I would like to know why the page {{Georgians With Dragunovs was deleted. I worked hard on creating that page and it's very frustrating to see it apparently deleted. Yet the name is still on the Forces with Firepower page so someone clearly intended to allow it to be remade. I am new to TV Tropes, I don;t understand all the procedures yet, but I thought I had met most of them in creating the page. I assumed other Tropers would help to expand the page and other pages. So again I have to ask why was this deleted? Was there something wrong? Was it vandalism?
For the record: I will be recreating it soon. But I would appreciate an answer soon.
Thank You,
Str8taim
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Greetings,
it was cut because it didn't mention how it's used in works of fiction. A Useful Notes page needs to cite at least 3 instances of the thing being used in works of fiction.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Thank you Septimus. When I recreate it I will be sure to include examples.
If I could ask? I need some help indexing one of the other useful notes pages here, you sent me a message about it earlier but I'm still struggling to figure it out. I'm the kind of guy who learns through examples, that's how I figured out the nuts and bolts of editing by looking at the already written page through the edit window.
Can I index it through a normal edit? if so: where should I put it on the page?
Or is teher a seperate button I need to click on to add an index?
Regarding indexing, check out Useful Notes. That is an index page - the bulleted items are the indexed articles.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I just reorganized the page a bit to try and bring a little consistency to how predecessor states are dealt with on this page. The rule I'm proposing is that any states that are currently independent of each other (either de jure or de facto) are separate entries, regardless of shared history, culture, etc. (e.g. North Koreans With Nodongs stays separate from South Koreans With Marines and The Other Chinese Army does not go under Chinese With Chopper Support), but the armed forces of any now-defunct polity are listed as a subheading of the polity that now controls that territory (or the bulk of it as applicable) regardless of regional separatisms or wildly conflicting ideologies: So...:
-After brief second thoughts (which precipitated this whole chain of thought), Ossis With Osas stayed with We Are Not The Wehrmacht and South Vietnamese With Skyraiders stayed with Vietnamese With Kalashnikovs.
-Rebels With Repeaters has now been moved under Yanks With Tanks.
-Kiplings Finest has now been moved under Indians With Iglas.
-The Sound Of Martial Music has now been moved under Neutral Austrians With No Navy.
This is consistent with We Are Not The Wehrmacht and Nazis With Gnarly Weapons, Kaiju Defence Force and Katanas Of The Rising Sun or Russians With Rusting Rockets, Reds With Rockets and Russians With Rifles being listed together. To be sure, some people might not be entirely pleased with the South Vietnamese and Communist Vietnamese armed forces being listed together, or the U.S. and Confederate militaries for that matter, but one only need take a brief look at Kaiju Defence Force or We Are Not The Wehrmacht to be reminded of how quick most modern Japanese and Germans, including (some might say especially) members of their armed forces, are to distance themselves from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany yet those pages have always been listed together. For that matter, Tsarist Russia and the Soviets were on opposing sides of the Russian Civil War, so I don't think we can consider deep ideological differences a reason not to group entries for different iterations of the same country together on this page...
At least for the time being, I'm leaving The Glory That Was Rome separate from New Roman Legions (despite the obvious link in the page titles) because there isn't as direct a continuity between the Roman Empire and modern Italy as there is between more recent nation-states and their current successors.
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Shouldn't there be a page for the Imperial German armed forces? We've got Nazis With Gnarly Weapons and We Are Not The Wehrmacht for Nazi Germany and Modern Germany, and The Sound Of Martial Music for the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but nothing for Imperial Germany...considering World War 1, that seems like a major omission...
As for a title, Prussians in Pickelhauben, maybe? Or possibly Teutons with Triplanes? Though I'm not sure if referring to modern Germans at Teutons might be considered offensive or not...Teutonic is a fairly accepted and (as far as I know) not terribly controversial adjective, but technically the noun refers to an ancient tribe not the modern nation. On the other hands, not everyone in Imperial Germany was Prussian so the former suggestion is arguably something of a stereotype even if the terminology is more era-appropriate and Prussia *did* have a fairly predominant influence on the Imperial German military...
Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
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Should we do a sub-trope page about the military of Austria, and if so, noting Austria's neutrality and it being a landlocked country, should we name it "Neutral Austrians With No Navy" or "Neutral Austrians With No U-Boats"?
I was thinking about trying to get started on some of the red links again, when I got an idea for a new one about Libya.
Old Gaddafi used to be a pretty big non-Soviet, non-Saddam enemy before his overthrow in 2011. I remember seeing alot of Tv shows movies or even video games where the Libyan military made an appearance, so I think it would be appropriate. I was thinking of calling it Libyans With Launchers or something like that.
Now here is where it gets complicated. The Libyan Army of 2015 is not the Gaddafi army, although some are defectors that came to the rebels in the civil war. We kind of have a policy of placing former states below the links to the current one, such as with the German, Russian, or Iraqi examples. However the current Libyan military has not really been around long enough to get enough fictional appearances and I promise you will be hard pressed to find any pre-Gaddafi appearances.
So do we include all formations of the Libyan military in one trope, or do we follow the usual path and give Gaddafi's boys their own separate trope like with the German and Russian examples? If we pick the latter we could use a name like Brotherly Revolutionaries (name comes from the insanely long title Gaddafi gave himself during his rule). Given Gaddafi's atrocities, it might be best to distinguish the histories of Libyan forces. However I wanted to get some input first. Useful Note tropes don't require YKTTW, but if you know some good examples of tropes or fictional works that would apply here please post.
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