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Well, if you wanna argue that the film is sexist, you'll have to be thorough about it. The only thing I've seen you write is red herrings about Daisy's evilness and trying to divert the discussion towards the monstrousness of the other characters, as well as gigantic double standards in how you assess every character's morality (what's telling you that all the characters aren't just super nice and awesome people who just like having long, running jokes about what a bunch of iredeemable bastards they are ? That's right, nothing. Yet you only apply this logic to Daisy.)
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
well you have just indited the nightmare passage
you tell me that "Well, TV Tropes concerns itself primarily with tropes. Reviewing is not part of our scope."
and yet you defend the nightmare passage when it is clearly POV not neutral and totally interpretative and full of opinion and value judgments = reviewing IMHO
read it again - its not about any tropes
"While the film might well be sexist at times, most of it is directed towards Daisy Domergue, and boy, oh boy, is she monstrous. Her relatively innocuous expression on the ensemble poster belies how rotten she is. A twisted, murderous, feral hag with a mean racist streak and she's full of danger. When her accomplice poisons the coffee to bump off her captor, she grins evilly, and doesn't tell the driver nor the sheriff that they're about to drink it to (Chris just barely avoids doing so himself). Then, when John shatters her teeth and vomits blood all over her as his dying act, her face and mouth look almost hypnotically bestial for the remainder of the film."
Yes, you can remove that as well. And I am not "defending" anything, dude.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Daisy is not monstrous - this is a very simplistic way of viewing the film and the abuse heaped upon her feels unjustified - the nightmare fuel is the intensely superficial ans sexist thinking that this film reveals amongst those who comment upon it
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Daisy manages to stand out as particularly nasty even among a cast in which no one is completely free of villainous traits. It is not superficial or sexist to recognize this. Sure, you can debate her actions in the context of being a desperate prisoner being taken to her place of death and you can argue about the meaning of the amount of violence that stacks up against her. None of that changes the fact that she is a member of an infamous criminal gang and even if you take the position that everything every character says is a lie, what we observe directly of her behavior is viciousness and pettiness at every opportunity.
That said, you just made a pretty direct personal attack on the editor who wrote that NF entry. You did not support your inflammatory remarks with any evidence, so I invite you to elaborate on your position.
"A twisted, murderous, feral hag with a mean racist streak and she's full of danger" - this description is not neutral but full of POV and I think some of this should be toned down into something that just outlines what happens - well she is actually chained and beaten for most of the film - warren takes away her pistol and the handcuff key - she has no agency except to make verbal threats that are not believed - Jody wants to rescue his sister and will take any measure to do so - and she is finally killed in a scene that is gratuitously violent and the New York Times describes as near pornographic - I would also say that there is a series of "facials" especially the vomit scene - I think there is also a degree of irresponsibility throughout the whole of the Hateful eight commentary - which I do not see elsewhere in this wikia - where most of the films seemed to be written about in a fairly accurate manner - things such as describing Ruth as awesome for beating Daisy as he dies - especially when there are many reviews out there on the internet that actually criticise much of the treatment of Daisy - BTW does any one edit/audit these descriptions ? There are people writing here onthese pages who are taking quite questionable material very much for granted - I think there should be a lot more re-editing and analysis of much of what has been written here - or at least more attention paid to alternative views
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" viciousness and pettiness at every opportunity?"
how - I've seen the film several times and fail to see that she is worse than the men
all this Daisy is evil stuff is arbitrary and superficial and never given any detailed analysis
what about Major warren - vindictive, twisted and hiding his crimes and duplicity behind being a black man facing down America - he is a very despicable character
Daisy is not monstrous - this is a very simplistic way of viewing the film and the abuse heaped upon her feels unjustified - the nightmare fuel is the intensely superficial ans sexist thinking that this film reveals amongst those who comment upon it
I would suggest the film is extremely sexist and many reviews/reviewers say this - and it is naive and superficial - and misleading in what should be an informative source not to acknowledge the fact that there are dissenting view around the film and present only one POV as you do here
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