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So, this was re-added to the main page:
- Five-Man Band: Come Season 3, an evil version with Carmilla and her council plus Hector.
- The Big Bad: Carmilla, stated to be their driving force and the one who comes up with their "schemes."
- The Dragon: As a Devil Forgemaster who would make the army Carmilla needs to enact her scheme, Hector fits in this role, and the bulk of his story in Season 3 is about them getting him in it. The bulk of his arc in Season 4 is him setting up to Starscream her.
- The Evil Genius: Morana, who handles all the finances and administration for their kingdom.
- The Brute: Striga, a gigantic Brawn Hilda vampire, the warrior and leader of Carmilla's armies.
- The Dark Chick: Lenore. She calls herself the diplomat, and it's her cunning and social skills that finally manipulate Hector to their cause. She even invokes High-Heel–Face Turn to finish cementing her control over Hector.
Unfortunately, it’s a major violation of an Example Indentation rule: "Subtropes should not be listed in sub-bullets beneath their parent tropes." Not to mention that characterization tropes should go on the character page.
Should we put it back in or leave it out?
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This is how Five-Man Band, The Team, Command Roster, and a few other tropes are formatted all over the wiki, it's consistent with how it's done everywhere else, so should not be getting cut under indentation. And the tropes fit the characters, even it reverses the normal gender ratio of the Five-Man Band, The Chick is still a chick.
I think it should stay.
Still, the Example Indentation rules apply to all sub-tropes and super-tropes in any case, thuse they should be separated.
Edited by gjjones He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Look at the pages for the tropes in question. Look at the work pages that include those tropes. They're all formatted the exact same way.
Still, that's against the rules. There's also a dedicated Five-Man Band cleanup thread here
if you are interested.
^^ Example Indentation in Trope Lists literally uses Five-Man Band as its example for the "don't group subtropes under supertropes" rule.
Edited by wingedcatgirl Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
Also, wouldn't the trope the original poster should be using be Psycho Rangers since Five-Man Band is about heroes not villains.
I initially put it under Psycho Rangers, and it got deleted since Psycho Rangers is basically Evil Counterpart as a group.
Five-Man Band is being a troublesome trope, the "Wrong" example in Example Indention is pretty clearly itself wrong, since that format is used everywhere, no one's fixing it, and there's discussions on that page about it not being correct since it's used for a number of different team-related tropes. Five-Man Band specifically has a lot of drama around it from a conflict of strict versus loose interpretation, if the trope is flexible and can be applied to groups of five that don't fit extremely stringent requirements (The Chick MUST be female, she cannot be a he and The Heart), if it can be applied to villains (there was a Five-Bad Band that was cut for misuse). I personally think it should be a bit looser, but I'm not dipping my toe into that craziness.
In the case of Carmilla and her group, the characters fit easily into the evil versions of the tropes that make up the Five-Man Band. The only one that might be a stretch is Hector as The Dragon, but that fits in his role as the man literally making Carmilla's army (and, come season 4, trying to Starscream her, as many a good Dragon are wont to do).
Hector as The Dragon is a comical shoehorn.
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^ Exactly. The obvious tell here is the blatant attempt to fit Hector into the group through inapplicable means. The reason to do so is clear: without Hector, there are only four characters and the example fails to meet the bare-minimum requirement. Putting it as politely as I can, all of this seems to stem from an overeagerness to find a trope where there isn't one (as the wiki defines it), rather than just accept that there isn't one (as this wiki defines it).
Moreover, it seems an attempt to work around the fact Five Bad Band was cut due to... not actually being a thing. Nubian's point about "finding a trope where there isn't one" is tremendously relevant here.
Hector has been brought into the group (granted, against his will) by the time we meet the other three. Thus, from the time the audience is introduced to the group, there are five members. All of them save Hector slot quite obviously into Five-Man Band tropes. Hector isn't your traditional Dragon, but he is the key to the military might that will let Carmilla enact her plan. Not much different to Darth Vader being supreme commander of the Empire's military, enforcing the Emperor's will with his troops. Thus, Hector being Carmilla's Dragon is only a slight stretch of what The Dragon is.
Five Bad Band was cut, to my understanding, due to misuse, with staggeringly few examples that actually fit. This is a pretty clear example of five characters who work the evil versions of the tropes of the Five-Man Band. How does that possibly not fit?
Hector is not "part of the group". The Sisters never refer to him as part of their merry band—he's just a tool. You don't call 4 guys plus the Hero's sword a "Five-Man Band". Trying to shoehorn him as being part of their group is just insincere.
"Hector isn't your traditional Dragon" — Hector isn't ANY kind of Dragon. He's the pet of one of the Council, and even then, Lenore is considered the most useless of them. Comparing him to Darth Vader is, again, extremely insincere. You might as well call Vader's Lightsaber the Dragon.
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Someone has listed Sypha's account of the Tower of Babel story as Sadly Mythtaken. Yet what Sypha says (God confused languages to stop humans from cooperating) is exactly what the the Biblical story says, with God stating this purpose in his own words:
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
There's nothing "mythtaken" about Sypha's account, therefore I think the entry should be deleted.
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Sounds fine to me. But wait a bit to see if there's a counterargument.
I'll give it a couple of days. If nobody objects, I'll proceed to delete the entry.
... wait, what does the entry think the Tower of Babel is about?
The entry doesn't even say what's supposedly wrong.
Just cut away. Technically it's a ZCE.
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On the plus side, this gives us an entry for Aluminum Christmas Trees
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Is there any particular reason why https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArchnemesisDad
has no entry here? I don't want to just assume, since I have no experience with editing on tvtropes (though I have some wikipedia experience). Castlevania 2017 is also not used as an example on the trope's page, though the games are.
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