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erforce
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03:22:07 AM Jul 14th 2012
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topic 10:58:55 PM Feb 20th 2011 edited by Deep C What if Batty Koda was a parody of radical misanthropes? Considering how much he hates human beings.

[open/close replies] Gold Dawn topic 07:16:00 AM May 15th 2010 Why is Avatar called Ferngully Recycled in Space? No, Avatar isn't extremely original, but I'd say it was based on the American West, not the Australian Jungle. 94.0.168.227 01:12:47 PM May 25th 2010 Well, the setting of Pandora is a forest, not a desert frontier. And I guess maybe similarities between Jake Sully and Zak as Mighty Whiteys and fairies=Na'vi? I really don't know, I'm only guessing. And there was some similarity, at least thematically, between the deforestation and the ambush of Home Tree by the Colonel.

...despite all this, I actually kind of like Avatar. Go figure. Rebochan 02:52:50 PM May 25th 2010 Laziness. "Oh my god, it's a film about the environment! That means it's FERNGULLY!" Usually followed by whining about how burning things down is good for capitalism or something. Unfortunately, a lot of the Fern Gully hate is not for the failure of its environmental message (and oh yes, it's a failure all right), but for having one at all.

It's like the really stupid "Avatar is POCAHONTAS!" meme. Based entirely on "OH MY GOD! It's got natives in it! It must be EXACTLY ripping off another film that has natives in it!"

For the love of crap people, at least the "Dances with Smurfs" meme had some damn MERIT.

94.0.168.227 03:18:52 PM May 25th 2010 Side-question: Apart from being blue, why are the Na'vi called Smurfs? Rebochan 06:59:46 PM May 25th 2010 That's the only reason, actually. Will Draco 08:59:50 PM Sep 7th 2011 edited by Will Draco Well, let's take the elements one-by-one:

1. Non-human natives with a psychic connection to their environment and pointy ears? Check.

2. Male Human, Caucasian, American protagonist temporarily transformed to resemble the natives? Check.

3. Female non-human native love interest for the protagonist? Check.

4. Love interest saves the protagonist from being eaten? Check.

5. Love interest has a native suitor jealous of the protagonist, wanting him killed or expelled? Check.

6. Humans bent on financial gain through harvesting natural resources that the natives happen to be living in or on? Check.

7. Adversary with a pathological hatred for the natives, hoping to wipe them all out? Check.

8. Human protagonist learns about what the natives value and comes to respect it enough to attempt to stop his employers? Check.

9. Environment assists the natives in defeating their adversary? Check.

10. Anvilicious environmental message? Check.

11. Glowing fungi? Check.

Don't get me wrong, there are differences, but I think they stem mostly from the age groups they were intended for. I'm convinced if Avatar was made for children it would look just like a big budget Ferngully IN SPACE, and a Ferngully geared towards adults would be just like a low-budget Avatar ON EARTH.
Telcontar
04:51:25 AM Jul 14th 2012
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DeepC
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10:58:55 PM Feb 20th 2011
edited by DeepC
What if Batty Koda was a parody of radical misanthropes? Considering how much he hates human beings.
GoldDawn
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07:16:00 AM May 15th 2010
Why is Avatar called Ferngully Recycled in Space? No, Avatar isn't extremely original, but I'd say it was based on the American West, not the Australian Jungle.
94.0.168.227
01:12:47 PM May 25th 2010
Well, the setting of Pandora is a forest, not a desert frontier. And I guess maybe similarities between Jake Sully and Zak as Mighty Whiteys and fairies=Na'vi? I really don't know, I'm only guessing. And there was some similarity, at least thematically, between the deforestation and the ambush of Home Tree by the Colonel.

...despite all this, I actually kind of like Avatar. Go figure.
Rebochan
02:52:50 PM May 25th 2010
Laziness. "Oh my god, it's a film about the environment! That means it's FERNGULLY!" Usually followed by whining about how burning things down is good for capitalism or something. Unfortunately, a lot of the FernGully hate is not for the failure of its environmental message (and oh yes, it's a failure all right), but for having one at all.

It's like the really stupid "Avatar is POCAHONTAS!" meme. Based entirely on "OH MY GOD! It's got natives in it! It must be EXACTLY ripping off another film that has natives in it!"

For the love of crap people, at least the "Dances with Smurfs" meme had some damn MERIT.

94.0.168.227
03:18:52 PM May 25th 2010
Side-question: Apart from being blue, why are the Na'vi called Smurfs?
Rebochan
06:59:46 PM May 25th 2010
That's the only reason, actually.
WillDraco
08:59:50 PM Sep 7th 2011
edited by WillDraco
Well, let's take the elements one-by-one:

1. Non-human natives with a psychic connection to their environment and pointy ears? Check.

2. Male Human, Caucasian, American protagonist temporarily transformed to resemble the natives? Check.

3. Female non-human native love interest for the protagonist? Check.

4. Love interest saves the protagonist from being eaten? Check.

5. Love interest has a native suitor jealous of the protagonist, wanting him killed or expelled? Check.

6. Humans bent on financial gain through harvesting natural resources that the natives happen to be living in or on? Check.

7. Adversary with a pathological hatred for the natives, hoping to wipe them all out? Check.

8. Human protagonist learns about what the natives value and comes to respect it enough to attempt to stop his employers? Check.

9. Environment assists the natives in defeating their adversary? Check.

10. Anvilicious environmental message? Check.

11. Glowing fungi? Check.

Don't get me wrong, there are differences, but I think they stem mostly from the age groups they were intended for. I'm convinced if Avatar was made for children it would look just like a big budget Ferngully IN SPACE, and a Ferngully geared towards adults would be just like a low-budget Avatar ON EARTH.
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