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• Only until Queen Victoria weakened the Utopian faction by creating the New World Order.
  • The other Technocrats, however, don't like them either.
  • True. But one can argue that the Order of Reason/Technocracy began a downward spiral when it destroyed one of its founding coventions, the Craftmasons (one of whose members inspired the legend of Robin Hood, according to the oWOD timeline), when they decided to back the Digger's movement in the aftermath of the English Civil War. Granted, the Digger's ideology was just a form of early agarian communism, but still...

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• Wait, what makes the Void Engineers evil? This Troper hasn't played the game, and they just seem by the description to be alright guys.
  • They're not really evil, but as this troper always understood it, their explorations are basically attempting to redefine the Umbra as 'Outer Space' (suns, planets, etc.) instead of the current multiple layers of reality it is. Their complete success would probably be a fairly bad thing.
    • Also, a lot of them end up being driven mad by the creatures in the Umbra, or going Nephandi.
  • The Void Engineers are by a long way the nicest Convention in the Technocracy. While the rest of the Conventions want to control reality, the Engineers want the understand it. However, they still work for the Union and will do nasty things if asked to. They won't feel good about it, though. In at least one Time of Judgement scenario they dump the rest of the Union and go off to explore another universe, unbothered by Technocracy or Traditions.
  • There's no such thing as the 'nice' Convention or the 'evil' Convention; both have their share of Complete Monsters, Knight Templars, Well-Intentioned Extremists, and otherwise normal people: Recall that the spotlight character in the VE splatbook snapped from Deep Space exposure and allied with inhuman aliens from beyond the stars to sell out the Earth, while main characters from the other Convention-books truly strive to do good. They also have comparatively less contact with Sleepers and other mages (as opposed to the NWO's MiBs, the $yndicate screwing with your bank account, the inhuman It X cyborgs and the mutants of the Progs), and have a more flexible philosophy due to often being cut off or distant from the Union's resources. They've still got a LOT of grudges against people, though, including the other Conventions (who black-ball their petitions for more funding), the Traditionalists in general (neo-mystic primitives who unfairly traverse the Deep more easily), the Sons of Ether and Virtual Adepts in particular (traitors who abandoned both the Union and the Engineers, then became the competition), and the Sleepers (for living in relative peace while the Voids are fighting mind-numbing Things That Should Not Be in Deep Space). That's why they finally say 'Hell with it, you guys do whatever' and skip dimensions.

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