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08:30:43 AM Feb 7th 2015
Is this trope intended to be self demonstrating? Parts of it seem to be purposefully white knighting the white knighting.

Is this actually a trope? Isn't it more of a phenomenon?
12:48:39 PM Feb 27th 2015
Agreed. In particular, the following statement:

"Though the accuser is most commonly a Troll, and a misogynist troll at that who mostly has a relationship with a girl (it is very common for a misogynist troll to let a girl do the talking for him)"

This reeks of bias and stands out as being inappropriate for an informative tvtropes page. The very page itself criticizes White Knighting as a form of ad hominem attack, while characterizing users of the phrase as misogynist trolls who let girls do the talking for them.

This is unnecessary (let people come to their own conclusions about the validity of the phrase) and it discredits the page. Nobody is going to look at that statement and think "oh, so misogynist trolls use this phrase." They're going to look at it and think "Whoa, whoever wrote this has a serious personal problem with the phrase; I'd better find my information elsewhere."
01:33:50 PM Feb 27th 2015
... holy crap, that's an awful, awful sentence. That absolutely needs to go.
08:11:29 AM Jul 21st 2015
I wonder who wrote that to begin with. Who uses words like "misogynist" frequently and has a victim complex while spouting inappropriate misinformation in places it doesn't belong? They may forever remain in mystery, let's just hope it's only one person and not an entire group sharing their mentality.

This article is still in heavy need of TLC, it has so many implications of white knighting not being a genuine thing which happens. I'm not entirely sure it's even a trope, this is something you see more in real life and not in fiction.
10:08:35 AM Jul 21st 2015
Please, feel free to contribute to the Trope Repair Shop topic. The link is at the top of this page.
12:33:09 PM Sep 15th 2013
I hate this trope because to me it should only be provable for telepaths or in fiction

Talking about it in real life or message boards is totally unprovable
01:42:12 PM Nov 27th 2013
Not entirely. I've seen cases where a person reversed their own position to defend another. And others where the defense in and of itself was so patronizing it was white knighting simultaneously with damning with faint praise. Plus, the trope is largely about it's use as an ad hominem defense tactic by trolls and misogynists.
11:28:14 PM Jan 20th 2014
And why is it largely about false accusation exactly? It's a real phenomenon, so why the bias? There's not an unbiased version on T Vtropes, so shouldn't the only trope be neutral?
10:33:36 PM Apr 14th 2012
edited by Stoogebie
I think I'm actually doing this right now, (at least with the 'trying to defend someone who is beyond saving' part), but whether I get accused of this or not, I don't really care. Granted, the supposed dynamics in gender associated with this trope are inverted, in my case, but nonetheless.
07:47:40 AM Jul 5th 2011
"Please note, however, that a person who is being genuinely kind without expecting to curry favor of any kind is not White Knighting."

So how does one distinguish one from the other? Short of being the person accused of it. Or a telepath.
08:18:32 PM Jun 21st 2010
I needed a term for this. Thank you TV Tropes.

Off to Linkara's forum. I have a term to use (Okay so I'm sure he's heard it before but hey.)

I like Linkara but he is a very broadly applied version of this trope.
10:21:14 PM May 30th 2010
"Grain of truth?" Honestly, most of the time this accusation seems grounded in a "bros before hos" mentality, and truth doesn't matter. Note that the accusation, and the particular terminology, is used by the troll, not by the person who the troll is claiming is being insulted by this.
08:42:54 AM May 31st 2010
edited by Rothul
True, but I think we're remiss if we don't point out the tendency of forum-goers to defend the "honor" of females as opposed to males in a sort of There Are No Girls on the Internet sort of vein. Plus, I don't think one needs to be a Troll to make an accusation of White Knighting. I've changed the wording to make that a little clear.
06:58:48 AM Jun 1st 2010
I think we're feeding the derailing tactic if we act like this is a legitimate criticism rather than just an attempt to invoke "bros before hos" to silence detractors.
11:30:54 PM Jan 20th 2014
If it's accurate, it's not derailing. You're the denialist in spite of any accuracy. Why would the dogmatist get the right of way here? And please don't pull the obvious gendered victim card. I'd rather not have white knights in here of all places. The irony wouldn't even be funny anymore.
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