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Mar 22nd 2021 at 9:03:23 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename and clean-up? (Crowner swapped Aug.25), started by MagBas on Jul 13th 2011 at 2:55:39 PM

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praveenvijay83 Praveen Since: Nov, 2019
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Aug 15th 2020 at 1:51:20 AM •••

Would Norman Mc Cay from DC Comics's Kingdom Come (1996) be considered a Supporting Protagonist? The story's protagonist is Superman, but the events are told from his point of view (courtesy of The Spectre).

blueflame724 Since: May, 2010
May 28th 2016 at 10:48:07 PM •••

Okay it's been a few years, and I still think this trope often doesn't make much sense in terms of its description. The hero and/or protagonist is not the focus of the series...what does this even mean?

By tv tropes definition, the protagonist is the person who the story is about. So that sounds like the person that's being focused on. Muddling this up even more is the fact that some of the entries bring up "the true protagonist of the piece" and then the Supporting Protagonist.

If the Supporting Protagonist is "a" main character, then this makes sense.

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blueflame724 Since: May, 2010
May 28th 2016 at 11:03:19 PM •••

Speaking of which, my comment from five years ago asks if the Supporting Protagonist is the main character or not, to which the response was "protagonist by definition means main character".

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praveenvijay83 Since: Nov, 2019
Aug 15th 2020 at 1:49:21 AM •••

First of all (you already know this), the Protagonist is the Main Character. To answer your question, the Supporting Protagonist is definitely a Main Character, but not in the sense that the story is about them. They're a Main Character in the sense that the entire story (or most of it) is told from their point of view.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
Apr 16th 2013 at 9:47:23 AM •••

Would Booker count? Based on what I've seen/read/heard, it sounds like Elizabeth is the true focus of the story.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 16th 2013 at 10:55:20 AM •••

Yes

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stickitin Since: Oct, 2011
Oct 2nd 2011 at 7:48:41 AM •••

do Judas out of Jesus Christ Superstar and Chris Thorndyke count as Supporting Protagonists

blueflame724 Since: May, 2010
Apr 8th 2011 at 11:54:09 PM •••

I'm a bit confused about the way this trope works? Is the supporting protagonist supposed to be the main character or not? Or are they just not the hero?

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Vilui Since: May, 2009
May 26th 2011 at 4:16:30 PM •••

The definition of "protagonist" is "main character".

MagBas Since: Jun, 2009
Jun 13th 2011 at 2:10:44 PM •••

Really, the definition of the own The Protagonist trope in this wiki is "main character"

piearty Hello world! Since: Oct, 2009
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Nov 6th 2010 at 2:34:40 PM •••

I'm both kind of happy that the technique I'm using in my story is a trope and dissapointed that the idea's not as original as I thought it was.

AlirozTheConfused Bibliophile. Since: May, 2010
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Sep 28th 2010 at 7:27:44 AM •••

The current Picture is Just A Face And A Caption.

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DragonQuestZ Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 28th 2010 at 2:05:25 PM •••

That's not automatically a bad thing. Some tropes cannot be shown with just a picture, especially characterization tropes (like The Lancer). That's why this picture is showing two people, so we know which is which.

If you can find a way to actually visualize being the hero vs the POV character, that's the only way to truly get a better picture.

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Seikai Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 7th 2010 at 11:54:39 AM •••

Seikai: Just something interesting I noticed, and thought might be worthy of discussion - a common defense for using a Supporting Protagonist is to give a unique, different Point of View to the story (just as the trope page says, and from what I see around). But at the same time, in countless "Common Mistakes in Writing Fiction" or "How to Write Good Fiction" books and articles, it's really common to see this as being something listed as a problem. For example, from an article I stumbled on: "The writer should stop and seriously think about why this character inhabits the novel in the first place. What is their role? Are they crucial to the story? [...]In that case, the writer needs to step back and rethink the entire novel. Four hundred pages devoted to a dull character no one will care about may be a signal that the story doesn't fit the character, or the character doesn't fit the story. Maybe the story belongs to the cop instead of the victim." And judging by how many of the characters listed here could also be found in the Protagonist Scrappy section, the advice might have at least some basis of truth to it...

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