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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 20th 2021 at 9:49:05 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Misused, started by shimaspawn on Jul 28th 2015 at 5:30:32 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Peter34 Since: Sep, 2012
Apr 3rd 2013 at 11:47:05 AM •••

How come the Civilization series of computer games isn't mentioned, when it was almost certainly from there that Iain M. Banks got his inspiration for the concept?

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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
Apr 3rd 2013 at 11:57:18 AM •••

For what concept? What are you talking about?

Oh, the page quote? Why should it be mentioned? How is it "almost certainly" where he got the idea, when it's a historical fact?

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IndependentGeorge Since: Jul, 2013
Oct 31st 2013 at 1:36:38 PM •••

I can't say anything about Banks' quote, but this is a regular occurrence in 4X games like Civ. At normal difficulty levels, a good human player can blitzkrieg an isolated continent with dark-ages technology (literally sending in tanks and bombers against cities defended by pikemen). At higher difficulty levels, it's usually the player who has to face such obstacles because the computer is a cheating bastard.

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RTanker Since: Oct, 2010
Jan 8th 2011 at 11:59:04 PM •••

Cut this:

* The Germans in World War II for much of Europe, despite the fact that most of their technological innovations like the tank and the airplane were nothing new. It was just that no one had foreseen (well, no one who was taken seriously, at any rate) the sheer effectiveness of Blitzkrieg.
Because if this fits the trope, then everything fits the trope. The Germans, who had been living in central Europe for over a thousand years by that point, were not an Outside-Context Villain just because they had developed some new tactics.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 28th 2013 at 1:44:40 PM •••

I deleted the Harry Potter example for similar reasons.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 28th 2013 at 1:43:40 PM •••

  • While he is (arguably) a regular guy, Johann Liebert in Monster is so far above everyone else in cunning and knowledge that he doesn't fit in with the rest of the decidedly normal cast. Everyone is potentially a plaything for him to manipulate with total ease and kill off when he's done with them. Just being next to him causes major psychological damage if it he doesn't cause them to kill themselves first.

The boldfacing is mine, and this would be an example if it were literally true, which I highly doubt.

Naram-Sin Since: May, 2009
May 25th 2013 at 2:17:13 AM •••

No Real Life examples? There were many valid examples just before the whole folder was deleted? What's the point of this? This page's RL folder couldn't even be controversial.

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Jzadek Since: Mar, 2010
May 25th 2013 at 4:29:06 AM •••

Yeah, it seemed weird to me, too. There's a few examples from history which fit this perfectly - the Spanish invasion of South America, for instance, and the Mongols in Russia and Eastern Europe. I don't think it's controversial to say that the people that they were *destroying* believed them to be villains, and as long as that was specified I don't see a problem.

Fett Since: Jun, 2010
Feb 3rd 2013 at 1:16:53 PM •••

I changed the laconic page. just so ya'll know

captainmarkle LimitedPatients Since: Feb, 2011
LimitedPatients
Dec 20th 2012 at 9:15:47 AM •••

Is this trope a good thing or a bad thing?

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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
illegalcheese X-14: Killer Cheese Since: Apr, 2010
X-14: Killer Cheese
Dec 15th 2012 at 2:13:10 AM •••

So what's the word on heroic examples? Obviously, different connotations, but the spirit of the trope could still be in play if the narrative doesn't take the hero's perspective.

Saiga (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Jul 23rd 2011 at 12:58:29 AM •••

Cell from Dragon Ball isn't an example of this trope, in his first appearance he was trounced by Piccolo and had to absorb humans, than the androids, in order to become a bigger threat. His origins were also explained in his first appearance, and heavily foreshadowed.

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
Mar 30th 2011 at 4:12:38 PM •••

I would argue that the Joker in TDK fits this trope, at least somewhat, but its more complicated than the current entry describes. The reason he's an Outside Context Villain is everyone expects him to either be a criminal ( motivated by greed ) or a psychopath ( motivated by bloodlust ). Instead, what they got was a Neitzschean Knight Templar who wants to convert people to a belief in nihilistic anarchy.

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