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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
May 1st 2021 at 5:44:21 AM •••

Removed from main page, as there is a cleanup effort on one of the pages linked here underway and I am not sure what to do with this entry:

  • Jail Bait: Subverted in "It's The Great Pumpkin Sam Winchester" when one of the deaths occurs at a teenage Halloween party. When Dean volunteers to interview an attractive female witness, Sam warns his brother "two words: jail bait", which Dean takes offense to. It's later revealed that not only did she cause the deaths, but she's actually a centuries-old witch.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
Mar 30th 2014 at 3:25:22 AM •••

Moved this here:

  • Even Evil Has Standards:
    • Lucifer is an arrogant sociopath who despises both humans for being murderous creatures who ruined planet Earth and replaced him in his Father's eyes. Yet he considers the pagan gods worse since they are just as petty and treacherous as humans and only as powerful as regular monsters and far weaker than Archangels and even regular angels, yet dare claim to be gods equal to Lucifer's father. Lucifer is arrogant, but he has never claimed to be a god despite the demons seeing him as one.

It's quite doubtful that this can be called a genuine moral standard. Lucifer is a raging egotist whose claims to finding humans so evil and loving God and his brothers before anything (he loves himself much more) are all disproven in the show. He's a genocidal maniac because he sees himself as the pinnacle of perfection and the pagan gods as abominations beneath him, not because he'd never stoop to their level of evil or arrogance.

Edited by 86.93.11.210 You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Allan53 Since: Nov, 2010
Mar 1st 2013 at 1:41:07 AM •••

I always thought the "Michael and Lucifer" bit mentioned in the Form You Are Comfortable With trope was part of the whole 'free will' angle: the Apocalypse started because Dean made a choice, the final seal was broken because Sam made a choice, and it's been shown again and again the angels need consent (ie a choice) in order to take a vessel (and now I think about it, have we ever seen an angel significantly affect the world without taking a vessel? Only example that comes to mind is Nicks hallucinations while Lucifer was trying to convince him to say yes). Given all that, it makes sense that the final choice (ie Sam and Dean saying yes) is required for the Apocalypse to properly begin.

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