.
A test about a battle royal in a forest where you needed to defeat opponents until you did the correct one
- Scarlet Eyes=Sharningan
Even more than that, a pretty main protagonist bent on revenge for the death his clan, who's eyes turn red.
- The "Great" part of that sentence is obviously sarcasm. Intentionally or not.
Not really, I sometimes find things like that 8 replies into the conversation, so it's nice when I found out so soon.
- I did not say anywhere that I was blaming everyone on this site for not being able to read. That's where you're wrong sir.
I didn't said you "everyone on this site", just everyone of the, and I quote "many people" who's that happen with, specially given than in this conversation alone you yourself have admitted of making several mistakes.
- I just felt like sharing my thoughts. Plus I brought up the DBZ thing in the first place anyways so yeah. I kinda have a small part in this conversation.
But the subject was that it wasn't part of the conversation, it was in a general context, I hadn't even said I liked DBZ yet you brought it to the more personal, "you" like it, "I" don't, etc. context, which you yourself admitted so I don't see the issue of calling you out, it wasn't part of the argument.
- Sarcasm is a form of joking
sarcasm "can" be a form of joking, but surely not exclusively, you "assumed" I was joking since I wasn't, hell I wasn't even being sarcastic to begin with.
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Fanbase and Expanded thoughts on naruto with latest revalations...
Expanded thoughts: Kakashi vs Obito once again shows how the series would have been much better had it focused on these two characters instead of Sasuke and Naruto's completely retarded relationship.
Sasuke wanting to be hokage? Clearly not the most retarded bullshit I have ever heard and doesn't contradict the story at all. And he wants to kill the Kages while they are trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi and become the High Kage or whatever? Riveting.
Sakura's still fawning over Sasuke? Great. Just great.
Madara, while not the most overpowered manga character, has one of the highest power gaps I have ever seen in an anime/manga series. Seriously, SUMMONING METEORS?!!! That is a huge Plot Hole right there, why doesn't he just spam meteors and just win the war right there?
I currently feel that Naruto is the worst out of the Big 3 with all the recent bullshit going on. It used to be Bleach but hey, at least it doesn't pull this garbage.
Fanbase: They are fine but only if you ignore the retards that seriously believe that Naruto can take down Goku. Because a ninja in an orange jumpsuit can clearly take on someone who can destroy planets. Whatever. DBZ is only better than Naruto if you don't take it seriously.
And some of them just eat up Kishimoto's garbage, I saw one review that said that Sasuke says he wants to become Hokage because he realizes his purpose to change the world after being lost in his desires. What. This is some of the most pretentious bullshit I have ever heard. The entire second half of Naruto is full of Sasuke doing stupid things for stupid reasons.
1. Wanting to destroy Konoha when that is what his brother was protecting. He claims to care about his brother.
2. Wanting to become Hokage. He thinks that a freaking terrorist can just ask to become Hokage.
And too many others to mention. Don't even get me started on Naruto and his sentimental bullshit.
Other thoughts: Oh and one more thing about Part 1 of Naruto, some parts were completely ripped off from another anime called Hunter x Hunter. Give that a watch instead instead of this. Hell, you want to see elements? Go watch Avatar (both series). Want ninjas? Go watch TMNT. Want an story with a huge scale and stakes? Go watch Fullmetal Alchemist.
Sorry about the rant but this is my current opinion.