09:27:19 AM Jun 4th 2016
What's with all the defense of Talarist on these pages? He wants Elodie's title, and if he gets engaged to her, Adair doesn't get assassinated and he sends Elodie out to play while he gets involved in Novan politics. There's no "maybe" about it. He may have been too young for the other attacks Sedna was involved in, but he's very clearly in charge of the ones we actually see in game.
12:17:32 AM Jun 13th 2016
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Talarist is a very polarizing figure in the fanbase - either a Base Breaker or a borderline case of it. People can get pretty worked up over how they see him - either against him or in defense of him. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm trying to cover all the bases of how he can be seen and both his inarguable good and bad qualities to avoid an Edit War. That's literally all. If you're curious: yes, I do think he kills Adair; no, I don't think he's a particularly great person (and the Dummied Out ending where he dumps an infertile Elodie for his pregnant mistress really does not do him any favors). And all the positive interpretations of Talarist that I've listed here are ones I have seen.
06:01:03 PM Dec 2nd 2016
Tardy to the party on the response here, but the main thing is that there's no ambiguity on his responsibility for Adair's death and his real motives in pursuing Elodie's hand in marriage. Some people may choose to ignore the facts, but in the game itself, there's no interpretation involved. He is directly responsible for those events, we know because he reacts poorly to them if they don't work out in his favor. Whether he's nice or can grow to be a better person in his good ending with Elodie is a matter of his opinion, but that's irrelevant to his actual role and actions in the plot. It's not really covering both bases equally if one side is based on facts and the other side is Draco in Leather Pants. We have an entire Alternative Character Interpretation page for that.
11:51:21 AM Jul 24th 2014
Something of a mea culpa, since I added it here, but so have others - is there actually an ending where a cruel Elodie regrets killing her friends and family and grows up depressed and alone? I've only ever seen Elodie greatly enjoy being a sadist.
09:09:17 AM Jun 4th 2016
Yes. You can end up with your family dead without racking up Cruelty.
10:04:09 PM Jun 23rd 2016
I've looked through the game script and there's no ending where a cruel Elodie shows regret for killing off her family. There's a specific ending where she throws herself into religion if she has high Faith and Joslyn is killed, and a couple of slides talking about the aftermath of the rebellion in Merva, but otherwise it's the standard "Elodies' rise to power made her a cruel woman" epilogue.
07:59:16 PM Jun 3rd 2014
10:57:27 PM Jun 3rd 2014
If this is over what I think it's over, then rewriting as something along the lines of "Elodie can send assassins to kill a powerful and unruly noble so as to prevent the deaths of thousands of people in a civil war" would convey the essence of the trope well enough without the need for spoiler tagging of any sort. That said, I don't think the example in question is a particularly egregious case of unnecessary spoilering. I wouldn't have any qualms with how it's written either way.
02:55:38 AM Jun 4th 2014
- One way to appease Ixion is to execute the noble responsible for the problem with them.
- One of the ways of appeasing Ixion is executing Brin.
- Elodie can prevent a civil war at one point by having a traitor poisoned.
- Elodie can send an assassin to take out Arisse, should she either screw things up with the nobles or unwittingly help cause the death of Adair and receive reports that Arisse is attempting to start a civil war.
12:29:54 PM Jun 4th 2014
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I think being specific is better in this case, since there are other spoilers in that entry.
04:39:29 PM Jun 4th 2014
You mean the bare fact that a civil war is possible/there are problems with Ixion? Or the whole Shoot the Dog entry? The first is not much of a spoiler. The second, I think, is irrelevant; we spoiler-tag Lucille-related stuff because Lucille's role in everything is a huge secret, but we don't have to be specific about "problems with Ixion" or "a possible civil war."
11:29:24 PM Jan 13th 2014
I personally think that the intro worked better with the ellipses than it does cut down for conciseness. It made it clearer that the whole art style and apparent premise are setting you up for a huge Mood Whiplash.
07:11:28 PM Nov 15th 2013
I am attempting to compile a slightly more coherent guide to the game because the wiki is a bit disorganized, but it would help if there was a save editor for altering skills as needed. Anyone know either where the save files are located in the Steam Folder or know a modding software specifically for L Lt Q?
12:46:34 PM Nov 16th 2013
There's a debug console in the game which can be used to input cheat codes. official instructions here: http://hanakoforum.nfshost.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1691 for the steam save files, probably better to ask in the steam forums?
11:38:59 AM Jun 6th 2013
- No matter what you do, Charlotte always gets the short end of the prejudice stick for being a Lumen - even if Elodie fully embraced the Lumen crystal.
04:11:13 AM Jun 8th 2013
Probably the latter. (I must ask how, though, since even winning the duel with magic somehow turned everyone against her.)
11:32:57 AM Jun 8th 2013
How people react to Julianna (and Lumens in general) seems to depend on people's public opinion of Elodie in general as well as whether or not she defeats Togami with magic.
12:05:32 PM Jun 8th 2013
I think you have to avoid the problem with the guy on trial for murder, because if it goes wrong it starts a rumor about an evil Lumen conspiracy.