notreallyatroper: what happened to the picture?

Who said Char Aznable had a heroic sacrifice in the end? His death was because his Mobile Suit was destroyed, so he was killed when the man who beat him made a heroic sacrifice, and he got pulled along for the ride.

about using Beato from umineko as an exemple

i don't think Beato should be used for this trope, because it was all part of her plan(she says so herself at the end of the arc where she faked being good)

I've been wondering about that Greed/Ling example for a while, and I deleted it. It's not quite accurate, in that Ling had no control of his body during the period that Greed was more evil, nor was Greed himself really making a Face Heel Turn, since he had no memories during that time.

And while Ling does start out a lot more selfish, he's never a bad guy.