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01:32:11 PM Oct 23rd 2016
edited by gozerian
Re the section Tropes that originated in this time period:

Just reading over this list, a few are standing out to me as having much older origins. For instance:

Affably Evil: this is a minor example, maybe, but Antinous from Homer's Odyssey leapt to mind. Also Dionysus from The Bacchae.

Anti-Hero: couldn't Achilles be read as an anti-hero, based on the definition provided?

Befriending the Enemy: In the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the oldest stories on record, Gilgamesh befriends his initial enemy, Enkidu.

This may be the wrong place to post, but I wasn't sure how to address this, since making adjustments to this page also necessitates updating the pages for older periods.
01:34:40 AM Jan 5th 2016
Crossposting this from the discussion page at Older Than Radio:

To the people editing this and also the other The Oldest Ones in the Book indices: The rules of How to Write an Example apply; entries should not be mere Zero Context Examples.

Also, tropes are patterns of storytelling; that something occurs in Real Life does not establish a trope. Entries like this
  • Mega Corp..: The various European East India Companies, with the first founded in England in 1600 and the second in the Netherlands in 1602.
are incomplete at best and incorrect at worst.
04:19:11 PM Nov 12th 2012

Removed this because it doesn't explain anything. What legend? What happened in the story? This example isn't interesing, useful, or even necessary valid.
06:14:16 PM Apr 16th 2012
Bad, bad title! Bad title!

The way this trope is named suggests "Older than Valve's Steam platform" i.e. prior to 2003. You need a different trope name friends.
07:24:40 PM Apr 16th 2012
I know it could be taken that way, but I just (like, this month) went through all the examples and wicks, and there was only one example of misuse from somebody who thought it applied to modern games.

Without a pattern of misuse, it really doesn't need a rename.

If such misuse does become a problem in the future, though, I'd probably take it to Trope Repair Shop.
01:46:16 AM Apr 19th 2012
Firstly, steam has been ever since water. Secondly Heron created a door opening device and a fire engine based on steam.
11:15:53 AM Jul 23rd 2012
I believe The Oldest Ones in the Book explains the naming convention at the bottom of the page. Short version: It means Older Than The Time When Steam Power Was Widely Economically And Culturally Significant.
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