First, please remember that it's Edit Warring to do this without prior discussion, and no one wants that.
Second, I think that the Ju-on intertitle would be better as a quote than as a page image, as How to Pick a Good Image guidelines discourage Wall of Text images (under "Things To Avoid"). If you'd like wider feedback, though, you can mention it on the Image Suggestion Thread
or open a thread in Image Pickin'.
That's exactly why I've started the discussion - to avoid another arbitrarily justified edit and to ask the other tropers for their opinion. I've also explained my reason to restore (for now temporarily) the image - I want everyone concerned to see what the discussion is about. Should a majority reach an agreement it's not how they want this page to look - I won't insist and even remove it myself.
Fair point - I can't disagree. The only thing to discuss now is whether the page is better with such not-so-great image or without any whatsoever. If I'm right it was the first and only image illustrating this trope, thus my guess is there's no proper way to do it.
Of course I'm thankful for your reply. Hopefuly there're more tropers who would like to add something to the discussion.
Regarding the Bleach example for Hollows that was modified and then deleted: Hollows are described as corrupted souls who have an insatiable Horror Hunger for souls and instinctively target their living friends and family first, although some of them buck the trend and end up Non Malicious Monsters. Although Shrieker doesn't seem to fit this trope by virtue of being evil in life, it seems that Hollows in general do. Thoughts?
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The trope is talking about a person who is murdered becoming something malevolent on the basis of their murder, yes?
Well, Hollows don't become evil on the basis of them being murdered. They become evil on the basis of their ghosts being trapped too long in the mortal world. If they don't reach Soul Society in time, their chain of fate degrades into nothing, triggering the corruption. What they become depends on whatever lingering emotion they have (greed, depression, love, hunger, etc.). The all-consuming soul-hunger takes it shape based on that linger emotion, but the point is that the gentlest death in the world can result in a Hollow forming — not because of the way the person died, but because the person was trapped too long in the mortal world after death.
The only example we have for certain where the nature of the death definitely created something horrible afterwards, is how the young child and Shrieker died. The child was forced into an evil servitude but did not itself become evil. The type of Hollow that Shrieker became was very much dictated by the nature of his death. It wasn't the serial killer bit that mattered. It was the fact that his Hollow form only killed by using the child as a lure — which a Hollow doesn't need to do, but which Shrieker needed to do to obtain eternal vengeance against the child that caused his death. He was no longer killing for his own glory (which is what he was doing in life), he was killing to torture the child that he blamed for his death.
If Shrieker is not an example of this trope, then there is no example from Bleach because Hollows (generically) don't fit the trope.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Point taken, although there are a couple other examples of people who got twisted into evil entities after spending too long undead with their Unfinished Business unaddressed. Tropes Are Flexible, so the Hollow example could be worth mentioning even though the murder bit is optional.
Unfortunately I've only recently noticed the page image was removed about half a year ago.
The reason was given as follows: "It's nothing but text, it's meaningless to anyone who can't read Chinese, and it's basically the same thing as the page quote."
As it was me who added it in the first place and I must admit I don't agree with the reason given and would like to restore it, yet I would also like for you to speak your mind, whether you want it restored or not.
For all who have no idea what it's all about - it was an intertitle appearing in at least 8 separate feture-length "Ju-on" films. It described the eponymous curse as follows: "A curse of those who died holding a strong grudge. It accumulates in the place where they lived. Anyone who comes in contact with this curse dies and a new curse is born." I believe it's the only instance in cinematography when such concept was visibly presented.
I'll restore it as it was, so you may see and assess, whether the page looks better with only a bloc of text or with the image. But should you choose the former, please refrain from deleting it and write your mind here or write me a message.
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