Main Outside Context Villain Discussion

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01:43:40 PM Jun 28th 2013
  • While he is (arguably) a regular guy, Johann Liebert in Monster is so far above everyone else in cunning and knowledge that he doesn't fit in with the rest of the decidedly normal cast. Everyone is potentially a plaything for him to manipulate with total ease and kill off when he's done with them. Just being next to him causes major psychological damage if it he doesn't cause them to kill themselves first.

The boldfacing is mine, and this would be an example if it were literally true, which I highly doubt.
02:17:13 AM May 25th 2013
No Real Life examples? There were many valid examples just before the whole folder was deleted? What's the point of this? This page's RL folder couldn't even be controversial.
04:29:06 AM May 25th 2013
Yeah, it seemed weird to me, too. There's a few examples from history which fit this perfectly - the Spanish invasion of South America, for instance, and the Mongols in Russia and Eastern Europe. I don't think it's controversial to say that the people that they were *destroying* believed them to be villains, and as long as that was specified I don't see a problem.
11:47:05 AM Apr 3rd 2013
How come the Civilization series of computer games isn't mentioned, when it was almost certainly from there that Iain M. Banks got his inspiration for the concept?
11:57:18 AM Apr 3rd 2013
edited by MrDeath
For what concept? What are you talking about?

Oh, the page quote? Why should it be mentioned? How is it "almost certainly" where he got the idea, when it's a historical fact?
01:36:38 PM Oct 31st 2013
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I can't say anything about Banks' quote, but this is a regular occurrence in 4X games like Civ. At normal difficulty levels, a good human player can blitzkrieg an isolated continent with dark-ages technology (literally sending in tanks and bombers against cities defended by pikemen). At higher difficulty levels, it's usually the player who has to face such obstacles because the computer is a cheating bastard.
01:16:53 PM Feb 3rd 2013
I changed the laconic page. just so ya'll know
09:15:47 AM Dec 20th 2012
Is this trope a good thing or a bad thing?
10:16:35 AM Dec 20th 2012
Neither. It's a trope.
02:13:10 AM Dec 15th 2012
So what's the word on heroic examples? Obviously, different connotations, but the spirit of the trope could still be in play if the narrative doesn't take the hero's perspective.
12:58:29 AM Jul 23rd 2011
Cell from Dragon Ball isn't an example of this trope, in his first appearance he was trounced by Piccolo and had to absorb humans, than the androids, in order to become a bigger threat. His origins were also explained in his first appearance, and heavily foreshadowed.
04:12:38 PM Mar 30th 2011
I would argue that the Joker in TDK fits this trope, at least somewhat, but its more complicated than the current entry describes. The reason he's an Outside Context Villain is everyone expects him to either be a criminal ( motivated by greed ) or a psychopath ( motivated by bloodlust ). Instead, what they got was a Neitzschean Knight Templar who wants to convert people to a belief in nihilistic anarchy.
11:59:04 PM Jan 8th 2011
Cut this:
* The Germans in World War II for much of Europe, despite the fact that most of their technological innovations like the tank and the airplane were nothing new. It was just that no one had foreseen (well, no one who was taken seriously, at any rate) the sheer effectiveness of Blitzkrieg.
Because if this fits the trope, then everything fits the trope. The Germans, who had been living in central Europe for over a thousand years by that point, were not an Outside-Context Villain just because they had developed some new tactics.
01:44:40 PM Jun 28th 2013
I deleted the Harry Potter example for similar reasons.
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